[Talitha]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Words are just sounds represented by symbols that people choose to give meaning to. In the UK it just means a novice or foolish person I don't see how its offensive to anybody. It's just like how fag is another term for a cigarette.

Then you won't mind your new name.
I knew you would understand.

[EggNog]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I'm gonna wager a guess and say it's the fact that your username is "NigNog."

I don't get it either.

Words are just sounds represented by symbols that people choose to give meaning to. In the UK it just means a novice or foolish person I don't see how its offensive to anybody. It's just like how fag is another term for a cigarette.

[Talitha]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I'm gonna wager a guess and say it's the fact that your username is "NigNog."

I don't get it either.

Fixed

We do not tolerate Racism on these Boards.

[Crazy Christians]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

What made you think I was racist, and why would you call me a pig? That isn't very Christian-like I thought you were supposed to turn the other cheek.

I'm gonna wager a guess and say it's the fact that your username is "NigNog."

I don't get it either.

[EggNog]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Why should we bother, you racist pig?

What made you think I was racist, and why would you call me a pig? That isn't very Christian-like I thought you were supposed to turn the other cheek.

[EggNog]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Because more people are being locked up.

From http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/fedtyp.cfm :



But perhaps you would ilke to make the argument that locking up criminals does not decrease the rate of crime.

What we would like is that kids like you don't become criminals and thus don't get locked up. You do not come out as a heterosexual man out of such a place.

That just means the justice system is doing a better job of catching and convicting people after the fact they have committed a crime while overall crime rates are dropping therefore your argument is invalid. By the way doesn't the bible teach you not to assume things about people 1: I'm not a kid. 2: Not everyone that comes out of prison magically becomes gay. Also I'm happy that you addressed at least a fraction of my argument which is more than I could say about most people such as yourself.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

If you want to reply to me actually address the argument at hand instead of ad hominem.

Why should we bother, you racist pig?

[Crazy Christians]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

You are seriously claiming here that this violent game does not require you to murder? You played the entire game without ever firing a gun? Did you get stuck in the introduction and assume that was the whole game?

I'm claiming that it does not require you to murder (see also: the killing of an innocent person) and that it also does not TEACH you to murder people. I, in fact, played the game without killing anyone that did not attack me first. Which, last time I checked, is self-defense: both legal and not at all morally objectionable by any means.

Wars were fought in the name of God. Those people were murdered.

[GOD=life]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

... how do you explain that since the first generation of home consoles appeared in the 1970s the number of murders committed per year has decreased?

Because more people are being locked up.

From http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/fedtyp.cfm :



But perhaps you would ilke to make the argument that locking up criminals does not decrease the rate of crime.

What we would like is that kids like you don't become criminals and thus don't get locked up. You do not come out as a heterosexual man out of such a place.

[Crazy Christians]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

So we have two facts:

1. You came in here with a lot of negativity, calling us obscene names and insulting True Christians in every post.

2. You state that you played the particular game that we think encourages children to be negative, call people obscene names and insult Christians.

So what do you think the logical conclusion is here? If anything, you make the case, through example, that this game is indeed dangerous.

1. I called you brainwashed and retarded. Brainwashed isn't obscene, and one of YOUR OWN "True Christians" called me retarded.

2. I also play Rock Band. What does that "teach" me?

The logical conclusion is that conjecture isn't the right way to try and make a point, EVER.

[EggNog]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

If video games are making criminals how do you explain that since the first generation of home consoles appeared in the 1970s the number of murders committed per year has decreased?

The reason why I think the church as a group is so afraid and willing to condemn video games is because you as a whole view is as a threat and are afraid of change. If this is too hard for you people to fathom consider the history of the theater. When writers starting writing plays they eventually started to take on more controversial subjects such as murder, rape, robbery, and sexuality. The Roman Catholic church at the time saw this as a threat because it portrayed sinning. So the clever bastards that they are starting saying it was the devils work, and that playwrights and actors were agents of the devil. Looking back on that now we know that's just plain silly, we all know now that Shakespeare wasn't an agent of the devil. If you all are as intelligent as I hope you are you can see the parallelism between the condemnation of theater and the condemnation of video games by the church.

Lastly before you go off and say that I'm a heathen and "unsaved trash" I want you to know something. I grew up Christian and I know all your stories and gobbledygook so don't try to take some random bible passage, which you don't fully understand, out of context and use it against me. If you want to reply to me actually address the argument at hand instead of ad hominem.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Where, exactly, do these games teach you to murder

You are seriously claiming here that this violent game does not require you to murder? You played the entire game without ever firing a gun? Did you get stuck in the introduction and assume that was the whole game?

[Crazy Christians]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

It is a violent game, not even the creators of the game deny that, only you do.

Where did I deny that? I never said it wasn't a violent game. It even says so on the Content Rating on the back of the box.
I do, however, deny the fact that it teaches children (or anyone, really) that they should kill people.
I'll ask again: Where, exactly, do these games teach you to murder, hire prostitutes, OR do drugs?

[GOD=life]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

I played them.

So we have two facts:

1. You came in here with a lot of negativity, calling us obscene names and insulting True Christians in every post.

2. You state that you played the particular game that we think encourages children to be negative, call people obscene names and insult Christians.

So what do you think the logical conclusion is here? If anything, you make the case, through example, that this game is indeed dangerous.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Fallout 3: Another Satanic, Violent game from "Oblivion" crea

Coincidentally, nowhere in the game(s) are you forced to kill innocent people. Is it an option? Yes. Is it required to finish? No.

It is a violent game, not even the creators of the game deny that, only you do.