[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

This is just plain ridiculous

Right guys, enough is enough. I am sure we are all agreed that our faith is no joking matter. PLEASE remove that stupid picture from my profile. I didn't ask for it to be put there, and I don't want it to remain.

Now if you want to have a serious discussion about matters pertaining to faith, then let's have that discussion and stop this childish behaviour.

You are fortunate that I have a rather thick skin. I am a youth worker, and have met many young gay people who have been bullied and driven to the brink of suicide by name-calling and other puerile acts. Here is a question: in all seriousness, how would you feel if a young gay teenager came here with questions, and went off and put a rope around his neck as a result of how he was treated here. Is that what Christ would want? I think not.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

Speaking of heresy, let's find out what the catholic church has to say about your sodomy.

So what do you care about what Rome says? They're all damned anyway, right?

[Levi Jones]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

So what do you care about what Rome says? They're all damned anyway, right?

Of course they are damned, but they won't even condone your queerness.

How does it feel to be a pariah to an organization that regularly buggers children?

[Levi Jones]

Re: This is just plain ridiculous

Right guys, enough is enough. I am sure we are all agreed that our faith is no joking matter. PLEASE remove that stupid picture from my profile. I didn't ask for it to be put there, and I don't want it to remain.

Now if you want to have a serious discussion about matters pertaining to faith, then let's have that discussion and stop this childish behaviour.

You are fortunate that I have a rather thick skin. I am a youth worker, and have met many young gay people who have been bullied and driven to the brink of suicide by name-calling and other puerile acts. Here is a question: in all seriousness, how would you feel if a young gay teenager came here with questions, and went off and put a rope around his neck as a result of how he was treated here. Is that what Christ would want? I think not.

I'm going to merge all your new threads to here. You are going to answer the questions posed to you, boy.

You will no longer get humiliated in one thread only to start another. Your humiliation will be consolidated into a place where you can no longer run.

[A Follower]

Re: This is just plain ridiculous

Right guys, enough is enough. I am sure we are all agreed that our faith is no joking matter. PLEASE remove that stupid picture from my profile. I didn't ask for it to be put there, and I don't want it to remain.

Now if you want to have a serious discussion about matters pertaining to faith, then let's have that discussion and stop this childish behaviour.

You are fortunate that I have a rather thick skin. I am a youth worker, and have met many young gay people who have been bullied and driven to the brink of suicide by name-calling and other puerile acts. Here is a question: in all seriousness, how would you feel if a young gay teenager came here with questions, and went off and put a rope around his neck as a result of how he was treated here. Is that what Christ would want? I think not.

That depends, did he ask Jesus to Heal him of the gay and did he accept Jesus into his life before he committed suicide? I don't think Jesus would want him to kill himself before he's a Christian, so if that guy came here we'd have to push him as hard as possible to renounce his evil ways before he commits suicide, we'd really be in a race against time.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

Do you ever intend to explain how you know that you are right and all of those other people who read the Bible that way, yet reach conclusions contrary to yours, are wrong?

2 Tim. 3:15-17: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

So the Bible is able to make a person wise unto salvation through faith and to make that person perfect, thoroughly (not partially) furnished to all (not merely some) good works. Sounds like sola scriptura to me.

There is nothing there that says scripture alone is the key to understanding God. Indeed, when Paul wrote those words the Canon still wasn't settled. In fact, it wasn't settled for another 200 years.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Why is the King James Bible the correct one?

Of course not! Except for the Catholics--they've always been lost.

HAHAHAHA!!!!

EVERYBODY was part of the Catholic church until the reformation in the 16th century!!!!!

Sorry, but there were no baptists back then!!!!

[landoverlover]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

Right guys, enough is enough. I am sure we are all agreed that our faith is no joking matter. PLEASE remove that stupid picture from my profile. I didn't ask for it to be put there, and I don't want it to remain.

Now if you want to have a serious discussion about matters pertaining to faith, then let's have that discussion and stop this childish behaviour.

You are fortunate that I have a rather thick skin. I am a youth worker, and have met many young gay people who have been bullied and driven to the brink of suicide by name-calling and other puerile acts. Here is a question: in all seriousness, how would you feel if a young gay teenager came here with questions, and went off and put a rope around his neck as a result of how he was treated here. Is that what Christ would want? I think not.

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In several past posts you have been provided with an extensive list of Scripture that plainly, unequivocally, condemns homosexuality. Any common-sense, simple reading of these passages leaves absolutely no doubt of their meaning.

Your response, like others of the fluffy-bunny persuasion, has been to torture the plain-text language until it screams for mercy. The lengths you go to say that simple words don't mean what they say is both ludicrous and laughable.
It is territory already asked and answered.

When that doesn't work your tactic is to say there are other avenues than Scripture to support your position, but neglect to say what they are. I can only assume you mean the pro-homosexual rantings of the liberal "clergy", a phenomenon that has been in existence for the relative blink of an eye - in defiance of thousands of years of consistent Biblical understanding. Can you cite a single, clear statement of support of your pro-homosexual position by a true Christian church leader before, say, 1968?

Any belief worth its salt has stood the test of time. Your idea that God approves of homosexual behavior is one piece of rotten fruit, so to speak, in a whole basket of recent abominations: Female clergy, "liberation" theology, safe havens for illegal immigrants, the rending apart of many protestant churches (thankfully, not the true Baptist church), the ecumenical movement, and on and on. One can only hope this is a passing fad.

It seems apparent that people are waking up in rejection of all that you stand for. Evidence will be provided in November when Republicans will begin taking back our society, in no small part because of the immorality you champion and seek to legitimize in defiance of the will of the majority.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Cherry-picking Scripture

There is nothing there that says scripture alone is the key to understanding God. Indeed, when Paul wrote those words the Canon still wasn't settled. In fact, it wasn't settled for another 200 years.

I see. The Bible wasn't settled.

You are using atheist arguments now. You are seriously arguing against the same Bible you claim to follow?

I suppose next we will see the nag hammadi scrolls used as canon.

I suppose you will be arguing that James was actually meant to be the head of the church instead of Peter.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

The problem is Christian Rover is that you are opening up a can of words that can damage your faith in whatever else you believe in. Now, you claim to be a "Christian" (which you really haven't shown), but I'm sure you could at least admit that Jesus Christ is the savior, correct? (Or is this something else that has been mistranslated?)

My question is this: Why are you skeptical (and happily using atheist arguments) against the idea that homosexuality is a sin but will not apply them to whatever else you believe in the Bible to be true?

Second question: Do you believe the Holy Bible is the Word of God? If so, how could it have errors like you claim? How could people have been wrong about homosexuality for thousands of years then suddenly some gay pentecostals come along and say "Oh, they had it wrong"? Are you saying the Word of God is corrupt? If it's corrupt...how can you trust anything in the Bible? Why do you turn a blind eye to parts where Jesus said that we must love our enemies or that we should help the poor? Where do you get the authority to determine which parts of the Bible you deem correct?

Unless you are an actual atheist, posing as a Christian, in which case it's a moot point since you're already a Jesus hater and won't listen to anything we have to say. And if so, I suggest leaving because we don't have time for games.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

The problem is Christian Rover is that you are opening up a can of words that can damage your faith in whatever else you believe in. Now, you claim to be a "Christian" (which you really haven't shown), but I'm sure you could at least admit that Jesus Christ is the savior, correct? (Or is this something else that has been mistranslated?)

My question is this: Why are you skeptical (and happily using atheist arguments) against the idea that homosexuality is a sin but will not apply them to whatever else you believe in the Bible to be true?

Second question: Do you believe the Holy Bible is the Word of God? If so, how could it have errors like you claim? How could people have been wrong about homosexuality for thousands of years then suddenly some gay pentecostals come along and say "Oh, they had it wrong"? Are you saying the Word of God is corrupt? If it's corrupt...how can you trust anything in the Bible? Why do you turn a blind eye to parts where Jesus said that we must love our enemies or that we should help the poor? Where do you get the authority to determine which parts of the Bible you deem correct?

Unless you are an actual atheist, posing as a Christian, in which case it's a moot point since you're already a Jesus hater and won't listen to anything we have to say. And if so, I suggest leaving because we don't have time for games.

Well Rev. Jim, I thank you for your reasoned tone.

In answer to your first question, why need one influence the other? I'm not using atheist arguments, I just find the arguments put forward by liberal theologians on the point more persuasive. They are more in line with the Jesus Christ that I know personally, and are what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me.

Secondly, I don't like this 'Word of God', 'yes or no' approach. Such terminology only seeks to confuse. I believe the Bible contains a lot of truths about the nature of God, but there are also some errors within it. It was written by men, whose writings were often infused with the cultural and religious mores of the day. I have said before, it is my reason - guided by the Holy Spirit and by what I know about Jesus personally - that determines which parts of the Bible are relevant and applicable to today's world from those which are not. I think you at Landover are equally guilty of cherry-picking, but I won't go there, because I know you won't listen.

Great Big Love,
Stevie.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

Well Rev. Jim, I thank you for your reasoned tone.

In answer to your first question, why need one influence the other? I'm not using atheist arguments, I just find the arguments put forward by liberal theologians on the point more persuasive. They are more in line with the Jesus Christ that I know personally, and are what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me.

Secondly, I don't like this 'Word of God', 'yes or no' approach. Such terminology only seeks to confuse. I believe the Bible contains a lot of truths about the nature of God, but there are also some errors within it. It was written by men, whose writings were often infused with the cultural and religious mores of the day. I have said before, it is my reason - guided by the Holy Spirit and by what I know about Jesus personally - that determines which parts of the Bible are relevant and applicable to today's world from those which are not. I think you at Landover are equally guilty of cherry-picking, but I won't go there, because I know you won't listen.

I now know that you are an atheist troll. Nice try, kid, but when you claim to be a pastor, a homo, a Christian and are proud to follow only parts of the Bible, you don't believe in our LORD.

Jesus is hip to that, boy.

[Disciple Luke]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

I see you have acquired some new awards since posting your photo as an avatar.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Have you ever met a gay?

It is well established that prejudice arises from the unknown. We are always fearful and apprehensive about the things we do not know or understand.

So my question is this:

Has anyone at Landover ever met a gay person? If so, did you actually talk to that person?

Thanks in advance for your responses.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Christian Rover's own special thread

I now know that you are an atheist troll. Nice try, kid, but when you claim to be a pastor, a homo, a Christian and are proud to follow only parts of the Bible, you don't believe in our LORD.

Jesus is hip to that, boy.

What?? Let's get a few things straight here.

1. I am not a pastor, and never claimed to be so. We do not have the pasty system in the Church of England. I am a church youth worker, which means I counsel and help kids in the local area.

2. I am not an atheist troll. Just because someone does not agree with you does not make them an atheist!!!

And also, what is this nonsense about having to post on my 'own special thread'??? According to an "infraction" received from the Rev. Jim, I am only allowed to post on this thread. Puh-leeeese.... grow up people and stop being so damn infantile!!