Hi, I'm new here...

[HeadLikeAnOrange]

Greetings y'all.

I have made a couple of posts on here already, both concerning a certain article regarding the 10 Commandments and a whole load of Genocide, Capital Punishment and rape. I'll be honest, I found it funny. Not the actual acts of Genocide etc, but the extremity of the piece and the extremity of the punishments and find it hard to believe that such small crimes were ever dealt with in such an extreme way.

I am an Atheist, and make no bones about it. I'm not an extreme Atheist, I have no problems with people believing in a god, or taking solice in a religion, I just don't happen to believe in one myself.

I'm fascinated by the way that people limit their own experiences in life by following these strict rules laid down by a book written sometime around c.223. I find people such as yourselves, that take things to such extreme measures particularly fasicanating. I just have a few questions for you guys...

1) I'm aware that not all Christian's believe in the theory of Creationism, but lets assume a number of you do here. How do you explain the various scientific theories that disprove this idea of a 'God' character creating the Universe in 6/7 days? How do you feel about the theory of evolution and the Big Bang?

2) Why do so many Christians feel the need to 'force' their religion on the 'non-believers' - claiming that they're inferior human beings for not taking solice in religion? I'm an Atheist and I don't try and force my beliefs on others, I just like to discuss things (although I've already been told that this is not a 'discussion forum' )

3) Do you believe someone can be a good person and live their life in an honourable way if they don't believe in God?

Cheers

[Gabriel Reproba]

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I'll be honest, I found it funny. Not the actual acts of Genocide etc, but the extremity of the piece and the extremity of the punishments and find it hard to believe that such small crimes were ever dealt with in such an extreme way.

You laugh at God's Word? Which parts of the cited scripture did you find "funny?" Everything on that chart is well documented in the Bible. (I don't think you will find it so funny when you are burning in Hell.)

I have no problems with people believing in a god, or taking solice in a religion, I just don't happen to believe in one myself.

Then why do you come here spewing hate when all we are doing is reading the Bible (KJV1611) and quoting exactly what it says about the punishments for the Ten Commandments so that the world can understand how to be a True Christian™?

I'm fascinated by the way that people limit their own experiences in life by following these strict rules...

If we don't follow these rules, we will burn in Hell forever. Jesus confirms this:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mathew 5:17

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:21

I find people such as yourselves, that take things to such extreme measures particularly fasicanating.

You think that simply following the laws that our LORD GOD laid down for us is "extreme." i guess you atheists find things like NOT BEING A PEDOPHILE "extreme?"

I'm aware that not all Christian's believe in the theory of Creationism, but lets assume a number of you do here.

That number would be "all."

How do you explain the various scientific theories that disprove this idea of a 'God' character creating the Universe in 6/7 days? How do you feel about the theory of evolution and the Big Bang?

What sort of "disproof" are you talking about, and please cite scripture.

2) Why do so many Christians feel the need to 'force' their religion on the 'non-believers' - claiming that they're inferior human beings for not taking solice in religion?

Because we are nice loving people who don't want people like you to go to Hell? Don't you get it? If we don't try to save you, we risk never going to Heaven ourselves:

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:14

O give thanks unto the LORD; call upon his name: make known his deeds among the people.

Psalms 105:1

3) Do you believe someone can be a good person and live their life in an honourable way if they don't believe in God?

What a stupid question. It is self-refuting.

[HeadLikeAnOrange]

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You laugh at God's Word? Which parts of the cited scripture did you find "funny?" Everything on that chart is well documented in the Bible. (I don't think you will find it so funny when you are burning in Hell.)

Then why do you come here spewing hate when all we are doing is reading the Bible (KJV1611) and quoting exactly what it says about the punishments for the Ten Commandments so that the world can understand how to be a True Christian™?

The part I found funny was the ridiculousness of the punishments for what I consider to be fairly minor crimes. I consider murder a far more severe crime than either having a god before this one, or taking God's name in vain.

You think that simply following the laws that our LORD GOD laid down for us is "extreme." i guess you atheists find things like NOT BEING A PEDOPHILE "extreme?"

Not the parts I was talking about. Of course 'we atheists' agree with not being Paedophiles, we have morals, we just choose not to have those morals dictated to us by what we believe to be a piece of fiction.

That number would be "all."

What sort of "disproof" are you talking about, and please cite scripture.

The 'disproof' I am talking about doesn't come from scripture. It comes from the world of scientific discovery. Theories that are backed up by scientific evidence and geniune proof, not relying on and taking the word of God as gospel.

The main scientific theories that dispel any possibility of God creating the Universe we live in in my mind are The Big Bang Theory and then the Theory of Evolution. If you're ignorant to the Big Bang Theory I'll bore you with a simple explanation. he Big Bang theory refers to the idea that the Universe has expanded from a primordial hot and dense initial condition (most likely to be a superhot, superdense fireball of energetic radiation) at some finite time in the past (currently estimated to have been approximately 13.7 billion years ago), and continues to expand to this day.

The theory itself is supported by Einsteins theory of relativity, where he realised that his equations said that the universe must be either expanding or contracting, but it could not be standing still, because if it were then gravity would attract all the galaxies towards one another.

I certainly find that theory, and Darwin's theory of evolution to be a FAR more believable idea than this Supernatural God-being creating the Earth and the Universe in the space of 6 days, before creating a man out of dust and a woman from one of his ribs. I don't honestly see how that is at all possible; and years and years of Scientific discovery support my argument.

Because we are nice loving people who don't want people like you to go to Hell? Don't you get it? If we don't try to save you, we risk never going to Heaven ourselves.

But I'm a nice, loving person that doesn't believe in the theory of heaven and hell. It's not particuarly nice, but I believe that once we die we're popped into the ground and rot. I don't believe that our spirits continue to live on and get into contact with these mumbo-jumbo 'mediums' and I don't believe we move upto Heaven or Hell depending on how we've lived our lives.

I don't wish to be scared into living a life of good just because of the possibility of there being a Heaven or Hell. I want to be a good person because I have had morals instilled into me, because I have a conscience and because I want people to treat me with respect. I don't believe I need to follow the rules of the bible and follow these strict rules in order to be a good person.

What a stupid question. It is self-refuting.

It's not a stupid question. As I said in my last paragraph, I believe that you can be a good person, treat people well and not commit atrocities without having a base of religion. I believe when Religion and the words of the Bible are taken as literally as the people on this site it just causes you to harbour unnecessary hate. I personally have no issue with anyone that wishes to be gay, I'm not gay myself but if being gay makes someone happy then why should I be bothered by it and why should I feel the need to take issue with it?

Also. I know I don't agree with the beliefs of alot of you here, but I do appreciate your beliefs and feel that if believing in God and following the words of The Bible makes you happy, then go ahead - live your life as you wish to, but I've been born with a curious mind and I like discussing topics such as this; so would appreciate it if we could have some intelligent discussion on the matter. I'm not going to force my beliefs on you, and I wish the same in return; I'd just like abit of harmless discussion, a sharing of ideas if you will.

[Nobar King]

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Since I expect that you're only open to learning things that can be verified via the internets, may I suggest that you stop writing 'alot' (which isn't a word), and start using the commonly accepted phrase 'a lot'?

[Mr. Snerdly]

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I expect you are nothing more than a pansy, liberal sissy boy that wants to get things stirred up amongst God fearing, normal Americans. We don't welcome you and your kind on this forum, or any other half ways decent forum for that matter.

Why don't you go do some disgusting, perverted things as all of you atheists have a great desire to do, and let the Godly try to make this a better country.

You are unsaved and unwelcome.

[HeadLikeAnOrange]

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Since I expect that you're only open to learning things that can be verified via the internets, may I suggest that you stop writing 'alot' (which isn't a word), and start using the commonly accepted phrase 'a lot'?

Yep, because Albert Einsteins theory of relativity and the Big Bang Theory (first theorised by Georges Lemaître) were first written up and can therefore only be verified via the 'internets'.

Also, nice work on the grammatical corrections. Far easier to nitpick someones grammar than reply to them in a respectful manner. I've gained 'alot' of respect for you

I expect you are nothing more than a pansy, liberal sissy boy that wants to get things stirred up amongst God fearing, normal Americans. We don't welcome you and your kind on this forum, or any other half ways decent forum for that matter.

Why don't you go do some disgusting, perverted things as all of you atheists have a great desire to do, and let the Godly try to make this a better country.

You are unsaved and unwelcome.

I have no interest in 'stirring things up'. I was just interested in reading the views of some respectful, intelligent people. I guess I've come to the wrong place, not seen any of those types of people around here yet.

Also, just because Atheists don't believe in god doesn't mean we don't have morals. Why do so many religious people believe that to have any sense of morality you must believe in a higher power? Such bullshit.

[Wide-Open]

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1) I'm aware that not all Christian's believe in the theory of Creationism, but lets assume a number of you do here. How do you explain the various scientific theories that disprove this idea of a 'God' character creating the Universe in 6/7 days? How do you feel about the theory of evolution and the Big Bang?

It was disproven how? Did you know that even Einstein (who now rots in hell) was some kind of deist? Did you know that the "big bang" theory was invented by a Belgican cathlyck priest (who now rots in hell). Did you?

We were created 6,000 and a bit years ago. The Bible tells us that. What more proof would you need!

2) Why do so many Christians feel the need to 'force' their religion on the 'non-believers' - claiming that they're inferior human beings for not taking solice in religion?

Because we are worried about their ethernal soul. We are doing you a favour. We are trying to SAVE you from being bummed for eternity by Satan and his minions.

3) Do you believe someone can be a good person and live their life in an honourable way if they don't believe in God?

Oh, before I was saved, I believed that too. Universal human rights, rights for gays, rights for poor people, rights for negras (look up the word in MLK's speeches). I thought we should live and let live, and help out where we can.

Then, friend, a miracle happened. I had just lost my wife in a terrible gardening accident, and I started to read the Bible. From the top.

And I mean REALLY read it, not just skim a few pages. And then it hit me: either this is all hogwash, or... it is the TRUE word of God, and EVERY word should be taken literally.

A Divine Revelation if there ever was any.

A simple human like myself surely should not decide which parts I wanted to believe, and which parts I wanted to ignore.

You either believe the whole thing, or you are a hellbound sinner.

From that moment on, I repented from my sins of being a hellbound atheist, and was ready to be washed by the Blood of the Lamb. PRAISE!

It turned my world around, I can assure you.

[HeadLikeAnOrange]

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It was disproven how? Did you know that even Einstein (who now rots in hell) was some kind of deist? Did you know that the "big bang" theory was invented by a Belgican cathlyck priest (who now rots in hell). Did you?

We were created 6,000 and a bit years ago. The Bible tells us that. What more proof would you need!

No we weren't. The Bible isn't any proof. Scientists have discovered that the Earth was formed 4.54 Billion years ago, and Mitochondrial DNA and Fossil evidence tells us that Homo Sapiens have been roaming this planet for about 200,000 years. There's actual proof behind science, it's facts, it's formed on discovery, not fiction. There is zero actual proof that God formed this planet and that we were created 6,000 years ago, it's just hear-say.

Because we are worried about their ethernal soul. We are doing you a favour. We are trying to SAVE you from being bummed for eternity by Satan and his minions.

But I don't believe Satan exists, so there's no need to SAVE me from being bummed by him for eternity.

Oh, before I was saved, I believed that too. Universal human rights, rights for gays, rights for poor people, rights for negras (look up the word in MLK's speeches). I thought we should live and let live, and help out where we can.

Then, friend, a miracle happened. I had just lost my wife in a terrible gardening accident, and I started to read the Bible. From the top.

And I mean REALLY read it, not just skim a few pages. And then it hit me: either this is all hogwash, or... it is the TRUE word of God, and EVERY word should be taken literally.

A Divine Revelation if there ever was any.

A simple human like myself surely should not decide which parts I wanted to believe, and which parts I wanted to ignore.

You either believe the whole thing, or you are a hellbound sinner.

From that moment on, I repented from my sins of being a hellbound atheist, and was ready to be washed by the Blood of the Lamb. PRAISE!

It turned my world around, I can assure you.

I'm sorry to hear about you losing your wife, and I'm glad you found solace in religion. I'm happy to hear you're happy with your choices and feel it turned your life around; but it simply doesn't impact me and enthral me as much as it clearly has with you. I grew up learning about religion, reading parts of the bible, listening to vicars etc but I just don't believe in the same way you guys do. I'm happy with my life, I don't need turning around. I have morals, I treat people right, I have a conscience, so don't agree that religion is the only way to acquire these characteristics.

Also abit confused about your first comment in that quote about 'rights for gays, rights for poor people, rights for negras' do you no longer believe those people are entitled to rights because of your new found religion? If so, I see that to be a fairly sad state of affairs. Those people are still human beings, and still deserve respect regardless of their sexual preferences, financial state or race. I find it incredible that religion can lead people to hate, I was always of the believe that religion was something that encouraged you to treat everyone the same and not single out certain members of society; especially those that are happy with their lives.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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[...]Also abit confused about your first comment in that quote about 'rights for gays, rights for poor people, rights for negras' do you no longer believe those people are entitled to rights because of your new found religion?

Your confusion is probably related to your inability to spell and/or your use of invented words.

Those people are still human beings,

and thus have a soul that they wilfully imperil.

and still deserve respect regardless of their sexual preferences, financial state or race.

I think that's a little strong. God approves of only one sexual preference - the normal one. The poor are always with us, as Jesus said. It is therefore not wise to bring them out of that state, otherwise, if we succeed, we would make Christ a liar. The races are God's creation, He created the Children of Ham to be servants, but may rebel against their lot in life.

Rights are another problem - With rights comes the responsibility for praising God in Word and Deed for that Gift - too many lesser people cannot, or will not, do this

I find it incredible that religion can lead people to hate,

I have to ask if you were brought up in this world! You seem remarkably unaffected by the necessity to Praise God to ensure the Eternal Life that He promised.

I was always of the believe that religion was something that encouraged you to treat everyone the same

You are drifting into delusion - I honestly do not believe you were taught anything

and not single out certain members of society; especially those that are happy with their lives.

You think for one moment that a queer-boy would not wish to be straight? A Darkie would not wish to be white? A poor man to be rich?

Or someone with a black and wizened soul to have it washed clean in The Blood of The Lamb?

[Gabriel Reproba]

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But I don't believe Satan exists, so there's no need to SAVE me from being bummed by him for eternity.

So if you are crossing the street and you don't believe that there is a car coming to hit you and squish you into little pieces, I don't need to push you out of the way?

Good to know, heathen.

[HLG4life]

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It'd be nice to think that, but for the most part on this site I also have only found hate.

[Wide-Open]

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It'd be nice to think that, but for the most part on this site I also have only found hate.

There is no hate here friend, just love for Christ. If you see hate, please use the report post function. We know that many unsaved folks try to abuse these Godly Forums.

Thank you.

[Wide-Open]

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No we weren't. The Bible isn't any proof. Scientists have discovered that the Earth was formed 4.54 Billion years ago, and Mitochondrial DNA and Fossil evidence tells us that Homo Sapiens have been roaming this planet for about 200,000 years. There's actual proof behind science, it's facts, it's formed on discovery, not fiction. There is zero actual proof that God formed this planet and that we were created 6,000 years ago, it's just hear-say.

And that's why it's called the "Big Bang Fact" and the "Evolution Fact"?

Uh oh.

Did you personally witness these "facts", or... are they theories you read about and believe.

Think about this for a while, please.

But I don't believe Satan exists, so there's no need to SAVE me from being bummed by him for eternity.

Could it be that for us, Christians, it doesn't matter if you believe in Satan or not?

I'm sorry to hear about you losing your wife, and I'm glad you found solace in religion.

Well, later in life I realised that God had a plan for that slut all along. As soon as you have Faith, you no longer need solace, or pity. You just know that everything is how He meant it to be.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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It'd be nice to think that, but for the most part on this site I also have only found hate.

If you find God's Holy Word to be "hateful," then feel free to leave. This is a Christian forum. You aren't welcome here, because you are unsaved.