[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

general raving . . . . . . deleted

Because Jesus informed us that the dietary laws were not of concern. If you read the Bible, you'd know this.

No he didn't.

Yes He did. I don't think you actually have a Bible, but the point was covered HERE recently. You will notice that a separate revelation was vouchsafed to Peter, confirming this.

more raving from jeremy72:

The point is that he said it and you refuse to accept it. You are simply not a christian that's all.

The it Jesus said, and the it we "refuse to accept" are not the same "it"

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[Levi Jones]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

I believe that these were some of the passages that you were referring to. Well, by that logic, the Old Testament was completely and absolutely corrupt prior to the arrival of Jesus. When Jesus came and taught the words of God, he taught parts of the Old Testament but not all of it. Even though the the Old Testament is part of the Lord's Bible, it was written by man's hand and thus suffered from man's taint.

This is the exact argument atheists make here on a daily basis for dismissing the entire Bible.

It was not incorruptible as the only being that is incorruptible is God and Heaven. And as Jesus taught the Lord's word, he corrected parts of the Old Testament. However he only corrected parts, not all of it. So the taint on the Old Testament that was evident at the time of Jesus is still here today in certain sections.

What gets thrown out and who gets to decide? Your heresy makes the eight pound five ounce baby cry.

2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Acts 15:19-21 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

It takes a keen eye and a firm belief in God to deduce what parts are true and which are false. This is why I tend to quote from the New Testament before quoting from the Old Testament, because I firmly believe in the validity and purity of God's word, as spoken by Jesus and recorded by his disciples.

But only you possess this keen eye? Oh boy, it's the church of popdart now.

Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Deuteronomy 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

[Popdart]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

2 Peter 2:1-9

1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

As you can see, the righteous man that does not succumb to trickery and falsity will be rewarded by God. The Bible was God's word in written form however, it was still written by man and was still vulnerable to the corrupt and evil men who were there to transcribe God's word. The Old Testament suffered heavily from this as the Jewish Old Testament existed for over 1000 years prior to the birth of Jesus Christ. During this time, the Old Testament was constantly written so that God's word could be communicated more readily to the population. There were plenty of opportunities for corruption to seep into the Old Testament. The New Testament does not suffer from this because it was Jesus' spoken word, as heard by his disciples and written down by his disciples. Therefore, in the space of approximately 50 years after the ascension of Jesus to heaven, the New Testament had been written, whereas the Old Testament took hundreds of years for the different passages to be written.

But only you possess this keen eye? Oh boy, it's the church of popdart now.

I never said that I possessed a keen eye. The fact that I prefer to use the New Testament rather than the Old Testament demonstrates that my eye is not very keen. I rely on the strength of my faith in God and Jesus Christ to show me the true word of God.

[Levi Jones]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

2 Peter 2:1-9

You described yourself to a tee there. A false prophet.

As you can see, the righteous man that does not succumb to trickery and falsity will be rewarded by God. The Bible was God's word in written form however, it was still written by man and was still vulnerable to the corrupt and evil men who were there to transcribe God's word. The Old Testament suffered heavily from this as the Jewish Old Testament existed for over 1000 years prior to the birth of Jesus Christ.

By that logic, the New Testament should be almost equally corrupt. It was written 2000 years ago.

I never said that I possessed a keen eye. The fact that I prefer to use the New Testament rather than the Old Testament demonstrates that my eye is not very keen. I rely on the strength of my faith in God and Jesus Christ to show me the true word of God.

So Jesus talks to you and tells you which verses to follow and which ones to disregard? Oh my! How He has favored you.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

As you can see, the righteous man that does not succumb to trickery and falsity will be rewarded by God. The Bible was God's word in written form however, it was still written by man and was still vulnerable to the corrupt and evil men who were there to transcribe God's word. The Old Testament suffered heavily from this as the Jewish Old Testament existed for over 1000 years prior to the birth of Jesus Christ. During this time, the Old Testament was constantly written so that God's word could be communicated more readily to the population. There were plenty of opportunities for corruption to seep into the Old Testament. The New Testament does not suffer from this because it was Jesus' spoken word, as heard by his disciples and written down by his disciples. Therefore, in the space of approximately 50 years after the ascension of Jesus to heaven, the New Testament had been written, whereas the Old Testament took hundreds of years for the different passages to be written.

So you're saying that the Old Testament is pretty much invalid because it existed for a thousand or so years and was most likely translated incorrectly. But, why don't you apply this same skepticism to the New Testament? The KJV was not created until 1611...much more than a thousand years! It seems like a double standard to claim that the OT was corrupted, but the NT magically remains intact.

Furthermore, this is nothing but complete speculation on your part. You offer no evidence of mistranslation or corruption. As well, what you are advocating goes against what the Bible says about itself.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.


Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

1st Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever.
1st Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1st Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you

I never said that I possessed a keen eye.

But according to you,

It takes a keen eye and a firm belief in God to deduce what parts are true and which are false.

So if you do not have a keen eye, which you admit, you have no idea which parts are true and which parts are false. Therefore, you cannot say the OT is false.

[Popdart]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

You described yourself to a tee there. A false prophet.

I could say the exact same about you. You follow the Bible as it was laid out in 1611 by a Scotsman (King James I was the King of Scotland before he became the King of England) and you base your entire faith on the Bible which is not perfect. Do you know why? Because the Bible was written by man and humanity is not perfect. The thing is, I could be right or you could be right. We cannot be certain. We can only rely on our faith to guide us.


By that logic, the New Testament should be almost equally corrupt. It was written 2000 years ago.

The Bible is not perfect. It is not entirely corrupt but neither is it entirely pure. I never advocated for the complete ignorance of the Old Testament, just saying that you should take everything written there with a grain of salt because we cannot know for sure what is right and what is wrong. Only God knows for sure what he intended his message to be read as. Just as the painter creates a painting with an intended meaning, people may interpret it differently. The Bible cannot be taken word for word because it can have different meanings to different people. There is no one true meaning for every passage in the Bible. Let me demonstrate.

Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Notice how this Psalm says "Thou shalt keep them." God intends you to keep his words intact, however shall does not mean will. Shall means attempting to perform an act, it does not guarantee the performance of said act.


So Jesus talks to you and tells you which verses to follow and which ones to disregard? Oh my! How He has favored you.

Sarcasm never got anyone anywhere. I never said that Jesus or God spoke to me. I read the whole Bible and I follow it however I do not follow everything to a tee. While the Bible provides a good code by which to live your life, it is not perfect (see my response above). If you were to base your life off an imperfect book, your life would also be imperfect.

So if you do not have a keen eye, which you admit, you have no idea which parts are true and which parts are false. Therefore, you cannot say the OT is false.

By that same logic, you cannot say with certainty which parts are true. It is impossible to be 100% certain that all parts of the Bible are word-for-word what was originally said by the prophets or intended by God. You can only rely on your faith to guide you.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

As you can see, the righteous man that does not succumb to trickery and falsity will be rewarded by God.

This is why True Christians™ are the only ones who go to Heaven. We are the only one who haven't succumbed to the teachings of false prophets from the Enlightenment Age. Even though these false prophets and other philosophers after them have convinced most people that we shouldn't burn witches or kill people who refuse to follow God we True Christians™ still believe that people should follow the Bible in it's entirety.

The Bible was God's word in written form however, it was still written by man and was still vulnerable to the corrupt and evil men who were there to transcribe God's word. The Old Testament suffered heavily from this as the Jewish Old Testament existed for over 1000 years prior to the birth of Jesus Christ. During this time, the Old Testament was constantly written so that God's word could be communicated more readily to the population. There were plenty of opportunities for corruption to seep into the Old Testament. The New Testament does not suffer from this because it was Jesus' spoken word, as heard by his disciples and written down by his disciples. Therefore, in the space of approximately 50 years after the ascension of Jesus to heaven, the New Testament had been written, whereas the Old Testament took hundreds of years for the different passages to be written.

Do you think God is an incompetent bafoon?

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Since God is perfect and omnipotent I can assure you that when He gives someone a divine revelation and make them speak 'as they were moved by the Holy Ghost' He does it without screwing up. He makes sure that no misunderstandings are made. You claim that Jesus came to earth in order to correct the misunderstandings in the Old Testament and at the same time you claim that He didn't correct all of them? For the sake of argument let's assume that mistakes were made and that God sent Jesus to correct them. Do you honestly think that Jesus would be too stupid to correct all of these mistakes if they actually existed?

Why do you think that God and/or Jesus are idiots? What have they ever done to you?

I never said that I possessed a keen eye. The fact that I prefer to use the New Testament rather than the Old Testament demonstrates that my eye is not very keen. I rely on the strength of my faith in God and Jesus Christ to show me the true word of God.

So basically you rely on voices in your head to tell you which part is correct and which isn't...? Frightening.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

So basically you rely on voices in your head to tell you which part is correct and which isn't...? Frightening.

I THOUGHT he was mad!

He wrote:

I read the whole Bible and I follow it however I do not follow everything .. ..

[Lazlow]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

Okey this is it, my last reply.
I came, I laughed and I going away now.
You guys really blow me away with your little made-up world.
I feel sorry for every man that is raised up this aweful way and for every new
child that is beaten up to get these ideas..
I thought all mankind was became smarter dan medievel people,
but I guess there are some fallen behind.

Everything is made by God for some people, but God is made by people.

Good day to you all,
and I hope that it wouldn't take a lot of years anymore to exterminate this sect.

[Oakland "Reb" Griner]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

It is with total amazement that I read Popdart's posts here.

He is completely condemned BY HIS OWN WORDS!!

When he hits judgment day, the only thing that needs to be read into evidence is just these few posts here, in our Godly forum, and he will shuttled to the fiery lake for an eternity of unbearable, agonizing, and unrelenting torment, made all the worse for his knowledge that we (and the Holy Bible) were 100% correct about everything, and that Popdart has only his own pride and foolishness to blame!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

Popdart,

So, you claim that the Bible, despite being the Word of A Perfect Being, is not perfect and would therefore disagree with:

Landover Baptist Faith and Message statement
"The Holy Bible, KJV1611, was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture therein is totally true and trustworthy.”

You also say that you can detect what is true and what is false in the Bible. This means that either (i) God inspires you (and only you) to discern or (ii) you are living life simply according to your own conscience and using a bible to back your own decisions and statements.

Which is it?

[Bible Student]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

Marcionist is an incorrect label because they cut out the entire Old Testament while only selecting certain aspects of Jesus' teaching in the New Testament.

You do realize you are relying on information on Marcionists that passed down from that heathenish, evil catolick cult, do you not? The cult might be right because God, in his divine wisdom chose to wipe them off the face of the earth. But maybe they simply forgot to obey that commandment to go forth and multiply. It is tough, BUSY work establishing a new religion and they might have been too tired to do the proper begetting.

I'm advocating the use of all of Jesus' teachings and while I do admit that he refers to a lot of the older Jewish books in the Old Testament, as the Son of God he would be teaching a purer form of God's teachings than what the Jews had established as their religion. That is why I believe that the New Testament should be used to support Christianity before quoting from the Old Testament.

[Bible Student]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

I believe that these were some of the passages that you were referring to. Well, by that logic, the Old Testament was completely and absolutely corrupt prior to the arrival of Jesus. When Jesus came and taught the words of God, he taught parts of the Old Testament but not all of it. Even though the the Old Testament is part of the Lord's Bible, it was written by man's hand and thus suffered from man's taint. It was not incorruptible as the only being that is incorruptible is God and Heaven. And as Jesus taught the Lord's word, he corrected parts of the Old Testament. However he only corrected parts, not all of it. So the taint on the Old Testament that was evident at the time of Jesus is still here today in certain sections.

You are not thinking logically. ALL of the Old Testament was the word of God and was correct. II Timothy 3:16-17 -- All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, it is profitable for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction, for instruction in righteousnesse, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. There is a footnote in the margins that say alternate reading replaces perfect with perfected. That aside notice the verse start of with ALL. Where do you see the words ONLY PARTS OF Scripture? You are being a cafeteria Christian by picking and choosing. That is not what a True Christian does. If you don't get it right Jesus says you are going to hell. Eat everything on the plate, not just the things you like or taste good.

Do you not realize that the Old Testament took thousands of years to write? Our beloved Jesus was only on his ministry for three years. He could not possibly cover thousands of years of God-breathed words in that short period of time and still have some of it left over to redeem the whole world. He had to save some time so he could be crucified and shed his blood, that you too might be saved. And here you are verbally spitting in his face by rejecting His Father's holy words. That is not how a True Christian acts. Please try not acting like a heathen and behave yourself.

It takes a keen eye and a firm belief in God to deduce what parts are true and which are false. This is why I tend to quote from the New Testament before quoting from the Old Testament, because I firmly believe in the validity and purity of God's word, as spoken by Jesus and recorded by his disciples.

You only confirmed you are a Cafeteria Christian and not even trying to strive to be a True Christian. I will pray for your soul after I take a few hours of time devoted to studying my 1611 King James Bible. It is so sad you do not take II Timothy 3:17ff to heart.

[Bible Student]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

I believe that these were some of the passages that you were referring to. Well, by that logic, the Old Testament was completely and absolutely corrupt prior to the arrival of Jesus. When Jesus came and taught the words of God, he taught parts of the Old Testament but not all of it. Even though the the Old Testament is part of the Lord's Bible, it was written by man's hand and thus suffered from man's taint. It was not incorruptible as the only being that is incorruptible is God and Heaven. And as Jesus taught the Lord's word, he corrected parts of the Old Testament. However he only corrected parts, not all of it. So the taint on the Old Testament that was evident at the time of Jesus is still here today in certain sections. It takes a keen eye and a firm belief in God to deduce what parts are true and which are false. This is why I tend to quote from the New Testament before quoting from the Old Testament, because I firmly believe in the validity and purity of God's word, as spoken by Jesus and recorded by his disciples.

It is truly sad that you do not see that corrupt men does not mean the same as corrupt scripture, and you quoted the verses yourself. Men can be corrupted, not scripture. God would never left that happen as others here have tried to point out to you using the 1611 King James Bible itself.

That is all I have to say. I have to get back to studying my 1611 King James Bible so that I too might become a True Christian like those who are taking the time to offer you instruction from the God-breathed words. It is your choice to receive them or not and it will be sad if you go to hell because you are ignoring the enlightened advice of these True Christians who are showing you the way to save your soul.

[Bible Student]

Re: Why are so many christians conservatives?

Yes He did. I don't think you actually have a Bible, but the point was covered HERE recently. You will notice that a separate revelation was vouchsafed to Peter, confirming this.

more raving from jeremy72:

The it Jesus said, and the it we "refuse to accept" are not the same "it"

Here is something you might find helpful before posting further

This is the introduction forum. As an introduction, so far your posts score:

Do you know what it means to INTRODUCE YOURSELF ? . . . . . . . . . . .

MitzaLizalor, that is a very good link. I hope jeremy72 takes the time to read it and learn from it. Your post was very informative and helpful. Now back to studying my 1611 King James Bible.