[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

It's less about Christianity in itself and more so about your branch of it's faith. That is not to say you do not represent your faith on a global scale, more to say that your part of it is diverse. For example, in Matthew 7:1 the frequently used quote of "Judge not lest ye be judged" is used in an attempt to shame Christians on their judgements of other peoples lifestyle. However taking into account the further, and more illuminating parts Matthew 7:2 - 5 it explains the context, that the way you judge as of as much import as why, and that who you are bears no relevance. To myself it means that no matter who you are, your actions and words are judged wholly on their merit and content, and their context. For example, a few of you here have sought to judge me without knowing me, actively shunning me and attempting to push me away. How can you justify this when faith is free to all? When your faith should be actively spread? Jesus did not want seclusion of his faith, or he would not have shared it at all.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Jesus did not want seclusion of his faith, or he would not have shared it at all.

So then how do people get Saved(c) if they are not allowed to attend Church, you might ask.

It never ceases to amaze us the number of so-called "Christians" ask us this question. If they would only blow the dust off of their Bibles and put their noses into the 16th Chapter of Mark, they would find that Jesus commands us to evangelize the world! He didn't say, "find a comfortable pew each Sunday morning and cross your fingers in hopes that some unsaved piece of human refuse will walk through the doors of your church." No, he said, ""Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel." That word, "go" there is a verb. And for those of you illiterate, misguided Christians who allow unsaved people through the doors of your church each Sunday morning, a verb is an "action word," and "go" means "GO!" as in "leave," or "SCRAM!" It doesn't mean, sit on your hiney! The only place for evangelism is outside the confines of the Lord's four-walled holy dwelling place. God's home is a place for True Christians™ to fellowship. Allowing an unsaved person into church is like Rush Limbaugh inviting Hillary Clinton to a meeting of Republicans on how to defeat the Democrats in 2012. It's something you JUST DON'T DO! PERIOD!

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

It's less about Christianity in itself and more so about your branch of it's faith. That is not to say you do not represent your faith on a global scale, more to say that your part of it is diverse. For example, in Matthew 7:1 the frequently used quote of "Judge not lest ye be judged" is used in an attempt to shame Christians on their judgements of other peoples lifestyle. However taking into account the further, and more illuminating parts Matthew 7:2 - 5 it explains the context, that the way you judge as of as much import as why, and that who you are bears no relevance. To myself it means that no matter who you are, your actions and words are judged wholly on their merit and content, and their context.

Why does it need to mean anything "to you" other than what the plain language says, which is a warning against hypocritical judgment?

For example, a few of you here have sought to judge me without knowing me, actively shunning me and attempting to push me away. How can you justify this when faith is free to all? When your faith should be actively spread? Jesus did not want seclusion of his faith, or he would not have shared it at all.

You have already refused Jesus, declaring yourself a Deist/agnostic.

Therefore, unless you want to learn of Jesus, you are against Him. We are commanded to separate ourselves from nonbelievers by God, so why would we welcome you into our Internet home?

[Christianzionist]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

How is diesm different from satanism? Sounds like two peas in a pod.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Why does it need to mean anything "to you" other than what the plain language says, which is a warning against hypocritical judgment?


You have already refused Jesus, declaring yourself a Deist/agnostic.

Therefore, unless you want to learn of Jesus, you are against Him. We are commanded to separate ourselves from nonbelievers by God, so why would we welcome you into our Internet home?

Simply having the faith and recognising yourself as Christian is separation, you've denoted yourself as different unto others. What the bible actually says is to engage in evangelism, the active spreading of your faith and it's beliefs. No matter how hardened, unfaithful or unbelieving they are. None are above redemption. Or do you believe God created some people to go to hell? That it's part of his plan for those people to suffer eternal damnation? Do you plan to neglect everyone? If so I suggest you change your Church's bannerhead from "Unsaved Welcome!" to "Unsaved rebuked and antagonized!" you'll get far more worthwhile results and less people approaching your church with the hope of reasonable conversation.

How is diesm different from satanism? Sounds like two peas in a pod.

Satanism is the worship of Satan, requiring ritual as depicted, denoted and described in the book of Satan. Deism is the worship of a god that does not conform with religion, it means no rituals or tithe's because my belief doesn't have a God that requires it. I do believe my God, whatever shape or form, is omnipotent and all-powerful, but not that he'd give us the gift of free will and then penalise us for using it.



Instead of conversing I think I'll read threads for a time. See what really goes on here.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

That is impossible; without Jesus you cannot be good because you cannot be in the Spirit, and thus, produce the Fruit of the Spirit®.

Galatians
5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Sorry, I forgot to speak about this. I understand your interpretation of this, however it does not say to worship Christianity. Those qualities can be found in people without faith. It says to me that to be whole in spirit you must pursue these qualities in yourself.

When Jesus was around Christianity was not established, after his death and resurrection it was formed. This means his teachings were not TIED to Christianity, but to anyone and everyone regardless of religious affiliation. Like I said, I believe in Jesus and his lessons, and God, all of the chapters of the KJV bible are applicable to modern life, but the teachings I've seen in many of your more pertinent threads are weighed with your own biases. Moreover a great deal of the KJV are sermons given by Jesus' own disciples and various others. They were human beings, and thus capable of making mistakes. This is why I don't believe in Christianity, too much is shaped by what humans have said, and some seem to be out of character with what Jesus' sentiments for this world were. Humans are entirely capable of error and flaw, this is why I only follow the sermons delivered only by Jesus himself. He was perfect, incapable of fallacy. His disciples were flawed, human. If you wish to cite that everyone's lives progress in accordance with God's plan for them, in the case of the disciples, then you can only say so while applying it to everyone, including homosexuals and followers of other faiths. If that follows, then God literally created people that were destined to go to hell. I refuse to believe that.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Sorry, I forgot to speak about this. I understand your interpretation of this, however it does not say to worship Christianity. Those qualities can be found in people without faith. It says to me that to be whole in spirit you must pursue these qualities in yourself.

When Jesus was around Christianity was not established, after his death and resurrection it was formed. This means his teachings were not TIED to Christianity, but to anyone and everyone regardless of religious affiliation. Like I said, I believe in Jesus and his lessons, and God, all of the chapters of the KJV bible are applicable to modern life, but the teachings I've seen in many of your more pertinent threads are weighed with your own biases. Moreover a great deal of the KJV are sermons given by Jesus' own disciples and various others. They were human beings, and thus capable of making mistakes. This is why I don't believe in Christianity, too much is shaped by what humans have said, and some seem to be out of character with what Jesus' sentiments for this world were. Humans are entirely capable of error and flaw, this is why I only follow the sermons delivered only by Jesus himself. He was perfect, incapable of fallacy. His disciples were flawed, human. If you wish to cite that everyone's lives progress in accordance with God's plan for them, in the case of the disciples, then you can only say so while applying it to everyone, including homosexuals and followers of other faiths. If that follows, then God literally created people that were destined to go to hell. I refuse to believe that.

Heretic, read your bible. Also, the scripture is of no private interpretation; it does not matter what you think that it means.

Romans
9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 2 Peter
1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Dunce!

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Of course the bible is of personal and individual interpretation. Who is to say your interpretation is the right one? You are not one of the writers, therefore you can not claim rights to it's sole and only purposed interpretation.


Yes. I am a heretic to your faith. But it doesn't instantly make whatever I say wrong. If Jesus' sayings were not to be interpreted by each person as they can, then he would have spoken them in the simplest, most straightforward, most absolute and pristine way possible. He said things the way he did for the sole reason that we are to make of it what we should. And to rely on another's interpretation when it is at odds with your own is to shirk the gifts of intellect and free will God gave us in the first place. I chose not to do so.

Jesus not once mentions Christianity. What was created from his teachings was the bible and Christianity, this does not mean Christianity is the only path to Jesus. You can believe his teachings, read his scripture and follow in his path without being of the Church. You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

[Christianzionist]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Of course the bible is of personal and individual interpretation. Who is to say your interpretation is the right one? You are not one of the writers, therefore you can not claim rights to it's sole and only purposed interpretation.


Yes. I am a heretic to your faith. But it doesn't instantly make whatever I say wrong. If Jesus' sayings were not to be interpreted by each person as they can, then he would have spoken them in the simplest, most straightforward, most absolute and pristine way possible. He said things the way he did for the sole reason that we are to make of it what we should. And to rely on another's interpretation when it is at odds with your own is to shirk the gifts of intellect and free will God gave us in the first place. I chose not to do so.

Jesus not once mentions Christianity. What was created from his teachings was the bible and Christianity, this does not mean Christianity is the only path to Jesus. You can believe his teachings, read his scripture and follow in his path without being of the Church. You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

Everything you say is wrong because it stands in rebellion to the Will of the Almighty Creator.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

Yes, the Bible clearly says what True-Christians™ have been saying to you.

To put it simply, you are in rebellion and are guilty of witchcraft!

1 Samuel
15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

When you reject the Lord's Chruch, you reject the Authority that has been appointed by Jesus.

The Offices of Ministry work in the church, you foul satanist!

Ephesians
4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Jesus tells us not to forsake going to church, heretic.

Hebrews
10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

What the bible actually says is to engage in evangelism, the active spreading of your faith and it's beliefs. No matter how hardened, unfaithful or unbelieving they are. None are above redemption.

Wrong. Only those who choose Jesus can be redeemed.

Or do you believe God created some people to go to hell? That it's part of his plan for those people to suffer eternal damnation?

That's what the Bible says, so yes.

Proverbs 16:4
The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Let's look at this logically:

God knows everything. That logically includes the future. So, He knows who will come to Him and who will not, even before he is born. Thus, God does not 'hope', since hoping for something is only possible if you don't know the outcome in advance.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 tells us that the dead are unknowing. So, you die, you're dead.

Revelation 20-21 tells us about Judgment. God will resurrect all the dead into perfect, immortal bodies. Then, He will cast all the unbelievers, and all sinners (of any type) into His Lake of Fire, where He will burn them alive for all time.

Tell me, if God didn't want to torment you forever, would He not simply leave you dead and unknowing? It's not like He has no other option to burning you alive for all time. He can do whatever He wishes!

I do believe my God, whatever shape or form, is omnipotent and all-powerful, but not that he'd give us the gift of free will and then penalise us for using it.

So you believe in a god with no rules and no laws, and which has no effect upon your life whatsoever.

So why bother?

Of course the bible is of personal and individual interpretation.

Um, no.

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Yes. I am a heretic to your faith. But it doesn't instantly make whatever I say wrong.

If it disagrees with the Bible, it is wrong.

If Jesus' sayings were not to be interpreted by each person as they can, then he would have spoken them in the simplest, most straightforward, most absolute and pristine way possible. He said things the way he did for the sole reason that we are to make of it what we should.

Please show me where Jesus said this in the Bible.

I can show you several places where He rebuked his disciples for not understanding his words, and where He also declared that only the faithful could understand, through God. Not through their imaginations.

Jesus not once mentions Christianity. What was created from his teachings was the bible and Christianity, this does not mean Christianity is the only path to Jesus. You can believe his teachings, read his scripture and follow in his path without being of the Church. You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

Um, no you can't, because you don't believe in God, and you don't believe Jesus is God.

You believe Jesus was just a man. He said very differently. You'd know this if you bothered to read the Bible.

[TheLordSavedMe]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Of course the bible is of personal and individual interpretation. Who is to say your interpretation is the right one? You are not one of the writers, therefore you can not claim rights to it's sole and only purposed interpretation.


Yes. I am a heretic to your faith. But it doesn't instantly make whatever I say wrong. If Jesus' sayings were not to be interpreted by each person as they can, then he would have spoken them in the simplest, most straightforward, most absolute and pristine way possible. He said things the way he did for the sole reason that we are to make of it what we should. And to rely on another's interpretation when it is at odds with your own is to shirk the gifts of intellect and free will God gave us in the first place. I chose not to do so.

Jesus not once mentions Christianity. What was created from his teachings was the bible and Christianity, this does not mean Christianity is the only path to Jesus. You can believe his teachings, read his scripture and follow in his path without being of the Church. You can not tell me I can't because I do right now.

Hi Tempered!

Uhm, I hate to tell you this but you're not supposed to interpret the Bible, you supposed to do what it says.

After all, it is the Word of GOD and all.

I'm sorry the other people here seem mean to you, but it's because you're a gross, disgusting sinner and they just want you to get saved!









Tammi

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Reverend Rodimer, thank you for taking the time to write an insightful reply, it is very much appreciated. I'm writing this off of my phone as we speak, so I can't use some of the forum features like the quote button. Still, bear with me:

You said in reply to me that if god did not want to torment me forever, he could just as easily find another way to deal with me (paraphrased) but if that is true then God can't be wholly good? To wish suffering on others is bad enough, but to damn them to eternal torment when he know's some will not follow him regardless seems a far throw from Good. Sufferance can make you stronger in life, of that I have no doubt, but with perspective God knows whether you're going to believe in Him or not, therefore you are damned from the moment you are conceived? Not even a chance?


I do believe in a God, and I suppose he does not have any defined rules because none have been established. This is in context to the bible which has stricture defining what you can and can not do. However that doesn't mean God has no play in my life. What I mean is that because I believe there is a greater power in the universe, it motivates me to do good and be the best that I can be. I don't feel like I can do that with Christianity. It's just a personal thing, and it may change in time, but that's how it is for me now. God is like a father figure. Constantly watching, guiding, nurturing and protecting.


I don't disagree with the bible, what I don't agree with is that there are numerous lessons in the bible, and as insightful, valuable and wonderful as they may be, a good deal were written by men, who were just as capable of being wrong as we are today. I wholeheartedly follow Jesus' writings, and I guess this sentiment arose when I took all of Jesus' sayings, just what he said, and then read them. After that I read the sayings and teachings of his disciples and followers and some *not all* of their teachings that did not stem from his seemed to be out of context with the feel of what Jesus was saying. Do you get what I mean? I read Jesus' words and felt a sentiment in them that I did not feel when reading the scripture of some of the other chapters. It feels like I'd be following the word of Jesus, and then some other guy has jumped in and said "And do this too" behind his back. I'm not portraying them as evil or bad men, I just don't feel like their word is as reliable as Jesus'.

Jesus was just a man, with the true spirit of God. If he was not, then he would not have died.




And thank you TheLordSavedMe, I understand that to all of you I am something horrible, but your words are kind none the less.

[Deaner]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Please, welcome me to the forums with an open heart.

So are you tempered enough to belive in satanist and queer churches??

Is it ok that a male has another man'n penis in your butt as long as you feel "Jesus loves me"?

You sound like a False Christian fool. You have been buggered before haven't you (voluntarily?)

Please, welcome me to the forums with an open heart.

Not a chance in hell ball boy

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Reverend Rodimer, thank you for taking the time to write an insightful reply, it is very much appreciated. I'm writing this off of my phone as we speak, so I can't use some of the forum features like the quote button. Still, bear with me:

You said in reply to me that if god did not want to torment me forever, he could just as easily find another way to deal with me (paraphrased) but if that is true then God can't be wholly good? To wish suffering on others is bad enough, but to damn them to eternal torment when he know's some will not follow him regardless seems a far throw from Good. Sufferance can make you stronger in life, of that I have no doubt, but with perspective God knows whether you're going to believe in Him or not, therefore you are damned from the moment you are conceived? Not even a chance?


I do believe in a God, and I suppose he does not have any defined rules because none have been established. This is in context to the bible which has stricture defining what you can and can not do. However that doesn't mean God has no play in my life. What I mean is that because I believe there is a greater power in the universe, it motivates me to do good and be the best that I can be. I don't feel like I can do that with Christianity. It's just a personal thing, and it may change in time, but that's how it is for me now. God is like a father figure. Constantly watching, guiding, nurturing and protecting.


I don't disagree with the bible, what I don't agree with is that there are numerous lessons in the bible, and as insightful, valuable and wonderful as they may be, a good deal were written by men, who were just as capable of being wrong as we are today. I wholeheartedly follow Jesus' writings, and I guess this sentiment arose when I took all of Jesus' sayings, just what he said, and then read them. After that I read the sayings and teachings of his disciples and followers and some *not all* of their teachings that did not stem from his seemed to be out of context with the feel of what Jesus was saying. Do you get what I mean? I read Jesus' words and felt a sentiment in them that I did not feel when reading the scripture of some of the other chapters. It feels like I'd be following the word of Jesus, and then some other guy has jumped in and said "And do this too" behind his back. I'm not portraying them as evil or bad men, I just don't feel like their word is as reliable as Jesus'.

Jesus was just a man, with the true spirit of God. If he was not, then he would not have died.




And thank you TheLordSavedMe, I understand that to all of you I am something horrible, but your words are kind none the less.

Jesus was a stickler about Old Testament law. You cannot use Him as an excuse to break God's Law.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I am just shocked that you would say we can ignore scripture because Jesus died for our sins. You are an antiChrist.

Above, Christ says that antiChrist's like you, who teach men to break even the least of His Laws, are called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. That means, your screams will cut through the acrimony of the Pit and make sweet music for His Ears.