[OneFailure]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Reelected? You mean one of our previous presidents will become president after Trump? Interesting.

I meant to say a new one will be elected. Sorry

[OneFailure]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

The poll is asking how long the Brexit dream will last. Thanks for offering your opinion on a different question tho. Also, Trump is capitalized while If is not, not to mention apostrophes and periods. Other than that - good post?

No the poll Is asking which will last longer. Its says in the poll and obviously it will be Brexit since Brexit will proceed. Trump however will be out of office once his eight years are up if he is reelected

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

No the poll Is asking which will last longer. Its says in the poll and obviously it will be Brexit since Brexit will proceed. Trump however will be out of office once his eight years are up if he is reelected

The poll is asking about Brexit dream. I'd say it already ended - what's going on now seems more like a nightmare.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

The poll is asking about Brexit dream. I'd say it already ended - what's going on now seems more like a nightmare.

Yes! It's a nightmare for the Remainers and EUro weenies seeing how much WIN the right-wing faction of the right-wing party in the UK is achieving.

The latest breakthrough is to ask Ireland to leave the EU to avoid having to solve the conundrum of the borderless border with Northern Ireland. If the Brits can only persuade the rest of the EU to leave the EU and form a union with Britain - let's call it the... European Union! - then the whole problem disappears into its own navel. British ingenuity! Don't you know they invented blowing and sucking?

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Yes! It's a nightmare for the Remainers and EUro weenies seeing how much WIN the right-wing faction of the right-wing party in the UK is achieving.

The latest breakthrough is to ask Ireland to leave the EU to avoid having to solve the conundrum of the borderless border with Northern Ireland. If the Brits can only persuade the rest of the EU to leave the EU and form a union with Britain - let's call it the... European Union! - then the whole problem disappears into its own navel. British ingenuity! Don't you know they invented blowing and sucking?

I must ask, Brother Toole, are you guys as tired of winning regarding Brexit as we are here on this side of the pond?

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Yes! It's a nightmare for the Remainers and EUro weenies seeing how much WIN the right-wing faction of the right-wing party in the UK is achieving.

It's impressive, isn't it, that UKIP and the BNP are achieving so much despite having no Members of Parliament?

The latest breakthrough is to ask Ireland to leave the EU to avoid having to solve the conundrum of the borderless border with Northern Ireland.

That's such an obvious solution that I'm amazed it wasn't proposed sooner. If they refuse to knuckle under, we can just blight their potatoes again.

If the Brits can only persuade the rest of the EU to leave the EU and form a union with Britain - let's call it the... European Union!

I think Mrs Thatcher deserves the credit for what was originally her official policy: A United Europe under British Rule.

[OneFailure]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

The poll is asking about Brexit dream. I'd say it already ended - what's going on now seems more like a nightmare.

I still have hope that the brexit plan will be fulfilled eventually as the supporters of the Brexit vote wont allow it to fail. The politicians will have to listen eventually instead of trying to stop it

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I still have hope that the brexit plan will be fulfilled eventually as the supporters of the Brexit vote wont allow it to fail. The politicians will have to listen eventually instead of trying to stop it

Based on the Brexit vote demographics, the more plausible scenario is that Brexit supporters will die out before any deal is reached, leaving the mess to those who never wanted to leave in the first place:

While the "Leave" campaign won the referendum with 51.9 percent of the vote, young people — the ones who will likely grapple with the decision for decades — overwhelmingly wanted to remain part of the EU.
According to data gathered by the British pollster YouGov on election day, a staggering 75 percent of people aged between 18 and 24 voted for Remain.
But this youthful bloc was outweighed by an even stronger force.
What pushed the country toward Brexit, according to pollsters, was a remarkably high turnout among white, working-class older people — most of whom who voted Leave.
"The young have lost the referendum and the old have won," according to Ben Page, chief executive of Ipsos MORI, another British polling company.
Sixty-one percent of people over the age of 65 voted Leave, according to YouGov's data.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

According to data gathered by the British pollster YouGov on election day, a staggering 75 percent of people aged between 18 and 24 voted for Remain.

I think this may be slightly misleading, Sister Basilissa, in that YouGov polls are notoriously made up of a self-selecting sample of people who choose to complete YouGov online surveys!

Only 64% of that age-bracket bothered to vote rather than stay at home in mom's basement, dressed as unicorns, playing World of Tedium or whatever it is they do down there. So, even if the poll were representative, that means that 75% of 64% of the bone-idle Generation Snowflake voted for Remain: i.e. 48% of them.

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I think this may be slightly misleading, Sister Basilissa, in that YouGov polls are notoriously made up of a self-selecting sample of people who choose to complete YouGov online surveys!

Well, we all know what polls are good for - the predicted landslide Hillary Clinton win in 2016 was the best proof that pollsters get their results by throwing a coin up in the air!

Only 64% of that age-bracket bothered to vote rather than stay at home in mom's basement, dressed as unicorns, playing World of Tedium or whatever it is they do down there. So, even if the poll were representative, that means that 75% of 64% of the bone-idle Generation Snowflake voted for Remain: i.e. 48% of them.

That is an excellent point as well, and people who haven't even bothered to go out to vote have no right to complain.

[OneFailure]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I think this may be slightly misleading, Sister Basilissa, in that YouGov polls are notoriously made up of a self-selecting sample of people who choose to complete YouGov online surveys!

Only 64% of that age-bracket bothered to vote rather than stay at home in mom's basement, dressed as unicorns, playing World of Tedium or whatever it is they do down there. So, even if the poll were representative, that means that 75% of 64% of the bone-idle Generation Snowflake voted for Remain: i.e. 48% of them.

I dont trust polls after 2016 where Hillary loving pollsters skewered results for her but again you might be right on this :/

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I love Jesus. He requires us to follow the decisions of Heads of Government knowing that He oversees what they're doing.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Different administrative regions have decided on different methods to determine Heads of Government and in some cases also Heads of State. Not everyone agrees with what has been decided. God explains it this way:

II Peter 2:9-10 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

We see challenges to elected authority from Godless wretches in these last days everywhere we look. It's as though animals devoid of understanding, made to be taken and destroyed, had decided to perish in their own corruption rather than acknowledge God.

Soon now these options will be nullified as Christ assumes His Throne with destruction replete forever. Every Christian is able to communicate Christ's Perfect Love. When unbelieving billions are ruined, screaming into death and everlasting torture, when all the stars fall down at Jesus’ command He will establish His Kingdom forever. Oceans will no longer exist but until then it's important to bring The Good News to as many as possible, whether they want to hear it or not & particularly to surf bums.

Petty squabbles will be gone: Jesus will watch those "on the wrong side" in their torment. Forever. Knowing that He could have saved them.......but they chose the wrong form of words. It's easy enough to understand but so many choose darkness

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

As ever, Sister Mitza, you make your point clearly but succinctly. Bless you: you are always in our family prayers.

The British House of Representatives is spending a jolly evening extending the Brexit dream by voting on endless amendments to a deal that has already been rejected by them (mainly because it was agreed by the hated Europeans). The only amendments that have passed so far are a proposal to reject leaving without a "deal", and another to seek alternative (but, cleverly, unspecified) "arrangements". Nobody knows what the second one means, least of all the person who proposed it, and none of it is under the control of the hapless British government. But they are enjoying themselves going "rah rah rah!" and it's keeping them indoors: the weather in London is typically grim.

On the bright side, the Irish are really quite annoyed - as are the Scotch. I've been told the Welsh are muttering rebelliously too, but nobody can understand what they're muttering about. Probably sheep.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

The British House of Representatives is spending a jolly evening extending the Brexit dream by voting on endless amendments to a deal that has already been rejected by them (mainly because it was agreed by the hated Europeans). The only amendments that have passed so far are a proposal to reject leaving without a "deal", and another to seek alternative (but, cleverly, unspecified) "arrangements". Nobody knows what the second one means, least of all the person who proposed it, and none of it is under the control of the hapless British government. But they are enjoying themselves going "rah rah rah!" and it's keeping them indoors: the weather in London is typically grim.

Yes Sister, this recent vote is quite the victory for President May. I'm 100% certain that the slim majority who voted for for "alternative arrangements" will all agree on what May will eventually present to them. Much like the Brexit referendum. They're a bit like alternative facts but with arrangements and not as many facts.

For instance, my vision of alternative arrangements would include Britain recapturing it's glory days and invading France, Africa and Sweden. And permanent austerity for anyone who didn't go to Eton+Oxford. The savings would go towards putting electric heaters on lamp posts to make it warmer but I can compromise on that. The rest is non-negotiable. So where's my Battle Bus?

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

For instance, my vision of alternative arrangements would include Britain recapturing it's glory days and invading France, Africa and Sweden. And permanent austerity for anyone who didn't go to Eton+Oxford.

Well, Dr Toole, I was home-schooled and would have to disagree with your last sentence there! Otherwise, that seems sensible.

Talking of Eton and Oxford, though, I don't suppose you read that awful commie rag The Guardian? No, me neither, but I was told that there was a MASSIVELY offensive article about the government, which included the following about Eton-and-Trinity-educated Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg:

At Wednesday’s event, the economist Roger Bootle introduced him as “a modest man … too modest, almost, for his own good”. To which the only sane reply is: lololololololol. If you had to distil into one personage the British people’s gibbering historical deference to terrible ideas advanced by low-to-middlebrow post-feudal shitlords who openly detest them, this plastic aristocrat would be it. Rees-Mogg is the logical end of whole centuries of barking up the wrong tree. In the most recent leadership polls of Tory members, obviously, he trailed only Boris Johnson.