[Mrs. Rogers]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

Poor interpretation stems from the fact that the reader is not reading the Book as it was intended to be read (through the lens of the Holy Spirit).

Oh, I couldn't agree more! If it wasn't for the lens of the Holy Spirit, I would view the story of Lot offering his virgin daughters up to a mob of rapists as a disgusting piece of misogynistic filth. But thanks to the Holy Spirit, I see the story as a rather roundabout commentary on hospitality. Glory! Additionally, if I did not have the Holy Spirit dwelling within me, I would be most unimpressed by the Bible's condoning of slavery, rape victims being forced to marry their rapists, etc. But those are GOD's rules after all, and one must use their Holy Ghost Spectacles in order to accept such rules -- otherwise how could we stomach them?

[Lisa H]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

...The Bible was written by God's people, for God's people. It is not intended for ignorant religious folk who want to feel better about themselves by worshipping a God they do not know...

How very righteous of you. You would much rather let people go to hell than have them read the word of the Lord. God gave us the will to believe in Him, yet would take away God's will for your own.

Jeremiah 4:22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

AU contraire, it is the literalist who are guilty of that. Constantly misinterpreting what's there, misapplying it, and inventing what's not there to begin with. Poor interpretation stems from the fact that the reader is not reading the Book as it was intended to be read (through the lens of the Holy Spirit). The Bible was written by God's people, for God's people. It is not intended for ignorant religious folk who want to feel better about themselves by worshipping a God they do not know.

If you are genuinely saved, the Holy Spirit will open your eyes, and you will begin to understand what Scripture is about. Otherwise, just keep reading what's there is black and white, and your foolhardiness will follow you to the grave.

If you don't open your eyes pretty quick it could mean the end for you You never know when that cross-town bus with your name on it is just around the corner.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Psalm 119:152 Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.

Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Of course it's probably not your fault
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

Oh dear! Seems like someone needs a lesson or two in Biblical context. The truth is that the Bible says NOTHING about gay, lesbian or transgender relationship. All we have are poorly translated passages which bear little resemblance to the original Greek!

I suggest you get yourself a copy of the Gay and Lesbian Bible, which might help transform your hate into hope.

So, you claim yourself to be Christian.

This means that you believe God is all-knowing and all-powerful.

You also say that the Bible is "mistranslated". Every version, except your homosexual "bible".

Therefore, you have one of two options. I'm curious which one fits with your bizarre worldview:

Option 1: God is unable to control the text of the Bible to make sure people read the words He wants them to read, since the Bible is how we know God.

If you choose this option, you are saying God is weak. You are saying the Creator of the Universe has less control over copyright than Danielle Steele.

Option 2: God knows that people are reading a distortion of His Word, and that their mistaken beliefs will lead them to eternal Hellfire. He either doesn't care, or enjoys misleading people so He may torture them for eternity.

If you choose this option, you must believe God to be evil. You probably enjoy self-published screeds like Malevolent Design: The Death of a Loving God by "Reverend AtheisTard". He claims, "Never before has a book so aggressively leveled the charge that a creator deity, if it were to exist, would be completely and unimaginably evil."

As one might expect with atheist drivel, there are no user reviews, no images, no excerpts . . . and no publisher!

So, which is it? Do you think God is a pathetic excuse for a deity who lacks the ability to make sure His Word is preserved, or do you think He is a sick and evil monster who wants to confuse people so He can torture them?

Wouldn't it be easier to admit that you are an atheist yourself and that you hate God?

One must use their Holy Ghost Spectacles in order to accept such rules -- otherwise how could we stomach them?

Mrs. Rogers, do you know where such spectacles could be obtained? I'm having difficulty with some of the teens in my congregation. They refuse to see God's glory in tape worms.

I first thought they needed a Suzanne Hinn-style "Holy Ghost Enema", but perhaps the Spectacles would be a better, and cleaner, choice. I just had my study the sanctuary recarpeted!

[Larry Lee]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

Brother Rodimer, You have such a big heart for the unsaved that you just don't see how far gone this one is. He's a sodomizer and just won't listen to your words of salvation through Jesus. And so on Judgement Day, Jesus Himself will weep bitterly as he drops kicks "Christian_Rover" into the bowels of Hell. There's nothing we can do except warn others away from the fate "Christian_Rover" has embraced.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

Brother Rodimer, You have such a big heart for the unsaved that you just don't see how far gone this one is. He's a sodomizer and just won't listen to your words of salvation through Jesus. And so on Judgement Day, Jesus Himself will weep bitterly as he drops kicks "Christian_Rover" into the bowels of Hell. There's nothing we can do except warn others away from the fate "Christian_Rover" has embraced.

I do doubt he will ever see the Light, Brother Larry, but if we could understand why he hates God so much that he calls him either vicious and evil (like Hitler's gay soldiers) or a limp-wristed pansy (like Hitler's gay soldiers), it might help us to lead other would-be atheists to the Lord!

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Christian Rover's own special thread

Going back to the original topic, I really can't understand this obsession some Christians have with the KJV. Translation methods have improved greatly since the 17th century, and I think God would like the Bible to be as meaningful and up-to-date as possible.

The NIV and the Good News Bible are excellent translations, but nothing quite beats the beautiful poetry contained in Eugene Peterson's 'The Message'.

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

What a load of absolute claptrap!

You are spouting hatred, my friend, and it is this HATRED that makes Jesus weep, not who they prefer to share a bed with.

Interesting that our Lord never said a word against gay people, and maybe - there is certainly some evidence to suggest this - Jesus was gay himself.

What will you say to Him on Judgement Day when He says 'whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me'?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

What a load of absolute claptrap!

You are spouting hatred, my friend, and it is this HATRED that makes Jesus weep, not who they prefer to share a bed with.

Interesting that our Lord never said a word against gay people, and maybe - there is certainly some evidence to suggest this - Jesus was gay himself.

What will you say to Him on Judgement Day when He says 'whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me'?

I think this is about the most profane thing I have ever heard. Why do you want to rape Jesus, after all He has done for you? He temporarily died for your sins and rose from the dead. He worked miracles for you. And you still view Him as an object of your pleasure?

You have got to be one of the sickest faggots out there.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

You are spouting hatred, my friend, and it is this HATRED that makes Jesus weep, not who they prefer to share a bed with.

Prove it, using Scripture.

Interesting that our Lord never said a word against gay people,

Jesus is God. God inspired the Bible. The Bible has a lot to say against sodomites.

and maybe - there is certainly some evidence to suggest this - Jesus was gay himself.

So now you're using made-up Bible verses to suggest that Our Lord Jesus Christ may have been a poofter? Well, isn't that special.

What will you say to Him on Judgement Day when He says 'whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me'?

We're way ahead of you.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

What a load of absolute claptrap!

You are spouting hatred, my friend, and it is this HATRED that makes Jesus weep, not who they prefer to share a bed with.

Interesting that our Lord never said a word against gay people, and maybe - there is certainly some evidence to suggest this - Jesus was gay himself.

What will you say to Him on Judgement Day when He says 'whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me'?

Nice duck the question friend.

Now would you care to answer Rev. M. Rodimer question:

So, which is it? Do you think God is a pathetic excuse for a deity who lacks the ability to make sure His Word is preserved, or do you think He is a sick and evil monster who wants to confuse people so He can torture them?

So how do you degrade the power and compassion of God to get your lose leaf Bible that you can toss pages out of at will?

[Christian_Rover (aka Danny the queer)]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

Nice duck the question friend.

Now would you care to answer Rev. M. Rodimer question:



So how do you degrade the power and compassion of God to get your lose leaf Bible that you can toss pages out of at will?

If God wanted us to follow a strict set of rules, He wouldn't have given us free will now, would he? The fact we have free will also means He wants us to use our reason? The Bible was put together by a bunch of bishops at the Council of Laodicea in 365. Some of it is God-inspired, and some of it most definitely isn't. God did not preserve a perfect rule book because He doesn't want us to be bound by the letter of the law. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life. The dangers of literalism are well expounded on this forum and within the main pages of the Landover Baptist Church. Incidentally, I know many wonderful Baptists who would profoundly disagree with the nasty, unchristian message preached therein by some of your brethren.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

If God wanted us to follow a strict set of rules, He wouldn't have given us free will now, would he? The fact we have free will also means He wants us to use our reason? The Bible was put together by a bunch of bishops at the Council of Laodicea in 365. Some of it is God-inspired, and some of it most definitely isn't. God did not preserve a perfect rule book because He doesn't want us to be bound by the letter of the law. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life. The dangers of literalism are well expounded on this forum and within the main pages of the Landover Baptist Church. Incidentally, I know many wonderful Baptists who would profoundly disagree with the nasty, unchristian message preached therein by some of your brethren.

So then, with your self serving, fallible human mind do you tell what scripture God was just kidding about (and please note I do not exempt myself from human fallible)?

Let us consider homosexuality for an example: beyond the Bible teaching us that homosexuals are vile and disgusting creatures deserving only death, how would we know that? We might look a homosexual couple and be mislead by their superficial kindness and affection for each other and not see the true evil of their acts.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

So then, with your self serving, fallible human mind do you tell what scripture God was just kidding about (and please note I do not exempt myself from human fallible)?

Good question. False Christians have long tried to use free will and reason to try to trump the Lord's revelation. The result is some 38,000 denominations, which obviously cannot all be right.

[Seth Campbell]

Re: Religion ABOUT Christ, WITHOUT Christ.

If God wanted us to follow a strict set of rules, He wouldn't have given us free will now, would he? The fact we have free will also means He wants us to use our reason? The Bible was put together by a bunch of bishops at the Council of Laodicea in 365. Some of it is God-inspired, and some of it most definitely isn't. God did not preserve a perfect rule book because He doesn't want us to be bound by the letter of the law. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life. The dangers of literalism are well expounded on this forum and within the main pages of the Landover Baptist Church. Incidentally, I know many wonderful Baptists who would profoundly disagree with the nasty, unchristian message preached therein by some of your brethren.

So you've created a Poofter God in your image and called it the Christian God? Why call yourself Christian then? Why not call yourself a Roverist or something along those lines? There is no way that you can be a homer and a Christian.

As for not following the letter of the Law, if we're not supposed to then why does God tell us he wants us to?

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.


Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.


Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Sounds like God wants us to follow the Word of the Bible to me.