[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hey there

That's my point, he died so everyone could have the opportunity to beleive in him and not purish. I know not everyone will accept but everyone has the opportunity.

Matthew 7:21-23
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You're not going to go to Heaven with that attitude, young lady.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

The Bible does not tell us specifically about what happens to those who have never heard. But it does say that Jesus is the only way to salvation (Acts 4:12). If it is possible that someone who has not heard the gospel can be saved, it must be through Jesus Christ and him alone (John 14:6). But, it could not be that a person who is not heard of Jesus can make it to heaven based upon being good since that would violate the scriptural teaching that no one is good (Rom. 3:10-12).
If all people who have never heard of the gospel of Jesus Christ end up in hell, then that would be right because God would never do anything that is improper. On the other hand, if any of them end up in heaven, then it would be the right thing to do for the same reason.
But, if righteousness before God can be achieved through being good, or sincere, or by following various laws, then Jesus died needlessly: "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly," (Gal. 2:21).
Because the Scripture does not specifically address this issue, we cannot make an absolute statement concerning it. However, since the Bible does state that salvation is only through Jesus and that a person must receive Christ, then logically we conclude that those who have not heard the gospel are lost. This is all the more reason to preach the gospel to everyone.

"for Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. 14 How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard?" (Rom. 10:13-14).

Following are some verses that relate to this topic:

• John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
• John 14:6, Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.
• Acts 4:12, “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved.”
• Rom. 10:12-15 "For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call upon Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD will be saved.” 14 How then shall they call upon Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? Just as it is written, “HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THOSE WHO BRING GLAD TIDINGS OF GOOD THINGS!”
• 1 Tim. 2:5-6, "For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony borne at the proper time."
• 1 John 5:11-12, "And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life."
• Rev. 20:15, "And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

I appreciate your hard work with the cut n paste but what the Sam Hill does the New American Standard Bible (1995 Update) have to do with God or Jesus? It is corrupt and frankly a pointless waste of time

For all that you will learn about The Lord you may as well go to a gay porn website and look up rimjobs, tea bagging, monks chains, pandering etc...i.e. Nothing at all.

For example

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (KJV1611)

John 14:6 Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (NASB95)

Makes you think twice, dosn't it?
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[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hey there

That's my point, he died so everyone could have the opportunity to beleive in him and not purish. I know not everyone will accept but everyone has the opportunity.

You're even wrong about that, noobette.

"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes." (Matthew 11:21)

Pastor Ed

[LadyRaven]

Re: Hey there

Instead of giving me just short responses and scriptures perhaps a detailed explanation of what I'm getting wrong might help.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hey there

Instead of giving me just short responses and scriptures perhaps a detailed explanation of what I'm getting wrong might help.

Don't mock short answers. We're not big on long-winded responses, missy, as they are often of the devil...

"But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil." (Matthew 5:37)

I'm not surprised you don't know that, but it doesn't matter. It has been proven time and again that Goths eat babies for Valentine's Day, as well as engage in all manner of other satanic practices.

And just forget for the moment all of the wicked and atrocious things Goths do--do you REALLY want to be guilty of helping fat, pimply-faced, pale, anti-social teens in their rejection of normalcy and decency? How in the world are True Christian™ Missionaries supposed to reach them if they stay enclosed in a dark room with Marilyn Manson posters on the walls? How are they supposed to confess Jesus with rings in their tongues?

Pastor Ed

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hey there

Instead of giving me just short responses and scriptures perhaps a detailed explanation of what I'm getting wrong might help.

Get straight with God, pal. What is so hard for you abos to understand?

[LadyRaven]

Re: Hey there

And just forget for the moment all of the wicked and atrocious things Goths do--do you REALLY want to be guilty of helping fat, pimply-faced, pale, anti-social teens in their rejection of normalcy and decency? How in the world are True Christian™ Missionaries supposed to reach them if they stay enclosed in a dark room with Marilyn Manson posters on the walls? How are they supposed to confess Jesus with rings in their tongues?

Pastor Ed

It's a shame that as soon as someone from the goth culture is caught doing something like this the media makes a big deal out of it and thinks the entire subculture is like that. There are millions of us, do you think we all do the same stuff? Many of us know what it's like to be hurt (physically and emotionally), so why should we hurt others?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hey there

It's a shame that as soon as someone from the goth culture is caught doing something like this the media makes a big deal out of it and thinks the entire subculture is like that. There are millions of us, do you think we all do the same stuff? Many of us know what it's like to be hurt (physically and emotionally), so why should we hurt others?

You do satan's bidding, that's why. Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell, whore.

[LadyRaven]

Re: Hey there

You do satan's bidding, that's why. Jesus and I can't wait to watch you burn in hell, whore.

I've been refraining from saying this due to respect but I think it's time to say it.
You're making me beleive that you don't truely want to see sinners see the light. As soon as you see someone who you think is a sinner you comdemn them. I had a certain respect for you, now I'm going to ignore you. Everyone else is free to talk to me however.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hey there

Would you rather we left people walking into hell just so they like us and give us their children to abuse like the Catholics?
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[LadyRaven]

Re: Hey there

Would you rather we left people walking into hell just so they like us and give us their children to abuse like the Catholics?
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That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that's the impression some people are giving me. I want to make a difference in the world and I hate it when people just push me around simply because I think and look different.
Telling me I'm doing Satan's bidding when you clearly don't personally know me is just insane.

[Redeemed Papist]

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that's the impression some people are giving me. I want to make a difference in the world and I hate it when people just push me around simply because I think and look different.
Telling me I'm doing Satan's bidding when you clearly don't personally know me is just insane.

So when we see you doing Satan's bidding we're supposed to ignore it and not mention it in case we upset you?

How is that love?
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[The Lord's Sword]

Re: Hey there

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that's the impression some people are giving me. I want to make a difference in the world and I hate it when people just push me around simply because I think and look different.
Telling me I'm doing Satan's bidding when you clearly don't personally know me is just insane.

You don't seem to get it, this isn't about our opinion, it's about Gods'. The bible clearly states that you are an abomination for dressing like you do. Deuteronomy 22:5 says, "The woman shall not wear that which pertains unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are an abomination unto the LORD your God." 1 Timothy 2:9 says "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;" You are defying the will of GOD!

[Dr Laurence Niles]

That's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that's the impression some people are giving me. I want to make a difference in the world and I hate it when people just push me around simply because I think and look different.
Telling me I'm doing Satan's bidding when you clearly don't personally know me is just insane.

You don't look different: you look like all the other millions of goths who dress exactly the same (shabbily in black with panda eyes) to express their individuality.

If you wanna be an individual in your God hating athiokindergarden subculture why not read the bible (KJV1611)?

You'll stand out then, but in a Godly way

Shout Glory rather than Gory!
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[LadyRaven]

Re: Hey there

You don't look different: you look like all the other millions of goths who dress exactly the same (shabbily in black with panda eyes) to express their individuality.

If you wanna be an individual in your God hating athiokindergarden subculture why not read the bible (KJV1611)?

You'll stand out then, but in a Godly way

Shout Glory rather than Gory!
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I'm greatly misunderstood on this site. If you were talking to me when I first turned goth then maybe I'd identify. I go to a Church that accepts my gothiness. There's a lot about goth that's had to change during my Christian life but right now I find dressing like everyone else in the building a tad horrifying.

Oh, Pastor Ezekiel I'm sorry about the 'ignore you'. You can come back anytime.

I do read the bible, just not that one. I prefer simple reading.