[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

I am also a homosexual and agree with the points "Gayandhappy" has made, if you ask me, why did jesus hang around with 12 men all of the time, think he might have liked a bit of penis as well. either way, it is delicious
- he loved bondage

who was a prostitute? did jesus pay her himself or did they take it in turns in between having sex with each other in a satanic orgy? sounds like a good night to me

Oh look. Someone is trying to shock the Christians.

[Morgana]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

There are choices we make as human beings everyday, but there are also certain things that we don't sit down and choose. Scientists and psychologists are spending huge sums of money and time looking for the cause of homosexuality. Trying to figure out why some people are gay. But all you need to do to figure it out is to talk to gay people. There may in this world be a handful of straight people who make a choice to live a gay lifestyle, but the majority of gay people would tell you if asked that they did not choose to be gay. They would not say that they woke up one day and decided that they were attracted to the same gender. In fact most gay people find the whole notion of choosing your sexual orientation kind of crazy.

Think about it. When did you choose your sexual orientation. At what point did you decide which sex you would be attracted to? If you ever thought you were attracted to the same sex, but then chose to be attracted just to the opposite sex, I would dare guess that you my friend are really gay.

Being gay in many ways is like being left-handed. For the left handed person, there are movements and ways of doing things that come naturally, but if forced to a left handed person can learn to act right handed. And once they've mastered the art of acting right handed, using their left hand becomes a matter of choice. But that doesn't mean that they are right handed.

There was a time in our society when it was not okay to be left-handed. There were many left handed people who were forced to use their right hand and made to feel shameful about being left-handed. There were even those who called left handedness a sin. Today there are studies that show that left handed people who suppress their left handedness suffer psychologically, are more apt to commit suicide, and have a harder time learning. Luckily today, we know the truth about being left handed and don't force our young lefties to use their right hands.

But today in America there are a great number of people convinced that being gay is a choice. This faulty belief comes a great cost. There are thousands if not millions of gay people trying to be straight. Gay people who marry, have children and find themselves trapped in a life of lies. Gay teenagers who try yet fail to be straight and end up killing themselves.

As human beings we all have free will. When it comes to being gay there are choices that gay people make. A gay person can choose to be honest and express their same sex attraction or to be dishonest and live a lie. The can choose to keep their sexual orientation a secret or they can choose to be both open and honest.

what i am trying to say is why do people see an issue with gays? is it better for us gays (yes i am gay I'm not ashamed to admit it) to just act straight.
where in the bible does it say that i am going to hell for being gay? their is nothing wrong with it. love is love be it gay or straight and all love is equal. so don't judge me for my sexuality.

Actually I will tell you when you chose to be gay....the time in your life you were sexually abused by someone else.

I don't mean to sound harsh like the rest of them here but this is more to the point and true. Most homosexuals were sexually abused at children. In fact, all homosexuals reported being raped or molested as children at some point.

I even know of one friend who while in high school was viciously raped at the local mall. Do I believe her rape lead to her being a lesbian now? Yes I do. She never got over that rape. In fact that rape almost killed her! (he left her for dead). I believe for her not to be a lesbian after that rape would have taken a lot of professional rape counseling. I do not know if she ever received it. I only know what the rape did to her mentally. She was never the same.

I have spoken to a lot of people who were sexually abused at children and what it does to them. It messes with their minds. One man said to me "I know I am not a homosexual but I still have these thoughts in my head". This man was raped by his own father at age 8!


Now you don't have to answer on this thread....and I suggest you do not. I beg the question however....at what age were you sexually molested/raped? Go get help for that then ask yourself..."am I really a homosexual or is this just me needing help for the trauma I went through when I was molested/raped?"
Homosexuality may just be a symptom of sexual abuse, and you are not treating the disease. Get the real cure!

[Meek and Humble]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Now you don't have to answer on this thread....and I suggest you do not. I beg the question however....at what age were you sexually molested/raped? Go get help for that then ask yourself..."am I really a homosexual or is this just me needing help for the trauma I went through when I was molested/raped?"
Homosexuality may just be a symptom of sexual abuse, and you are not treating the disease. Get the real cure!

Nonsense. Homosexuality is NOT a disease! It is a CURSE from GOD, against sinners who turn their backs on Him!

We will NOT accept science of these forums, woman! Only the Word of God!

[Sly Black Male]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Too long, didn't read.

SCRIPTURE to back up the preposterous claim in the title of this ridiculous thread! PROVE your ABSURD PROCLAMATION using GOD'S WORD!

Considering God doesn't exist that might prove to be a bit difficult

[Didymus Much]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Considering God doesn't exist that might prove to be a bit difficult

Proving that God doesn't exist might be a little bit impossible.

[Titus Templeton]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Considering God doesn't exist that might prove to be a bit difficult

Why you say that? The bible is real, i hold it in my hands and god wrote it. How stupid can you be to believe he doesnt exist.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Considering God doesn't exist that might prove to be a bit difficult

PROVE He doesn't' exist using the Bible!

[Morgana]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Nonsense. Homosexuality is NOT a disease! It is a CURSE from GOD, against sinners who turn their backs on Him!

We will NOT accept science of these forums, woman! Only the Word of God!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1034938/posts?q=1&;page=1

Child Abuse
41. The Washington Times reported that 8 out of every 10 homosexuals court-martialed by the U.S. Army for sexual misconduct between 1898 and the fall of 1993 had engaged in sexual assaults against their victims. Of these 102 assault cases, nearly half involved the molestation of children. (Dennis A. Wheeler, "The Legacy of Sodom," World News Digest, October 19, 1993)
42. The 1995 Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance found that gay, lesbian, and bisexual orientation was associated with having had sexual intercourse before the age of 13, with having four or more partners in a lifetime, and with having experienced sexual contact against one’s will. (R. Garofalo et al., "The Association between Health Risk Behaviors and Sexual Orientation Among a School-based Sample of Adolescents," Pediatrics 101 [1998]: 895-902.)
43. A study of 425 homosexual males, ages 17 to 22, reported that 41.4% reported an occasion of forced sex. Seventy-nine of the boys reported beginning anal sex with men when they were ages 3 to 14. Of these, 15.2% were already HIV-positive. (Lemp, G., Hirozawa, A., Givertz, D., Nieri, G., Anderson, L., Linegren, M., Janssen, R., Katx, M. (1994) Seroprevalence of HIV and Risk Behaviors Among Young Homosexual and Bisexual Men. Journal of the American Medical Association. 272, 6: 449:454.)
44. "29% of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6% of adult children of heterosexual parents. Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50." (P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772)
45. "Individuals from 1% to 3% of the population that are sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children." (Timothy J. Dailey, Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, http://www.frc.org/get/is02e3.cfm)
46. Researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young report data showing that 73% of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16-19 years of age or younger. (Karla Jay and Allen Young, The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275)
47. While many homosexuals do not seek out young sexual partners, evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of homosexual men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners. (Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," p. 73)
48. "Incest was more common among bisexuals and homosexuals of both sexes" than among heterosexuals. While less than 0.8% of heterosexual males reported have had sex with a brother, 12% of homosexuals reported having had sex with at least one brother. (Study of more than 9,100 adults in U.S. metropolitan areas) (Paul Cameron, and Kirk Cameron "Does Incest Cause Homosexuality?" Psychological Reports. Vol. 76, Number . , 1995. Page(s) 611-621)
49. A study of male child sex offenders found that 14% targeted only males, and 28% chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42% of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation. (Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 581)
50. A study in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that homosexual men are attracted to young males. The study compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, "all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories," which included males as young as age 15. (Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," p. 73)



52. In a 1999 Journal of Homosexuality, author Helmut Graupner claims: "Man/boy and woman/girl relations without doubt are same-sex relations and they do constitute an aspect of gay and lesbian life." Graupner argues that, as such, consensual sexual relations between adult homosexuals and youths as young as fourteen qualifies as a "gay rights issue." (Helmut Graupner, "Love Versus Abuse: Crossgenerational Sexual Relations of Minors: A Gay Rights Issue?" Journal of Homosexuality 37 (1999): 23, 26)
53. The Archives of Sexual Behavior reports: "One of the most salient findings of this study is that 46% of homosexual men and 22% of homosexual women reported having been molested by a person of the same gender. This contrasts to only 7% of heterosexual men and 1% of heterosexual women reporting having been molested by a person of the same gender." (Marie, E. Tomeo, et al., "Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons," Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539)
54. A study of 279 homosexual/bisexual men with AIDS and control patients reported: "More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years." (Harry W. Haverkos, et al., "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501)
55. Noted child sex abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likely to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had had such an experience . . . Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences." (Bill Watkins & Arnon Bentovim, "The Sexual Abuse of Male Children and Adolescents: A Review of Current Research," Journal of Child Psychiatry 33 (1992); in Byrgen Finkelman, Sexual Abuse (New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316)
56. A study in the International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology found: "In the case of childhood sexual experiences prior to the age of fourteen, 40% (of the pedophile sample) reported that they had engaged 'very often' in sexual activity with an adult, with 28% stating that this type of activity had occurred 'sometimes.'" (Gary A. Sawle, Jon Kear-Colwell, "Adult Attachment Style and Pedophilia: A Developmental Perspective," International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 45 (February 2001): 6)
57. A National Institute of Justice report states that "the odds that a childhood sexual abuse victim will be arrested as an adult for any sex crime is 4.7 times higher than for people . . . who experienced no victimization as children." (Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences," Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief, (March 1995): 6)
58. A Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had been victims of contact sexual abuse as a child." (Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 582)



You know what HB.....When the facts are against the homos....why would you ever argue with them???? That is stupid.

[Samuel Coleridge]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-...ts?q=1&;page=1

Child Abuse
41. The Washington Times reported that 8 out of every 10 homosexuals court-martialed by the U.S. Army for sexual misconduct between 1898 and the fall of 1993 had engaged in sexual assaults against their victims. Of these 102 assault cases, nearly half involved the molestation of children. (Dennis A. Wheeler, "The Legacy of Sodom," World News Digest, October 19, 1993)

The author is claiming that 8 out 10 charges for sexual misconduct in the army were for rape? Stop the presses! Rapists rape people?

42. The 1995 Massachusetts Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance found that gay, lesbian, and bisexual orientation was associated with having had sexual intercourse before the age of 13, with having four or more partners in a lifetime, and with having experienced sexual contact against one’s will. (R. Garofalo et al., "The Association between Health Risk Behaviors and Sexual Orientation Among a School-based Sample of Adolescents," Pediatrics 101 [1998]: 895-902.)

How highly associated? Associated how?

43. A study of 425 homosexual males, ages 17 to 22, reported that 41.4% reported an occasion of forced sex. Seventy-nine of the boys reported beginning anal sex with men when they were ages 3 to 14. Of these, 15.2% were already HIV-positive. (Lemp, G., Hirozawa, A., Givertz, D., Nieri, G., Anderson, L., Linegren, M., Janssen, R., Katx, M. (1994) Seroprevalence of HIV and Risk Behaviors Among Young Homosexual and Bisexual Men. Journal of the American Medical Association. 272, 6: 449:454.)

You mean there was a high rate of rape and HIV among men who hung around in gay clubs in the San Francisco/Berkley area in the mid 1990's?

Read your source, morona.

44. "29% of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6% of adult children of heterosexual parents. Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50." (P. Cameron and K. Cameron, "Homosexual Parents," Adolescence 31 (1996): 772)

A critical review of the Cameron group's sampling techniques, survey methodology, and interpretation of results reveals at least six serious errors in their study. The presence of even one of these flaws would be sufficient to cast serious doubts on the legitimacy of any study's results. In combination, they make the data virtually meaningless.

45. "Individuals from 1% to 3% of the population that are sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children." (Timothy J. Dailey, Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, http://www.frc.org/get/is02e3.cfm)

Timothy J. Dailey, PhD, Senior Research Fellow at the Center for Marriage and Family Studies of the Family Research Council.

No bias there. No m'aam.

Because most child molesters are men, (90%), some have argued that 'homosexual' child abuse is widespread and that homosexuals abuse children at a rate higher than their proportion of the general population, which is somewhere around 3 to 8 percent of the population. Such claims are based on the false belief that men who sexually abuse boys are homosexual. In fact, [/b]the overwhelming majority of men who sexually abuse children live their lives as heterosexual men[/B]...

46. Researchers Karla Jay and Allen Young report data showing that 73% of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16-19 years of age or younger. (Karla Jay and Allen Young, The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275)

I wonder what the percentage of heterosexuals was who had sex with someone between the age of 16-19 in 1979.

Notice the way the OP neglects to qualify if they were or close to the same age at the time.

47. While many homosexuals do not seek out young sexual partners, evidence indicates that disproportionate numbers of homosexual men seek adolescent males or boys as sexual partners. (Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," p. 73)

Based on the belief that if an adult molests a boy, he is homosexual. That is most often times not the case.

48. "Incest was more common among bisexuals and homosexuals of both sexes" than among heterosexuals. While less than 0.8% of heterosexual males reported have had sex with a brother, 12% of homosexuals reported having had sex with at least one brother. (Study of more than 9,100 adults in U.S. metropolitan areas) (Paul Cameron, and Kirk Cameron "Does Incest Cause Homosexuality?" Psychological Reports. Vol. 76, Number . , 1995. Page(s) 611-621)

If the guy from Growing Pains working for the Family Research Council asking "Does Incest Cause Homosexuality?" says it's true, it must be.

This survey is complete horse shit. Everyone knows girls are more likely to be molested by a family member. The Camerons have this at 7% for boys and 3% for girls.

Cameron has already been shown to be a shyster in his methodologies.

49. A study of male child sex offenders found that 14% targeted only males, and 28% chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42% of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation. (Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 581)

14% of child molesters targeted boys only? That's really the point you want to make?

50. A study in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that homosexual men are attracted to young males. The study compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, "all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories," which included males as young as age 15. (Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, "Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women," p. 73)

I would tear this down as well, but they want $34 to download it. I would love to see the rates among heterosexuals.

[SIZE=2]52. In a 1999 Journal of Homosexuality, author Helmut Graupner claims: "Man/boy and woman/girl relations without doubt are same-sex relations and they do constitute an aspect of gay and lesbian life." Graupner argues that, as such, consensual sexual relations between adult homosexuals and youths as young as fourteen qualifies as a "gay rights issue."

When back woods redneck white trash do it, it is an issue of the sanctity of marriage and religious rights.

54. A study of 279 homosexual/bisexual men with AIDS and control patients reported: "More than half of both case and control patients reported a sexual act with a male by age 16 years, approximately 20% by age 10 years." (Harry W. Haverkos, et al., "The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior," The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501)

I wonder what the statistics are among heterosexuals with AIDS?

55. Noted child sex abuse expert David Finkelhor found that "boys victimized by older men were over four times more likely to be currently engaged in homosexual activity than were non-victims. The finding applied to nearly half the boys who had had such an experience . . . Further, the adolescents themselves often linked their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences." (Bill Watkins & Arnon Bentovim, "The Sexual Abuse of Male Children and Adolescents: A Review of Current Research," Journal of Child Psychiatry 33 (1992); in Byrgen Finkelman, Sexual Abuse (New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 316)

56. A study in the International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology found: "In the case of childhood sexual experiences prior to the age of fourteen, 40% (of the pedophile sample) reported that they had engaged 'very often' in sexual activity with an adult, with 28% stating that this type of activity had occurred 'sometimes.'" (Gary A. Sawle, Jon Kear-Colwell, "Adult Attachment Style and Pedophilia: A Developmental Perspective," International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 45 (February 2001): 6)

57. A National Institute of Justice report states that "the odds that a childhood sexual abuse victim will be arrested as an adult for any sex crime is 4.7 times higher than for people . . . who experienced no victimization as children." (Cathy Spatz Widom, "Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse - Later Criminal Consequences," Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief, (March 1995): 6)
[SIZE=2]58. A Child Abuse and Neglect study found that 59% of male child sex offenders had been victims of contact sexual abuse as a child." (Michele Elliott, "Child Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us," Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 582)

People who are abused abuse others? Again, stop the presses! Your freeperville copy paste stinks to the pits of hell.

[Lisa H]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Homosexuls are dangerous people and molest boys. Watch this video to find out the truth. Be warned the information can be very shocking

[Titus Templeton]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

After seeing this, im a little bit upset and angry. If i see a homer near my sons i will send him to hell !

[Morgana]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

How dare, HOW DARE you try to make it sound like I'M supporting homosexuals! You are the one doing that, by denying the plain Word of God in favor of "facts"! This is a CHRISTIAN forum! We don't speak about facts. You tried facts, and that liberal Coleridge shred it to pieces!

No, we should deal with GOD! What God says on the subject. ROMANS CHAPTER 1, ma'am. READ IT! Homosexuality is a CURSE sent by GOD to condemn SINNERS!

Your mollycoddling of sodomites, telling them it's not their fault they are that way, that it's because they were "abused", that they are innocent victims of a disease - that's BLASPHEMY! Their behavior is SIN! It should be CONDEMNED! They should be condemned! Not TREATED! Rebuked! Outcast! There is no cure, except repentance. Rape does not cause it, turning your back on God does! Saying otherwise is just a step away from marching along in a pride parade!!!

Watch your mouth when you speak to me! Satan get behind me! I am presenting facts that support God's Word not facts against it!!! Are you this retarded? Sometimes Science supports the Bible/God's word...or did you not know this? Did you not know that there are Scientist that are Christians? When the facts support the Word of God it would be a good idea to Praise Jesus and use them...after all who do you think sent it?

[zhoppa.]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Wait, what? People are born gay, so their fate is already sealed the moment they are born? They are destined for Hell already? :S

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Wait, what? People are born gay, so their fate is already sealed the moment they are born? They are destined for Hell already? :S

No they're not, fag-enabler/faggot yourself. Fags only choose to sodomize eachother because they hate God and love evil.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: homosexuality, it IS okay!

Wait, what? People are born gay, so their fate is already sealed the moment they are born? They are destined for Hell already? :S

No they are not born gay, it's a lifestyle choice. Perhaps some childhood trauma leans them that way, but they are no more inclined to be gay than an alcoholic is to drink or a drug addict is to shoot up.

As for them being destined to hell, well that is quite possible.

Romans 8:29-31 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

2nd Thessalonians 2:11-13 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: