[Bobby-Joe]

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You guys are so blinded by hatred.....You know, I wonder...

Do you guys say God hates most people so you can justify your own hatred?

If you remember, JESUS IS GOD. AND HE TOLD US TO LOVE. He, in turn, also loved.

Christ died for all of us, becuase he loves all of us.

Ephesians 3:18 -talks about how huge the love of Christ is.
Romans 14:15 -talks about how you should not hate your neighbor because CHRIST DIED FOR HIM.
Ephesians 5:2 - Reminds us that Christ died for us all through love.
1 John 3:23 - another reminder for us to love our enemies!
1 john 3:16 - Christ laid down his life out of love for us, we out to do the same to our brethren.

God created us with love, and he still loves us all. To say that God created people out of hate goes completely against his character.

Friend,

Were do you get this idea we TRUE Christians hate? We would not go to all this effort if we did not love people and want to help them to salvation. Yes we also hate; like God, we TRUE Christians hate sin and since we are not false, hippy heretics we make no apologies for it. However we since love we do what ever it takes to save someone.

Can you say the same friend?

Why look at that worthless Canadian harlot Undecided; Brother Salvation seeker is going to marry her and make her a good Christian woman. Then there is Brother Remy who we help to erase the blackened stain of sin on his soul and now it is clean and white. I myself spent last weekend in a remote location soul saving a Jehovah Witness who came up to the main gate at Freehold, peddling his vile heresy. Are these the acts of hatred friend? I think not.

[Star Finder]

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Reveler,

when you say

I look through this board and I see ratial slurs

why do you talk like that and just make up words that no one understands? I guess you black people do that all the time but you should not stink up these boards with your bad habits.

Thank the Rock that Obama is a clean negro and as least accepts some kind of overseer, in this case his false god jesus.

SF

[OnYourKnees]

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Reveler,

when you say



why do you talk like that and just make up words that no one understands? I guess you black people do that all the time but you should not stink up these boards with your bad habits.

Thank the Rock that Obama is a clean negro and as least accepts some kind of overseer, in this case his false god jesus.

SF

Use caution, Rock Worshipper, or we'll give you a bucketful of shiny new stones!!

[Brother Temperance]

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You may see this all as unfair, but you have to understand that our own sin has done this to us. The devil is trying tod eceive as many people as possible.

Have you ever hear dof the common expression, "the sins of the father." Well I think it rings true. In the bible, people have chosen to desert God and because of that, countless hundreds of their descendants knew nothing about God or knew a twisted version of Christianity.

Yes, this is unfair, but it is the product of sin.

I agree with you: God makes it very clear that He punishes people for acts their ancestors committed, and they had nothing to do with. That's God's will, and it's not our place to argue with it. I just don't see how that idea can be reconciled with a "free choice."

Woh there buddy. Wait a minute. Are you saying I have to tithe to attain salvation? I think not.

I already have salvation through Jesus Christ. And I dont need to tithe here ot maintain that salvation....

So how do you think that one attains salvation?

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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Those who live their entire lives without ever encountering Christianity are clearly sinners (Romans 3:23) and cannot be allowed into heaven without accepting Christ. On the other hand, I very much doubt whether they could be said to have made any kind of a choice, let alone a free one.

And we must not forget the vast number of miscarriages and abortions. Sadly, the little stillborn tykes will never get a chance to repent their evil ways and accept Jesus as their personal Saviour.

Psalm 58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.

Have you ever hear dof the common expression, "the sins of the father."

Yes, we have heard about it. God tells us in no uncertain terms what He thinks of this principle:

Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

The Bible also tells us that God's Law was carried out to the letter:

2. Kings 14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Chronicles 25:4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
Ezekiel 18:3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.

Did you hear that? As God lives, sons should not be punished for their fathers' sins.

Ezekiel 18:19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

How can you believe in free will - and yet claim we are to be judged on the basis of our fathers? St. Paul assures us that we'll be judged according to our own deeds.

Romans 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

It doesn't say "according to his fathers' deeds". Does it.

Let's finish off with the last book in the Bible:

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

It says according to their works not ........ Oh, but I'm repeating myself, aren't I?

[The Revelator]

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Let me show you two verses.

1 john 4:8
He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.

1 john 4:16
And we have known and believed the love God hath to us. GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love, dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Well folks. It's pretty clear that GOD IS LOVE!

Here's how I see it. There is a love triangle in the Bible.

First, we are commanded to love God. We are also commanded to love one another. Friend and foe. Neighbor and stranger. The righteous and the sinful. Then, of course, God loves us, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

John 3:16
For God so loved THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

Christ died for us out of love. I hope you all can agree with me on that. Here, Jesus tells us that GOD LOVES THE WORLD. Thats everyone in it. Even the ones who dont believe in Him he still loves.

Christ died for everyone. And since Christ died out of love, it proves that he loves everyone.

Romans 14:15
But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

the last part of this verse catches my eye. "For whom Christ died." This verse is basically saying, "If your brother is tempted with meat, you should not tempt him with meat, but you should be kind to him, because Christ died for him."

Christ died for all mankind, no one is excluded from his sacrifice. Don't you understand? This means no one is excluded from his love.

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Now some of you are asking, "How can a loving God send people to hell?"

God created us out of his own image and he seeks fellowship with us all. Sadly, sin entered our lives, and sin cannot be allowed in heaven. So God sent Jesus down as a sacrifice for us all. Whoever believes in Jesus can have their sins redeemed and enter heaven. God loved us all so much he sacrificed his own Son so we could have a CHANCE to get to heaven.

Now the rest is up to us. It's OUR CHOICE whether we want to accept the free gift of salvation. If we dont, and we die, we become Satan's property, due to our sin, and we end up in hell.

So God is not creating people out of love to send them to hell, he is creating people out of love and giving them the CHOICE to CHOSE to worship Him, or not.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

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Yes, He loves the world, but He hates the sinners who taint it and refuse to give Him the glory He deserves.

But again it comes to love, hate and knowing before we're born who is going to Hell and who isn't. We're given a choice, but He already knows what choice we'll make! That means He is allowing people to be born who He knows will choose sin. God could easily allow only those who will choose Him to be born, thus ensuring most people will get to Heaven. He doesn't do that though. He allows BILLIONS of people He KNOWS will reject Him to be born. He sends them into the world knowing exactly who will accept Him and who won't!

Let's put it this way. Pretend you have a child, and you and your child are facing a small airplane. There are two bags there, and it's entirely up to the child which bag to pick. One is a real parachute, but it's bland and boring, but will save your child's life. The other is a pretty bag, lots of flashing lights and a built-in mp3 player. But instead of a parachute, it contains a picnic blanket.
Now, you knew about these two bags before getting into the plane, and knowing your offspring, you know that your child will pick the flashy bag, and he or she is just stupid enough to think they can float down holding the picnic blanket. Once you're in the airplane, the child has no choice but to jump. However, you have it in your power to keep the child from getting on the plane in the first place.
So, knowing your mildly-retarded child will pick the wrong bag and plummet to his or her death, do you love your child so much that you will be horribly sad as he or she speeds toward the ground as you knew he or she would, do you hate your child enough to gladly watch him or her regret a very stupid decision, or do you love your child enough to keep him or her from getting on the plane?

God allows billions of children to get on the plane, even though He knows most of them will pick the flashy bag. He even allows the actual parachute to be hidden from many of them, or He talks them them out of taking the parachute that will save their lives (John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them). That's some twisted kind of love! No, it only makes sense that He hates most people, and only loves (and greatly loves!) those of us He knows will choose the sacrifice of Jesus!

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

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Let's put it this way. Pretend you have a child, and you and your child are facing a small airplane. There are two bags there, and it's entirely up to the child which bag to pick. One is a real parachute, but it's bland and boring, but will save your child's life. The other is a pretty bag, lots of flashing lights and a built-in mp3 player. But instead of a parachute, it contains a picnic blanket.
Now, you knew about these two bags before getting into the plane, and knowing your offspring, you know that your child will pick the flashy bag, and he or she is just stupid enough to think they can float down holding the picnic blanket. Once you're in the airplane, the child has no choice but to jump. However, you have it in your power to keep the child from getting on the plane in the first place.
So, knowing your mildly-retarded child will pick the wrong bag and plummet to his or her death, do you love your child so much that you will be horribly sad as he or she speeds toward the ground as you knew he or she would, do you hate your child enough to gladly watch him or her regret a very stupid decision, or do you love your child enough to keep him or her from getting on the plane?

God allows billions of children to get on the plane, even though He knows most of them will pick the flashy bag. He even allows the actual parachute to be hidden from many of them, or He talks them them out of taking the parachute that will save their lives (John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them). That's some twisted kind of love! No, it only makes sense that He hates most people, and only loves (and greatly loves!) those of us He knows will choose the sacrifice of Jesus!

What a beautiful parable, Sister.

We know that not the tiniest sparrow falls on the ground without Our Father.

Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

I can picture God following the mildly-retarded child all the way down, holding on to his picnic blanket. While the tard's plummeting to the stony ground, God will constantly be jabbing His godly elbow into his ribs, saying, "Next time, choose the parachute. Oh, that's right - there won't be a next time. Watch out for that rock. Ouch! I bet that hurt."

[SalvationSeeker]

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First, we are commanded to love God. We are also commanded to love one another. Friend and foe. Neighbor and stranger. The righteous and the sinful. Then, of course, God loves us, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US.

John 3:16
For God so loved THE WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

See, this is where you are wrong. God does not love everyone, as has been explained to you before.

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
Thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 5:5

The LORD trieth the righteous:
But the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Psalm 11:5

Evil shall slay the wicked:
And they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.
Psalm 34:21

And who sends evil? GOD!
I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

As for us; loving someone doesn't equal "not caring what they do".
We care enough about people to warn them that unless they worship Jesus, they will burn in hell forever.

YE THAT LOVE THE LORD, HATE EVIL: he preserveth the souls of his saints;
He delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 97:10

LOVE NOT THE WORLD, NEITHER THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WORLD.
IF ANY MAN LOVE THE WORLD, THE LOVE OF THE FATHER IS NOT IN HIM.
1 John 2:15

Christ died for us out of love. I hope you all can agree with me on that. Here, Jesus tells us that GOD LOVES THE WORLD. Thats everyone in it. Even the ones who dont believe in Him he still loves.

No, it is not, it would contradict all those verses I've presented, and a few more too.
Jesus has a parable for what's the world, read Matthew 13.
He likens the world to a field, and the tares (sinners) in it will get burnt up.

He doesn't love them, he compares them to weeds.

Christ died for everyone. And since Christ died out of love, it proves that he loves everyone.

He died for those that BELIEVE.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, but have everlasting life.
Jonh 3:16

Everyone doesn't believe in Jesus, thus they will perish.

Romans 14:15
But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

the last part of this verse catches my eye. "For whom Christ died." This verse is basically saying, "If your brother is tempted with meat, you should not tempt him with meat, but you should be kind to him, because Christ died for him."

Christ died for all mankind, no one is excluded from his sacrifice. Don't you understand? This means no one is excluded from his love.

No, as shown to you, He died to Save those who would believe in Him.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
But he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:16

Now some of you are asking, "How can a loving God send people to hell?"
God created us out of his own image and he seeks fellowship with us all.

WRONG! He does not seek fellowship with all:
AND WHAT CONCORD HATH CHRIST WITH BELIAL?
Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2 Corinthians 6:14-15

Sadly, sin entered our lives, and sin cannot be allowed in heaven. So God sent Jesus down as a sacrifice for us all. Whoever believes in Jesus can have their sins redeemed and enter heaven. God loved us all so much he sacrificed his own Son so we could have a CHANCE to get to heaven.

God already knows who would repent and believe in Jesus. So He knew He only sent Him for those.
Thus, He did not send Him as a sacrifice for everyone.

Now the rest is up to us. It's OUR CHOICE whether we want to accept the free gift of salvation. If we dont, and we die, we become Satan's property, due to our sin, and we end up in hell.

So God is not creating people out of love to send them to hell, he is creating people out of love and giving them the CHOICE to CHOSE to worship Him, or not.

He already knew who would believe in Jesus and who wouldn't, He knew we would choose Jesus before He created us.
So it's not really a choice, we did make a choice, but He knew what we would choose long before we did it.

He also knew who would be evil and go to hell, and He didn't change that because He hates those who are evil.
You don't seem to put much faith in His awesome power, friend.

The LORD hath made all things for himself:
Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Proverbs 16:4

[SalvationSeeker]

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Answering an earlier post..

I never said that the unsaved won't go to hell. They will be judged by God when they are dead. But it doesn't say anywhere that God doesn't love them. God loves eveyone on this earth. If they repent of their sin and believe on the name of Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior they will be saved because God loves them!

Don't you realize Christ died for SINNERS.

Romans 5:6-8
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the UNGODLY. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth HIS LOVE toward us, in that, while we were yet SINNERS, Christ died for us.

Yes, but everyone was a sinner before Christ:
He already knew we would choose Him, as He knows everything.
Thus He only died for those who would stop being sinners and become Saved.

Before we were Saved, we were sinners too:
EVERYONE who has not yet accepted Jesus is a sinner.
We were sinners until we accepted Jesus, and He is the only thing that makes us Saved, without Him, we would be sinners once more.
Thus, Jesus died for us Saved, who once were sinners, to make us into the Saved we are today.
He wanted us to come into repentance, and we did.

That's why it says: "WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS"

Jesus didn't come here to save the righteous. HE ATE WITH TAX COLLECTORS AND SINNERS. You guys treat sinners like they are th eplague, and you toss hateful remarks at them. But you fail to realize that those are the people Christ wants to save.

Mark 2:16-17
And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with PUBLICANS AND SINNERS, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I CAME NOT TO CALL THE RIGHTEOUS BUT SINNERS TO REPENTANCE.

Once again, He came to call them to REPENTANCE, so that they would be Saved.
We've always demanded that people should repent and accept Jesus, we simply don't fellowship with them.
We do not bless them, receive them in our houses, or bid them God speed..
FOR IF WE DID, WE WOULD PARTAKE IN THEIR SINS!


If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 John 1:10-11

God loves every single man and woman on this earth

You've been proven wrong already.
I will not repeat it, The Bible clearly says that He hates wicked people of all kinds. (For instance, just read Psalm 5:5)

Why do you pick which verses to follow, you hypocrite?
Why do you make God's commandments to no effect by your own traditions, your hippie doctrines created by men?

Do you remember what Jesus said was the second greatest commandment? THE SECOND GREATEST COMMANDMENT. Hmm, this must be extremely important, because the first greatest commandment is to love the Lord you rGod with all you rmind,body,and soul. So what is the SECOND GREATEST COMMANDMENT EVER according to Jesus?

That you should love your NEIGHBOUR as yourself.
Who is our neighbour then, well it is not the unsaved:


But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
Luke 10:29


And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
Luke 10:30-37

So our neighbours are those who show mercy to us, but the unsaved hate us..
And they would love to see us dead, they have no mercy for us whatsoever.

It's to love one another as yourself. (No, your neigbour.) You guys have lost sight of this commandment through your unfoundational belief that your race is better. I'm sorry, but Jesus was not white, according to his geographic location he was arab, like everyone else in that area.

Arab?
That alone makes your statement utterly retarded.
There were no "arabs" in Israel during Jesus time.
Besides: JESUS WAS NOT A MAN, HE WAS GOD.
Or maybe you deny that too?

So the two points I hope I made was this. GOD DOES NOT HATE SINNERS, AND WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT SUPERIOR. You people have been blinded by sin. You must see the truth.

Right! You only want us to love evil like you do.
While the Bible tells us to hate it. No thank you I'd say.
We rather believe God than you:

Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints;
He delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
Psalm 97:10

[H. Montague Worthington]

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I am so thankful that I have access to the brilliance of these esteemed theologians to give me irrefutable evidence-- the word of the Lord Himself--that I'm right to hate those that are different than me.

GLORY!!

[The Revelator]

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First of all. I'd like to applaud you for your responces. They were well thought out, well studied, and you even brought up a post of mine that I thought never would be answered!

But. We still differ on a few things.

Concerning whether God loves or hates, you say that I only listen to perticular verses, but aren't you doing the same? All my verses about God's love you refutted by saying, "God only loves the saved people", but thats JUST YOUR OPINION. It never says anywhere that God ONLY loves those that have repented.

Now...on to the meat of this post...

Although we can sit here and debate about if God loves or hates, there is absolutely no debate on whether WE should love or hate others.

John 13:35
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 15:12
This is my commandment, that ye LOVE ONE ANOTHER as I have loved you.

Romans 13:8
Owe no man anything, but to love one another: FOR HE THAT LOVETH ANOTHER HATH FULFILLED THE LAW.

John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE ONE ANOTHER; as I have loved you, that ye also LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

^ I love how christ repeats himself in this verse. Maybe he's trying to stress how important loving eachother is.....

Except for the verse in Romans, the rest were words directly from Christ's mouth. He is telling us to love one another. Not just the Christians. Not just the righteous. Everyone. One another means everyone. Obviously this is important to Jesus. He repeats himself several times throughout the Bible, because he doesnt want us to hate. Notice how in John 13, he said that to be his disciple, you must love one another. I love what Paul says in Romans. He says whoever loves one another has fulfilled the law...Wow, thats powerful stuff.

Don't worry though, there's more. Christ even went farther than that. He not only told us to love one another, but he has told us to love our enemies....thats right. OUR ENEMIES! (That definitely includes sinners).

Matthew 5:43-44
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

Luke 6:27-28
But I say unto you which hear, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them that despitfully use you.

Luke 6:35-37
But LOVE YE YOUR ENEMIES, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: FOR HE IS KIND UNTO THE UNTHANKUL AND TO THE EVIL. Be ye therefore merciful, as your father is also merciful. JUDGE NOT, AND YE SHALL NOT BE JUDGED: condemn not and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

Remember these are all quotes from Jesus himself, the Holy Lamb of God. He is COMMANDING us to love one another, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE WE DONT LIKE.

Christians, even if you believe that God hates, WE ARE STILL COMMANDED TO LOVE. Do not get off thinking that 'since God hates, I can hate' Nu-uh my friend, we are to love.

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Now salvation seeker....

I dont love evil, I love evildoers.
I dont love sin, I love sinners.
Why?
Because Christ has commanded us to!

Just because we are told to love our enemies, it doesnt mean we have to love sin. The bible actually says that we are to hate evil. But not the person behind that evil!

Brothers and sisters in Christ, you are commanded to love. Regardless of if you think god hates or not. YOU are commanded to love EVEYONE on this planet. Good or bad. Please, go out and do so.

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Now about white supremecy.
Salvation seeker, I do believe Jesus is God....so dont even go there. But your post still shows no biblical proof that white supremecy is biblical! And so what if I said Arab? I meant middle eastern.

[Brother V]

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Don't worry though, there's more. Christ even went farther than that. He not only told us to love one another, but he has told us to love our enemies....thats right. OUR ENEMIES! (That definitely includes sinners).

Matthew 5:43-44
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.

Luke 6:27-28
But I say unto you which hear, LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, do good to them which hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them that despitfully use you.

Luke 6:35-37
But LOVE YE YOUR ENEMIES, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: FOR HE IS KIND UNTO THE UNTHANKUL AND TO THE EVIL. Be ye therefore merciful, as your father is also merciful. JUDGE NOT, AND YE SHALL NOT BE JUDGED: condemn not and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

Remember these are all quotes from Jesus himself, the Holy Lamb of God. He is COMMANDING us to love one another, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE WE DONT LIKE.

Did you bother to read why we should love our enemies?

The answer is clearly laid out in Romans. (Unless you REJECT the teachings of Paul)

Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

That's right, the reason you say we are to show kindness (love) to our enemies is because it REALLY PISSES THEM OFF.

FRIEND, do you believe this to be true?

Again, I go back to giving all your love to the Lord, and sparing none of it for anyone else. By love, Jesus obviously meant show kindness. Say thanks to those who hate you.

Jesus showed kindness (and love, expressed as kindness) to the world for dieing (albiet temporarily) for our sins.

Jesus knows that we are to be hated, he said so in John. (Possibly the most feel-good of all the Gospels)

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

FRIEND, I'm hated by the world for being a True Christian (tm) are YOU hated?

YIC
V

[The Revelator]

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(Unless you REJECT the teachings of Paul)

Umm...if you look at my post, I posted a verse from Romans on there....why would I reject the teachings of Paul anyways? Why would you say that? Well regardless. I dont reject his teaching. I accept the entire Bible.

That's right, the reason you say we are to show kindness (love) to our enemies is because it REALLY PISSES THEM OFF.

FRIEND, do you believe this to be true?

No, I dont believe its true. I believe we should show kindness to our enemies because Christ told us to. The reason it will "heap coals of fire on his head" is because even though they were mean, you were nice. It's honestly better than revenge. They will be so shocked at your kindness, that I found several times they, in turn, will be kind.

FRIEND, I'm hated by the world for being a True Christian (tm) are YOU hated?

YIC
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I am too my friend, trust me, I have had several times where I was hate dfor what I believed. But remember. Just because others hate you, it does not give you a right to hate them. Many people on this board have openly said that hating people (mostly in reference to sinners) is okay. But let me tell you it's not.

[Brother V]

Re: Dearborn Baptist Church is at it AGAIN!

Umm...if you look at my post, I posted a verse from Romans on there....why would I reject the teachings of Paul anyways? Why would you say that? Well regardless. I dont reject his teaching. I accept the entire Bible.



No, I dont believe its true. I believe we should show kindness to our enemies because Christ told us to. The reason it will "heap coals of fire on his head" is because even though they were mean, you were nice. It's honestly better than revenge. They will be so shocked at your kindness, that I found several times they, in turn, will be kind.




I am too my friend, trust me, I have had several times where I was hate dfor what I believed. But remember. Just because others hate you, it does not give you a right to hate them. Many people on this board have openly said that hating people (mostly in reference to sinners) is okay. But let me tell you it's not.

If we read further in Romans 13, we see what Pauls version of love for the neighbour is...

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Is that the same love you show to the Lord? Just that you work no ill will to Him?

Remember what Paul said, and read it the way he said it.


Fullfill the law, work no ill will to your enemy, as you work no ill will to yourself.

That's not the same kind of love you would show for your spouse is it?

The love we give to the Father, is a different kind of love than that which we would give to our neighbour. The love for the Lord is an ACTIVE kind of love, as opposed to the passive non-aggressive, kind of love we would show for our neighbour, and to our enemies. (Actually the enemy love is an active love too).

As for accepting/rejecting the bible (kjv1611), in another post you already showed which parts you (through the church you attend) reject. If you just reject the gold and pearls on women part, it leads to what other parts you reject, that's why one (like me) would ask why you reject the teachings of Paul.

Does the world hate you as much as we are hated? Do you continuously have people bombard your website with email saying they hate you? Saying, "how can you say these things" saying, "Jesus wasn't about this"?

No friend, you may think you are hated, but you have no clue what it is to be hated.

Your fluffy bunny version of christianity, with it's "why can't we all get along" methodology, is not True Christianity (tm) it's some bastardized version of christianity, propogated by preachers who are only out to make their CONgregation larger, by spreading Peace and Love, instead of what 90% or more of your "religion" was founded upon.

I pray that someday you may learn to find the real Jesus, instead of the hippy liberal jew that you think you are worshipping.

YIC
V