[Nobar King]

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will you lot take me seriously?

You're a cynic. Why would you expect anyone to take you seriously?

[Redeemed Papist]

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My apologies. I cannot actually state exactly where it is written, but I know that there are brief references in both pagan and Jewish sources, from decades or centuries later. Most scholars agree that Jesus did exist as a person. The two most disputed facts about him are in fact his birth and his crucifixion and resurrection as you may imagine.

I can't quote it factually, as seen above, but I was taught about it during Religious Studies at school.

Very convincing. So basically we're to accept that Jesus existed because of some vaguely remembered hearsay evidence?

What's wrong with the Bible? All of it?

[The Cynic]

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We are just telling you how it is. If it's different from your previous Church that isn't surprising as that was clearly a false Church based on an edited fairytale version of Christianity. The 'believers' there will ALL be joining you in hell.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

YIC

Jack

I am aware you are "telling it like it is". You're not doing a very good job of making your religion seem very attractive, if I have to become an utterly intolerant person to follow it. There are reasons why the other churches stopped following the Bible to the letter.

[Redeemed Papist]

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I am aware you are "telling it like it is". You're not doing a very good job of making your religion seem very attractive, if I have to become an utterly intolerant person to follow it. There are reasons why the other churches stopped following the Bible to the letter.

So you would rather we told lies about God so people like what we are saying? How will that help people to not offend God if they aren't really believing in God?

[The Cynic]

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You pose some interesting questions. Did you know, they are all answered already? God has said something, many times. People think they know better. Do you have a pet dog? Were you able to train it and now it does everything you tell it? Of course not. That is why dogs get run over in the street. Yes, it is sad to see a dog flattened on the road, its' intestines covering an entire lane. But it is dead for one reason. It did not listen. Just like all the people who die prematurely.

Again, you assume. I have been writing computer programs since the inception of Microsoft. So I doubt you know more about it than I. Quite a few True Christians™ were involved with the efforts to develop AI, having left that pointless folly and instead, developed the JesOS 7.21, the most pure operating kernal in existence. As you know, at best, AI is only able to mimic what it has heard. It was programmed to know how to mimic. How an AI responds is based upon a algorythim of questions and key verbs. You know nothing more about me that a series of types responses. But you beleive I am real. But we digress.
God does respond to you, all the time. You chose to ignore Him. Reminds me of the Hurricane Katrina joke. Some jiggaboo is on the porch of his house, surrounded by water. A SUV pills up, the guy in it offers the guy on the porch a ride. The guy on the porch declines, stating "God will save me". The water rises. Now he is in the second floor, peering out a window. A guy in a boat copmes buy, offers the guy in the window a ride. The guy in the window sayes "No thanks, God will save me". Next thing you know, the water is to the top of the roof, a helipcopter comes by and the guy in the helicopter tells the guy on the roof to grab onto the rope. The guy on the reoof replies "No thanks, God will save me". So the guy drowns. When he sees St Peter, he asks "Why didn't God save me?" St. Peter says, "God sent you a SUV, a Boat and Helicopter. You chose to ignore Him". Of course with that, St. Peter found his name on a list and the guy was sent to Hell.

You pose some interesting questions. Did you know, they are all answered already? God has said something, many times. People think they know better. Do you have a pet dog? Were you able to train it and now it does everything you tell it? Of course not. That is why dogs get run over in the street. Yes, it is sad to see a dog flattened on the road, its' intestines covering an entire lane. But it is dead for one reason. It did not listen. Just like all the people who die prematurely.

This is a good point. Humans, however, have much higher brain facilities than dogs, even if they don't appear to show it most of the time :S

Again, you assume. I have been writing computer programs since the inception of Microsoft. So I doubt you know more about it than I. Quite a few True Christians™ were involved with the efforts to develop AI, having left that pointless folly and instead, developed the JesOS 7.21, the most pure operating kernal in existence. As you know, at best, AI is only able to mimic what it has heard. It was programmed to know how to mimic. How an AI responds is based upon a algorythim of questions and key verbs. You know nothing more about me that a series of types responses. But you beleive I am real. But we digress.

I apologise for my assumptions, I now doubt that I know more about it than you. I did actually know that about AI, I have a friend who does work in that field and enjoys talking my ear off about it. We do indeed digress.

God does respond to you, all the time. You chose to ignore Him. Reminds me of the Hurricane Katrina joke. Some jiggaboo is on the porch of his house, surrounded by water. A SUV pills up, the guy in it offers the guy on the porch a ride. The guy on the porch declines, stating "God will save me". The water rises. Now he is in the second floor, peering out a window. A guy in a boat copmes buy, offers the guy in the window a ride. The guy in the window sayes "No thanks, God will save me". Next thing you know, the water is to the top of the roof, a helipcopter comes by and the guy in the helicopter tells the guy on the roof to grab onto the rope. The guy on the reoof replies "No thanks, God will save me". So the guy drowns. When he sees St Peter, he asks "Why didn't God save me?" St. Peter says, "God sent you a SUV, a Boat and Helicopter. You chose to ignore Him". Of course with that, St. Peter found his name on a list and the guy was sent to Hell.

A good joke. It's nice the guy was rewarded for his faith.

[The Cynic]

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You're a cynic. Why would you expect anyone to take you seriously?

I don't. That's the entire point

[Jack O'fagan]

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I am aware you are "telling it like it is". You're not doing a very good job of making your religion seem very attractive, if I have to become an utterly intolerant person to follow it. There are reasons why the other churches stopped following the Bible to the letter.

Yes because they saw it as a popularity contest so twisted God's law to follow secular ideas.

God hates fags, fornicators, women vicars and cripples in Church. That's just the way it is.

As I said,

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

YIC

Jack

[The Cynic]

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So you would rather we told lies about God so people like what we are saying? How will that help people to not offend God if they aren't really believing in God?

The Bible was written during a time of misogyny, racism and homophobia. Are you suggesting that we should all return to those days? Face it, the Bible needs an update to the world of now.

Religion was created in order for the ancients to explain the things happening around them, things which we now understand. Denying things which have been proven fact is like a small child with its hands over its eyes and its fingers in its ears because it doesn't like something. Humans are the top of the foodchain because we adapt so well to things. Why not to this also. After all, if we are to hypothetically say God exists, why would He create us with such a propensity for adaptation if He did not wish us to use it. Change helps perfect things, it has been proven time and again. After all, the Bible you yourselves quote is the output from much change.

[Jack O'fagan]

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Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

From the sweet lips of Jesus Himself. I wonder what He would say if He visited a 'modern' Church?

I think you must agree that we at Landover fit the second part of His statement more than the first part?

YIC

Jack

[James Hutchins]

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This is a good point. Humans, however, have much higher brain facilities than dogs, even if they don't appear to show it most of the time :S

Exactly. When you were inschool, you learned 10 + 10 = 20. At first, you did not know why. But when asked, you responded appropriately. You had faith.
From here on, is where people are better than dogs.
Then over time, you come to a level of conciousnous where you understood.

A good joke. It's nice the guy was rewarded for his faith.

Not a joke, it is a parable. I think your failure to see the poignancy is exactly why you do not have faith in God. The man was not rewarded, he was sent to Hell. God helped the man as much as was possible. Each time, the man refused the help because he refused to understand it was by the Divine Intervention Of God(c) that a SUV, Boat and a Helicopter were sent. The man apparently was expecting God Himself to swoop down and save him. Does the CEO of a toilet paper company rush over and replace the roll when it runs out?
The critical point here is that God will only be there so many times in your life. Many think "I can wait until I am on my deathbed, why bother doing anything about it now". God sees through these ploys and will not oblige.
Read about when Einstein, Darwin and other God haters said on their deathbeds. They all begged for His forgiveness. God got the last laugh.

[The Cynic]

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Not a joke, it is a parable. I think your failure to see the poignancy is exactly why you do not have faith in God. The man was not rewarded, he was sent to Hell.

Sorry. I should have used the sarcasm smilie.

Read about when Einstein, Darwin and other God haters said on their deathbeds. They all begged for His forgiveness. God got the last laugh.

Actually, Darwin is quoted as saying

I am not in the least afraid to die

and Einstein never finished writing his last words, but what he got through was

Citater fra...

[James Hutchins]

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Sorry, you misunderstood me when I said last words. I should of asked if you know of thier pledges to God as they lay dying.
http://carm.org/secular-movements/ev...n-his-deathbed

Eintein:
The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man."

[The Cynic]

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Sorry, you misunderstood me when I said last words. I should of asked if you know of thier pledges to God as they lay dying.
http://carm.org/secular-movements/ev...n-his-deathbed

Eintein:
The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. To sense that behind anything that can be experienced there is something that our minds cannot grasp, whose beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly: this is religiousness. In this sense, and in this sense only, I am a devoutly religious man."

That's a Christian website. Unbiased sources please.

I looked around and most sites agree that these

In essence, the conflict that exists today is no more than an old-style struggle for power, once again presented to mankind in semireligious trappings. The difference is that, this time, the development of atomic power has imbued the struggle with a ghostly character; for both parties know and admit that, should the quarrel deteriorate into actual war, mankind is doomed. Despite this knowledge, statesmen in responsible positions on both sides continue to employ the well-known technique of seeking to intimidate and demoralize the opponent by marshaling superior military strength. They do so even though such a policy entails the risk of war and doom. Not one statesman in a position of responsibility has dared to pursue the only course that holds out any promise of peace, the course of supranational security, since for a statesman to follow such a course would be tantamount to political suicide. Political passions, once they have been fanned into flame, exact their victims...

are Einstein's last words.

The quote you used is not him referring to God. It is referring to the mysteries of the Universe, of Time and of Space. Congrats on the misquote

[James Hutchins]

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Well friend, it appears that any source you do not like will be considered biased. You have a very closed mind, unfortunately.

Even though Einstein was just a joo, he had strong beliefs and felt God had to exist. Here is a secular article for you to read.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298-3,00.html

[The Cynic]

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Well friend, it appears that any source you do not like will be considered biased. You have a very closed mind, unfortunately.

Even though Einstein was just a joo, he had strong beliefs and felt God had to exist. Here is a secular article for you to read.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...7298-3,00.html

I had forgotten about that. Thanks for reminding me. No thanks for the racial slur. Thankyou also for taking the trouble to find an unbiased article. Do note, however, that it does not prove any of your quotes true. Einstein believed in A God, but not yours.