[Basilissa]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

Thank you sister, although it doesn't really matter which bibles we use. I mean the message is the same. The Word of God can't change of bible to bible. But thank you for the advice.

Well, it kinda does. There are two basic types of translations: the literal ones and fancy ones. KJV is a literal translation: you get exactly what Jesus said. Fancy translations try to translate what the Bible means instead of what it says - the problem with that is that in the process the translators are trying to interpret the Bible. Hence, you don't get what Jesus said but what someone thought that Jesus said. It starts with change of words, in the worst cases an entire verse may be modified/added/subtracted.

You may want to read Dr. Elmer White's sermon about the KJV being the only reliable version. He knows because he can actually read all of these Hebrew and Greek chicken scratches!

[Ronaldo Cristiano]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

Well, it kinda does. There are two basic types of translations: the literal ones and fancy ones. KJV is a literal translation: you get exactly what Jesus said. Fancy translations try to translate what the Bible means instead of what it says - the problem with that is that in the process the translators are trying to interpret the Bible. Hence, you don't get what Jesus said but what someone thought that Jesus said. It starts with change of words, in the worst cases an entire verse may be modified/added/subtracted.

You may want to read Dr. Elmer White's sermon about the KJV being the only reliable version. He knows because he can actually read all of these Hebrew and Greek chicken scratches!

But the Word of God is there for US to interpret, true? Sometimes his message is not clear.


Like this text under here. It need a lot of thinking for why a text like this will be important or even include in the Good Book.


I think so at least.

1

* Every high priest is taken from among men and made their representative before God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins.*

2

He is able to deal patiently* with the ignorant and erring, for he himself is beset by weakness

3

and so, for this reason, must make sin offerings for himself as well as for the people.a

4

No one takes this honor upon himself but only when called by God, just as Aaron was.b

5

In the same way, it was not Christ who glorified himself in becoming high priest, but rather the one who said to him:
“You are my son;
this day I have begotten you”;c

6

just as he says in another place:*
“You are a priest forever

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

...The Word of God can't change of bible to bible...

Then every Bible would say exactly the same thing, and they don't. Let's look at 1 John 5:7, in the KJV and then the NIV.

1 John 5:7 (KJV) "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:7 (NIV) "For there are three that testify:"

See that? The KJV explicitly states that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are facets of a single being, where the NIV is completely silent on the matter, making John 10:30 confusing (look up triune god vs. trinity for why the difference matters).

Then there are all of the verses that just do not appear in the NIV at all. Pastor William Sampson has a great post listing them (but I can't find it right now. I'll keep trying). In the meantime, Pastor Zeke has a nice thread mentioning several of the differences (and what they mean) here: https://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=10335

I really wish people would read the Bible before claiming it says something that it doesn't.

[Basilissa]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

But the Word of God is there for US to interpret, true? Sometimes his message is not clear.

Like this text under here. It need a lot of thinking for why a text like this will be important or even include in the Good Book.

I think so at least.

Oh dear - every single word in the Holy Bible is important. Or are you implying that God said some unimportant stuff on some occasions?

Let's have a look at the verses in question:

Hebrews 5:1-7
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

You may ask, Who is this Melchisedec (מַלְכִּי־צֶדֶֿק) and should we care? Feel free to follow the link to read the answer. Anyway, the quoted verses describe how the priest should be - and if you knew anything about the Bible in general you would know that God loves long and meticulous descriptions of how different classes of people should behave - be it priests (here), women (e.g. Ephesians 5:22-24), or, for example, slaves (e.g. Ephesians 6:5-8).

This is because the Holy Bible is the Manual of Life, so of course that detailed instructions of appropriate behavior take a lot of space!

I hope this was helpful, dear.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

But the Word of God is there for US to interpret, true? Sometimes his message is not clear.

When the message isn't clear, it's a sign that you're lacking faith. You should confess this sin Right Away! You should apologize to Christ Jesus for being the instrument of His Torturous Encounter on Calgary in a Spiritual Way but also mystically in a Physical Way as well. You do know He spent a terribly uncomfortable few hours in order to Sacrifice Himself just so you wouldn't have to pay the Eternal Debt you owe, a Debt you can never, ever pay! How ungrateful does one have to be to know the Infant Christ Child was Born specifically to be Killed and yet be so petty as to argue with Him about His Best Selling Autobiography, the Holy Bible? Goodness, does it all have to be about you?

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

...You should apologize to Christ Jesus for being the instrument of His Torturous Encounter on Calgary...

What, was He stuck with playing for the Flames? SAD!

[Ronaldo Cristiano]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

Oh dear - every single word in the Holy Bible is important. Or are you implying that God said some unimportant stuff on some occasions?

Let's have a look at the verses in question:

Hebrews 5:1-7
1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

You may ask, Who is this Melchisedec (מַלְכִּי־צֶדֶֿק) and should we care? Feel free to follow the link to read the answer. Anyway, the quoted verses describe how the priest should be - and if you knew anything about the Bible in general you would know that God loves long and meticulous descriptions of how different classes of people should behave - be it priests (here), women (e.g. Ephesians 5:22-24), or, for example, slaves (e.g. Ephesians 6:5-8).

This is because the Holy Bible is the Manual of Life, so of course that detailed instructions of appropriate behavior take a lot of space!

I hope this was helpful, dear.

Very helpful....I think.


So you say I have to read ALL and accept everything in the bible?
And that some versions are better than the others?
And I accept everything blind and try not interpret?


Also, if the bible says how all type of people have to behave, is there an index (like A-Z) or something to find how I should behave, or people like me?


That would be helpful.


And thank you again.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

Some things are very simple. Making carved, or engraved, or cast images for instance. God has prohibited that and it doesn't matter which language you use the prohibition remains. Of course a language that did not have a word for "image" or "statue" would present a problem for translators but for people speaking such a language it would be less of a problem because they'd be very unlikely to actually have images, carved, engraved or cast in the first place.

Therefore they could not bow down to them.

God calls such things idols. God prohibits MAKING them and also BOWING to them. People who do so reject God and are obviously not Christians.

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops not only encourage the sale of such blasphemous objects but also bow to them. Because this prohibition is so important with no room for any sort of interpretation we know for certain that catholicism is not a Christian religion.

It is very encouraging to see someone asking questions. When there is confusion, because different people have interpreted The Bible in different ways or translated it by leaving out bits they don't like or adding stuff they think sounds cool, we understand what God meant by this passage:

II PETER .KJV . look up
16 We have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

It's not necessary for me to explain what God meant when He commanded that no images be produced and there's no wiggle room available concerning bowing in front of the things. If I was going to say "Oh, God didn't mean that," why shouldn't I say that God didn't mean it when He said that Jesus came to bring Salvation?

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

Very helpful....I think.


So you say I have to read ALL and accept everything in the bible?
And that some versions are better than the others?
And I accept everything blind and try not interpret?


Also, if the bible says how all type of people have to behave, is there an index (like A-Z) or something to find how I should behave, or people like me?


That would be helpful.


And thank you again.

She is not saying so. God is.
To accept the word of a woman, no matter how intelligent she seems, is silly. Is not the place of a woman to advise men; the men should lead them.


Go here: https://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumdisplay.php?f=45


And find this and other advice on how to behave first hand, from God Himself.


Come back when you have finished, you will be born again in Jesus Christ.

[Ronaldo Cristiano]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

She is not saying so. God is.
To accept the word of a woman, no matter how intelligent she seems, is silly. Is not the place of a woman to advise men; the men should lead them.


Go here: https://www.landoverbaptist.net/forumdisplay.php?f=45


And find this and other advice on how to behave first hand, from God Himself.


Come back when you have finished, you will be born again in Jesus Christ.

OK. So I must ignore all advice from the lady christians here. I understand.


They are inferiors according to the bible. (all versions I imagine...??)


A woman must know her place and I, as a man, must be the leader in advice.
(Perhaps they should stop giving me advice, no?)


Thank you brother González.

[Basilissa]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

Very helpful....I think.

Thank you, dear! I love being helpful. After all, God created me to be a help meet:

Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

So you say

She is not saying so. God is.

Precisely.

I have to read ALL and accept everything in the bible?

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

And that some versions are better than the others?

Yes.

And I accept everything blind and try not interpret?

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Also, if the bible says how all type of people have to behave, is there an index (like A-Z) or something to find how I should behave, or people like me?

Yes. That helpful index is called Google. You can also search for keywords on the KJV website: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

OK. So I must ignore all advice from the lady christians here. I understand.

I don't think you will find any Christian lady here giving you advices, dear. My humble role is just to point you to appropriate Bible verses. It's the Bible that gives you all guidance you'll ever need.

They are inferiors according to the bible.

Indeed.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

(all versions I imagine...??)

Pretty much. Again, you could have done this search yourself, but as a lowly help meet I'm happy to drop everything I'm doing and be of assistance, doing secretarial work when you can relax and enjoy life.

1 Corinthians 11:3
Ephesians 5:22
Ephesians 5:23
Ephesians 5:24
Colossians 3:18
1 Timothy 2:12

Now that I have done the legwork for you, you can click and do the research yourself.

Or do you need me to do that, too, and report to you any discrepancies between different versions?

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

OK. So I must ignore all advice from the lady christians here. I understand.


They are inferiors according to the bible. (all versions I imagine...??)


A woman must know her place and I, as a man, must be the leader in advice.
(Perhaps they should stop giving me advice, no?)


Thank you brother González.

Yes, and no, like the Holy Trinity, things are a little bit more complicated.


What you should do is to read the Bible, my previous link was directed to the forum where Brother V, along other Brothers, Pastors and Professors have discussed it and shown every aspect of it, without adding a word to it. Showing the light of the Bible, but not interpreting it.


Other thing you should know, is the hierarchy here:


1) Landover Pastors
2) Male True Christians
3) Male True Christians from lesser races (non-anglo-saxon-white)
4) Female True Christians
5) Female True Christians from lesser races (non-anglo-saxon-white)
4) Forum Members


...


278) Cats and dogs we like


...


375) Cats and dogs we despise


...


1546) Unsaved Thrash (without any distinction of race, gender, sexual orientation, politic tendency, non-TC religion, and so on. Very equalitarian, I may say)


You are under item 1546, until the department of Faith has cleared you. There is a thread in this forum about how to get saved, you have a forum with the Bible that you can complete in year, so there are no excuses.


But the best way to show you are a TC, is to open your Bible and read it. No shortcuts, no secret passages.


And of course, if you quote the Bible supporting the things you say when you post here, people will like you more as well.


I hope this helps, I am praying for your soul.

[Ronaldo Cristiano]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

Thank you, dear! I love being helpful. After all, God created me to be a help meet:

Genesis 2:18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.





Precisely.



James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Yes.



2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.



Yes. That helpful index is called Google. You can also search for keywords on the KJV website: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/





I don't think you will find any Christian lady here giving you advices, dear. My humble role is just to point you to appropriate Bible verses. It's the Bible that gives you all guidance you'll ever need.



Indeed.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.



Pretty much. Again, you could have done this search yourself, but as a lowly help meet I'm happy to drop everything I'm doing and be of assistance, doing secretarial work when you can relax and enjoy life.

1 Corinthians 11:3
Ephesians 5:22
Ephesians 5:23
Ephesians 5:24
Colossians 3:18
1 Timothy 2:12

Now that I have done the legwork for you, you can click and do the research yourself.

Or do you need me to do that, too, and report to you any discrepancies between different versions?

Thank you! Very helpful. I will now read alot and I will let advise you if I need that you do more legwork.


Thanks again sister for your offer!

[Ronaldo Cristiano]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

Yes, and no, like the Holy Trinity, things are a little bit more complicated.


What you should do is to read the Bible, my previous link was directed to the forum where Brother V, along other Brothers, Pastors and Professors have discussed it and shown every aspect of it, without adding a word to it. Showing the light of the Bible, but not interpreting it.


Other thing you should know, is the hierarchy here:


1) Landover Pastors
2) Male True Christians
3) Male True Christians from lesser races (non-anglo-saxon-white)
4) Female True Christians
5) Female True Christians from lesser races (non-anglo-saxon-white)
4) Forum Members


...


278) Cats and dogs we like


...


375) Cats and dogs we despise


...


1546) Unsaved Thrash (without any distinction of race, gender, sexual orientation, politic tendency, non-TC religion, and so on. Very equalitarian, I may say)


You are under item 1546, until the department of Faith has cleared you. There is a thread in this forum about how to get saved, you have a forum with the Bible that you can complete in year, so there are no excuses.


But the best way to show you are a TC, is to open your Bible and read it. No shortcuts, no secret passages.


And of course, if you quote the Bible supporting the things you say when you post here, people will like you more as well.


I hope this helps, I am praying for your soul.

Thank you so much brother G. and allthough I find it surprising being more low than pets, I accept your other points. Sister Basilisca also said a few things ....

1 Corinthians 14:34 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextLet your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.




but obviously your advice (of a man) are more important here.


Philemon 1:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextHaving confidence in thy obedience I wrote unto thee, knowing that thou wilt also do more than I say.




Also, very important, I think I am NOT a deserve True Cristian, not yet at least. Maybe not ever. Is very hard to get true religion here.


Here is not religious at all. Most are evangelistic and catholics that don't go to church (like me, I suppose )


I now will start to read those link and scriptures, so thanks again. We will talk soon. I have many questions for God, and because you people absolutely know God's intentions you can tell me what must I do.


Thank you.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Hello, from godless spain!

Thank you so much brother G. and allthough I find it surprising being more low than pets, I accept your other points. Sister Basilisca also said a few things ....

1 Corinthians 14:34 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextLet your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.




but obviously your advice (of a man) are more important here.


Philemon 1:21 | View whole chapter | See verse in contextHaving confidence in thy obedience I wrote unto thee, knowing that thou wilt also do more than I say.




Also, very important, I think I am NOT a deserve True Cristian, not yet at least. Maybe not ever. Is very hard to get true religion here.


Here is not religious at all. Most are evangelistic and catholics that don't go to church (like me, I suppose )


I now will start to read those link and scriptures, so thanks again. We will talk soon. I have many questions for God, and because you people absolutely know God's intentions you can tell me what must I do.


Thank you.

Pay special attention to Genesis, Exodus and Deuteronomy. I think those 3 are the fundamental basis of a real True Christian. You will learn the meaning of though love, for sure.


And please be aware that Catholicism has reached an all-time low by allowing a south american Pope, from the pseudo-communist land of Argentina.


Seriously, they were more Christian-like when Torquemada was on the rise.