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  • Hibbert
    Unsaved trash
    Under Investigation
    • Aug 2011
    • 5

    #31
    Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it?

    Why do I care? I guess it's because I'm a compassionate individual who respects life, and dislikes unnecessary and over the top cruelty.

    Besides, some of the things mentioned here might be illegal. You might think it's morally justifiable, but the law might not (depending on what state you're from). People who torture animals are often violent individuals, and it is well known that serial killers started off torturing helpless animals so the warning sign is there.

    And no, you can't "do whatever you want" to animals because I provided clear evidence where that isn't the case. In addition:
    “And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?” (Jonah 4:11).



    In addition to domesticated animals, God also watches over wild animals and commands us to do the same. In Deuteronomy 22:6-7, God promises a long life to those who will watch over wild birds. If we rape the land or the creatures in it, what will sustain us in the future? He allows for the taking of eggs, but commands that we release the mother bird to continue living in the wild and reproducing as He intended. In Job 38:41, God says that He hears the cries of newborn ravens crying to Him for food. Jesus went on to say that God supplies food for the wild birds and that not one of them falls to the ground without Him knowing it.
    Matthew 6:26: "Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"
    These small, but kind and practical commands written throughout the Bible give us good insight into how God expects us to treat animals. Surely we will have to answer to Him for any abuse that we have committed against them. God created animals for us to love and to learn from. In them, we see our own dependance upon God illustrated in their dependance upon us. We can also see elements of our foolishness manifested in them (who has not seen a crowing rooster and laughed at the comic caricature of ourselves crowing to all the world in our foolish pride at times?) In addition, God also tells us to learn from their wisdom:
    "Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest" (Proverbs 6:6-8).
    (Job 12:7-10 KJV) "But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind."
    Although worship of animals as deities is strictly forbidden in Scripture, we are to respect them as a part of God's creation. Some believe that because only humans were created in God's image, they alone are worthy of respect and care. Yet, the Bible tells us that even the angels were not created in God's image, yet we are to respect them! We are to respect all of God's created order, not to worship facets of it, but to see in it the same call that we ourselves have, which is to glorify God. All of God's creation was made with the ability and the power to glorify Him, each in different ways. In this, animals, as well as humans, share a common element with the rest of creation. Perhaps the words from these Psalms say it best of all (emphasis added):
    Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him from the heights above.
    Praise him all his angels, praise him, all his heavenly hosts.
    Praise him, sun and moon, praise him all you shining stars.
    Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.
    Let them praise the name of the Lord, for he commanded and they were created.
    He set them in place forever and ever; he gave a decree that will never pass away.
    Praise the Lord from the earth, you great sea creatures and all ocean depths, lightening and hail, snow and clouds, stormy winds that do his bidding, you mountains and all hills, fruit trees and all cedars, wild animals and all cattle, small creatures and flying birds kings of the earth and all nations, you princes and all rulers on earth young men and maidens, old men and children.
    Let them praise the name of the Lord, for His name alone is exalted;
    His splendor is above the earth and the heavens (Psalm 148: 1-13).
    Let everything that has breath praise the Lord (Psalm 150:6).
    Some people don't abuse animals, but go to the opposite extreme and place animals above human life. This was not God's intention either, but rather that He wanted to bless mankind with a wonderful world of creatures that we could enjoy and with that enjoyment, He also holds us responsible, as to how we treat and care for them. May we all take that responsibility seriously, as we shall be judged for the way we treat animals and all of God's creation.

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    • Redeemed Papist
      Former Mary Hailer who has seen The Light(c)
      True Christian™
      • Jul 2011
      • 10409

      #32
      Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it?

      None of your crazy scripture twisting makes sense. Leaving the mother bird to lay more eggs makes sense if you want to keep on collecting eggs and God's very wise to point that out.

      God wisely points out that we are better than the fowls of the air. What's your point?

      All the rest just says God is omnipotent and made everything. Big deal!
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      Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

      John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

      Join me in scoffing at backwards Muslims clinging to their beliefs in the face of the evidence!
      The truth about volcanos
      Sex and debauchery in public schools
      Faith wins over science (explained for even the very stupid)
      God Cures AIDS - GLORY!
      Desert whale bones prove Great Flood once and for all.

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      • Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson
        Pastor of Praise and Worship
        A True Christian™ Straight Shooter
        True Christian™
        • Jul 2009
        • 3890

        #33
        Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it?

        Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
        Why do I care? I guess it's because I'm a compassionate individual who respects life, and dislikes unnecessary and over the top cruelty.

        Besides, some of the things mentioned here might be illegal. You might think it's morally justifiable, but the law might not (depending on what state you're from).
        I ask that you give me a state who gives a rat's ass what you do to a rat.

        Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
        And no, you can't "do whatever you want" to animals because I provided clear evidence where that isn't the case. In addition:
        “And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?” (Jonah 4:11).


        God was ready to do it. He only turned His anger away because the capital of a massive empire capitulated to a single prophet from a different religion. Proof that it's true.

        On the other hand you have.

        1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

        Why not rats?
        Praise and worship with Pastor Will. Services at 9 a.m., 11 a.m. and 6 p.m.


        Contact me. pastorwillsampson at gmail.com

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        • Cranky Old Man
          Trying to out-Methuselah Methuselah
          You kids get off his lawn!
           
          • Jan 2010
          • 22378

          #34
          Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it?

          Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
          Why do I care? I guess it's because I'm a compassionate individual who respects life, and dislikes unnecessary and over the top cruelty.
          Then why do you torture us with your posts?
          5 Reasons why GOD HATES WOMEN!
          To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
          James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

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          • SUV
            True Christian™ Princess
            The Driving Force behind RA12
            Have at it, anytime!
            • Sep 2006
            • 11027

            #35
            Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it?

            Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
            Seriously,

            What the piffle is wrong with some of you people? Burning animals alive, cutting their tails - what the hell?! Just put the poor creature in a plastic bag and smash its head with a hammer, it'll be dead quickly. There's no reason to torture it and make it suffer unless you're some kind of evil sadist who likes to inflict pain on animals that don't know any better. How can you people call yourself Christians? I'm quite ashamed that there are so called 'devout' followers of God who do these kind of immature, horribly cruel things. Grow up. It might be a pest, but it's only trying to survive and it still feels pain. Don't torture it you sicko.
            What a girlie-Man. This is you: I'm surprised that Pastor even allowed you to sully our GODLY board with this nonsense!

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            • Liam the ex-drunk
              Former Mary Hailer who has seen The Light©
              Forum Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 403

              #36
              Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it?

              Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
              Gee your parents must be real proud.

              If it freaked you out, then why did you do it? That's disgusting on many levels. You shouldn't do that.



              God also disapproves of torture like this. Especially when it comes to dumb animals that don't know any better.

              My parents were proud. They knew we had mastery over all the animals Gen 1:26 and they knew that we knew what hell would be like for unsaved trash like you Rev 20:10

              Just a few of the examples I can use. The rats are/were tools of learning and again the bible is clear on wisdom and knowledge Exodus 31:3 and James 1:5-8 are just some examples.
              Matthew 10:34
              Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

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              • Liam the ex-drunk
                Former Mary Hailer who has seen The Light©
                Forum Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 403

                #37
                Re: Caught a rat in a glue trap. What to do with it?

                Originally posted by Hibbert View Post
                Why do I care? I guess it's because I'm a compassionate individual who respects life, and dislikes unnecessary and over the top cruelty.

                Besides, some of the things mentioned here might be illegal. You might think it's morally justifiable, but the law might not (depending on what state you're from). People who torture animals are often violent individuals, and it is well known that serial killers started off torturing helpless animals so the warning sign is there.

                And no, you can't "do whatever you want" to animals because I provided clear evidence where that isn't the case. In addition:
                “And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?” (Jonah 4:11).



                In addition to domesticated animals, God also watches over wild animals and commands us to do the same. In Deuteronomy 22:6-7, God promises a long life to those who will watch over wild birds. If we rape the land or the creatures in it, what will sustain us in the future? He allows for the taking of eggs, but commands that we release the mother bird to continue living in the wild and reproducing as He intended. In Job 38:41, God says that He hears the cries of newborn ravens crying to Him for food. Jesus went on to say that God supplies food for the wild birds and that not one of them falls to the ground without Him knowing it.
                Matthew 6:26: "Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"
                These small, but kind and practical commands written throughout the Bible give us good insight into how God expects us to treat animals. Surely we will have to answer to Him for any abuse that we have committed against them. God created animals for us to love and to learn from. In them, we see our own dependance upon God illustrated in their dependance upon us. We can also see elements of our foolishness manifested in them (who has not seen a crowing rooster and laughed at the comic caricature of ourselves crowing to all the world in our foolish pride at times?) In addition, God also tells us to learn from their wisdom:
                "Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise! It has no commander, no overseer or ruler, yet it stores its provisions in summer and gathers its food at harvest" (Proverbs 6:6-8).
                (Job 12:7-10 KJV) "But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind."
                Although worship of animals as deities is strictly forbidden in Scripture, we are to respect them as a part of God's creation. Some believe that because only humans were created in God's image, they alone are worthy of respect and care. Yet, the Bible tells us that even the angels were not created in God's image, yet we are to respect them! We are to respect all of God's created order, not to worship facets of it, but to see in it the same call that we ourselves have, which is to glorify God. All of God's creation was made with the ability and the power to glorify Him, each in different ways. In this, animals, as well as humans, share a common element with the rest of creation. Perhaps the words from these Psalms say it best of all (emphasis added):
                Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him from the heights above.
                Praise him all his angels, praise him, all his heavenly hosts.
                Praise him, sun and moon, praise him all you shining stars.
                Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.
                Let them praise the name of the Lord, for he commanded and they were created.
                He set them in place forever and ever; he gave a decree that will never pass away.
                Praise the Lord from the earth, you great sea creatures and all ocean depths, lightening and hail, snow and clouds, stormy winds that do his bidding, you mountains and all hills, fruit trees and all cedars, wild animals and all cattle, small creatures and flying birds kings of the earth and all nations, you princes and all rulers on earth young men and maidens, old men and children.
                Let them praise the name of the Lord, for His name alone is exalted;
                His splendor is above the earth and the heavens (Psalm 148: 1-13).
                Let everything that has breath praise the Lord (Psalm 150:6).
                Some people don't abuse animals, but go to the opposite extreme and place animals above human life. This was not God's intention either, but rather that He wanted to bless mankind with a wonderful world of creatures that we could enjoy and with that enjoyment, He also holds us responsible, as to how we treat and care for them. May we all take that responsibility seriously, as we shall be judged for the way we treat animals and all of God's creation.


                Oh dear a copy and paste poster - passing someone elses work as their own - http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=212

                Rev 21:8 - Think of the burning rats when you get there.
                Matthew 10:34
                Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

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