[amy_fothers, Sceptical Atheist]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

There seems to be little evidence for your butterfly idea. Jesus, however, mentions Hell on numerous occasions. Are you trying to say Jesus was lying?
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If I write a book on it, there will be the same amount of evidence surely
I'm not saying he is lying, so much as not only did he not write it, I don't believe he is in anyway a saviour or a God or the God. I believe he existed, as a man. He may even have been an unbelievable carpenter like his daddy, that is all however. The rest I believe to total pig swill.

Also, I like butterflys, but it could be moths I suppose. Although moths are ikky. Down with the infidel moths!

[EternalDeath]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Nobody enjoys beating his wife but every so often it's necessary. Look! I'm sure that on your journey to Hell you want to take others with you but my wife happily submits to me as God tells her to.
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I feel sorry for your wife it would seem she is in her own personal hell being married to you. She is a human being and should be treated as your equal not as a punch bag. I am not going to hell 1. because I am a good person who has never done harm to anyone or anything 2. because it does not exist. You however have serious control and anger issues which should not be encouraged by people in your faith but should be stopped!

[Bob4God]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Sceptical Atheist,

I asked you a series of questions on the previous page, but perhaps you missed them:

So all men are just evil and worthless oppressors of women then?

Even ones like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens?

Additionally, suppose one of those liberated women has a son?

What should she do to prevent him from growing up into a man?

[EternalDeath]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Sceptical Atheist,

I asked you a series of questions on the previous page, but perhaps you missed them:

So all men are just evil and worthless oppressors of women then?

Even ones like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens?

Additionally, suppose one of those liberated women has a son?

What should she do to prevent him from growing up into a man?

I would like to say that sceptical Atheist did at no point say that men were evil and worthless as he would be slating himself. I think he was saying that people like you are evil and worthless oppressors.

[Bob4God]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

I would like to say that sceptical Atheist did at no point say that men were evil and worthless as he would be slating himself. I think he was saying that people like you are evil and worthless oppressors.

That's why s/he said this then?

Luckily, our society has developed past the stone age and so women can quite happily bring up their children devoid of all male, and gladly religious interjection.

[amy_fothers, Sceptical Atheist]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Sceptical Atheist,

I asked you a series of questions on the previous page, but perhaps you missed them:

So all men are just evil and worthless oppressors of women then?

Even ones like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens?

Additionally, suppose one of those liberated women has a son?

What should she do to prevent him from growing up into a man?

Ahh, my sincere apologies, I did miss it, I have not yet found a way to follow a specific thread and receive notifications when a reply is posted, so I am having to refresh and I fear your post was eaten by the end-of-thread monster!

I do not think that all men are evil and worthless, nor do I think most are. However a select few certainly call into that category. What I would say, and what I meant by my previous post is that a woman is more than capable of bringing up a child without it's father. This should be the case if the father is abusive.
Many children are brought up to be wonderfully productive members of society from one parent families, and I have no doubt that some very prominent church figures have been in this situation (excuse the lack of examples, I know few members of the Church).
It is my stern belief that if you choose to beat your wife, then she should leave you, and the children will be better off without you.
Also, they will grow up just fine. There is no shortage of suitable male-role models out there. Just like the ones you suggested. I would be proud to have a child and for him to grow up being similar to Dawkins or Hitchens.

[Bob4God]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Ahh, my sincere apologies, I did miss it, I have not yet found a way to follow a specific thread and receive notifications when a reply is posted, so I am having to refresh and I fear your post was eaten by the end-of-thread monster!

I do not think that all men are evil and worthless, nor do I think most are. However a select few certainly call into that category. What I would say, and what I meant by my previous post is that a woman is more than capable of bringing up a child without it's father. This should be the case if the father is abusive.
Many children are brought up to be wonderfully productive members of society from one parent families, and I have no doubt that some very prominent church figures have been in this situation (excuse the lack of examples, I know few members of the Church).
It is my stern belief that if you choose to beat your wife, then she should leave you, and the children will be better off without you.
Also, they will grow up just fine. There is no shortage of suitable male-role models out there. Just like the ones you suggested. I would be proud to have a child and for him to grow up being similar to Dawkins or Hitchens.

So it's ideal in your view that fathers should have no part of their own children's upbringing?

Isn't that a tad insensitive to the feelings of the father, as well as children who might want to know their own fathers but who are deprived of that bond by women who are out to make a point?

[amy_fothers, Sceptical Atheist]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

That's why s/he said this then?

The All was a slip of the fingers sadly, what I meant was a lack of a male parent. I should have been clearer

[EternalDeath]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

So it's ideal in your view that fathers should have no part of their own children's upbringing?

Isn't that a tad insensitive to the feelings of the father, as well as children who might want to know their own fathers but who are deprived of that bond by women who are out to make a point?

Aha right, so, a fathers feeling are important but the feelings of a woman are not am I correct? Fathers who think like you should not be allowed near their children so they will not learn that beating women is 'right'.

[Bob4God]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

The All was a slip of the fingers sadly, what I meant was a lack of a male parent. I should have been clearer

Don't lie.

What you wrote was, "so women can quite happily bring up their children devoid of all male, and gladly religious interjection," and I suspect you meant every word of it, or else you wouldn't have chosen the words, which were quite clear.

[amy_fothers, Sceptical Atheist]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

So it's ideal in your view that fathers should have no part of their own children's upbringing?

Isn't that a tad insensitive to the feelings of the father, as well as children who might want to know their own fathers but who are deprived of that bond by women who are out to make a point?

No no no, I believe you have mis-read.
That is certainly not ideal in most cases.
Although, in the case where the father is an abusive man who has beaten his wife in the name of God, then yes. I believe that in this case, the children will be better off without him.

If you punch your wife, then you are being insensitive to her feelings don't you think?
I know that you would think that women should just take it, but luckily that isn't the world we live in anymore.

[Bob4God]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

No no no, I believe you have mis-read.
That is certainly not ideal in most cases.

Then you are absolutely the least talented person I have ever met when it comes to making your points known.

Although, in the case where the father is an abusive man who has beaten his wife in the name of God, then yes. I believe that in this case, the children will be better off without him.

That's where you're wrong.

What could be better than a man of GOD doing exactly as he's told?

If you punch your wife, then you are being insensitive to her feelings don't you think?

Not at all.

I am no more insensitive to her feelings than I would be to my child's feelings if I were spanking him for attempting to stick a fork in a light socket.

Discipline is for their own good; it is to keep them safe and chaste.

[amy_fothers, Sceptical Atheist]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Then you are absolutely the least talented person I have ever met when it comes to making your points known.



That's where you're wrong.

What could be better than a man of GOD doing exactly as he's told?



Not at all.

I am no more insensitive to her feelings than I would be to my child's feelings if I were spanking him for attempting to stick a fork in a light socket.

Discipline is for their own good; it is to keep them safe and chaste.

That could well be the case, I am certainly worryingly devoid of the ability to make my points concisely and coherently. Worryingly, that seems to fit in with the quality of many posters on this forum, you of course, being an exception
I can't help but think that doing as your told, if that message is to ''punch your wife'' is a little silly. I would not jump from a bridge if told to do so, nor would I lay hands on a woman.

I thought we might really make some headway, but it really comes down to the fact that you can say ''God told me to'' and get away with anything you like. I am more ruled by an inner moral compass, no doubt you believe this will steer my straight to Hell, but it also allows me to love a woman and never punch her in the face, to enjoy the mystery and study the beauty of evolution, to ponder to universe and it's creation. I wouldn't give up those things for a lifetime in your heaven.

Hopefully women who suffer under men such as your self, will be able to get out from under your suppression, and get the help they are entitled to from the state in order to live independent lives and bring up their children away from the poisonous teachings on this forum

[EternalDeath]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

I feel I am beginning to understand what you are trying to teach us. Earlier this evening I walked in on my husband masturbating, so, I hit him with my Bible, which I conveniently had in my hand after some serious study. I think this was a sign from God as why else would I have done it I mean I am not sick or anything.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: I hit my wife for the first time

Aha right, so, a fathers feeling are important but the feelings of a woman are not am I correct? Fathers who think like you should not be allowed near their children so they will not learn that beating women is 'right'.

It's like explaining mountaineering to a fish.

Look, feminazi, God only created Eve so Adam had some help and could plant babies in her womb.

Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

All these liberal wishy washy people ranting on about women's rights yadda yadda are flying in the face of Biblical values. I really do hope we get back to these laws and values soon.