[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I do believe my God, whatever shape or form, is omnipotent and all-powerful, but not that he'd give us the gift of free will and then penalise us for using it.

Tell me, how does your god differ from the God of Abraham and Isaac?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Tell me, how does your god differ from the God of Abraham and Isaac?

I can answer that. His is imaginary.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Tell me, how does your god differ from the God of Abraham and Isaac?

Well in all actuality I suppose the God depicted in the Torah is most similar unto my perceived God. However even there, the strictures of Judaism are binding much like other religions.

I suppose what I take to heart most from Judaism is YHWH, in that god is "one". If I look at most modern day religions and cut out the scripture placed by Men, all that is left is the word of God and there are surprising similarities in what he has directly said throughout multiple samples of religious cultures. So the implication of YHWH to me is that no matter what religion you follow, God is God, universally the same just interpreted by different people at different times in different cultures. This is why I don't support a particular recognised faith of today, too much is muddied by the words of Men that the messages of God are often forgotten, belittled or manipulated in their interpretation amongst the myriad number of other articles of faith. I shall have to work up a summary of God's direct teachings from multiple religions to compare them for scrutiny's sake.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

So are you tempered enough to belive in satanist and queer churches??

Is it ok that a male has another man'n penis in your butt as long as you feel "Jesus loves me"?

You sound like a False Christian fool. You have been buggered before haven't you (voluntarily?)

I'm tempered enough to know that Satanist and Homosexual accepting churches do exist. People do recognise Satan as an iconic figure or deity in their lives, so it's logical to assume some would worship him and his faith. As for homosexual churches, why not? Gay people can have religion too. Just ask your Ex-Gay Alex on these forums. Perhaps from your perspective you should view these churches as attempts to reform homosexuals onto the straight and narrow so to speak, rather than abominations of faith.

If I had another man's penis in my butt, I certainly wouldn't be thinking "Jesus loves me".....unless that was his name .

I never proclaimed myself as a Christian, in fact I went out of my way to proclaim myself as one not of any faith.

And no, I have not been buggered before. Not even voluntarily.

Jesus was a stickler about Old Testament law. You cannot use Him as an excuse to break God's Law.
I am just shocked that you would say we can ignore scripture because Jesus died for our sins. You are an antiChrist.

Above, Christ says that antiChrist's like you, who teach men to break even the least of His Laws, are called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. That means, your screams will cut through the acrimony of the Pit and make sweet music for His Ears.

I don't recognise the word of Man as the word of God. Therefore I don't break any of God's laws. I also never said anyone could ignore scripture *because* Jesus died for our sins. I said that I ignore some scripture because it is the word of Men as opposed to the word of God. I would never ignore the words of God and Christ themselves. If a man came into your church and proclaimed himself the voice of god, then laid out scripture saying cars are the devices of Satan himself would your then proceed to go out and destroy your and everyone else's car? I certainly wouldn't, he's just a man. If God appeared before the masses and said so I would.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

Well in all actuality I suppose the God depicted in the Torah is most similar unto my perceived God. However even there, the strictures of Judaism are binding much like other religions.

I suppose what I take to heart most from Judaism is YHWH, in that god is "one". If I look at most modern day religions and cut out the scripture placed by Men, all that is left is the word of God and there are surprising similarities in what he has directly said throughout multiple samples of religious cultures. So the implication of YHWH to me is that no matter what religion you follow, God is God, universally the same just interpreted by different people at different times in different cultures. This is why I don't support a particular recognised faith of today, too much is muddied by the words of Men that the messages of God are often forgotten, belittled or manipulated in their interpretation amongst the myriad number of other articles of faith. I shall have to work up a summary of God's direct teachings from multiple religions to compare them for scrutiny's sake.

So the stuff that resonates with you is the Word of God, but the stuff you disagree with is "muddied by the words of men"? Isn't that the essence of being clouded by bias and grandiose delusions?

Your lies are so poorly disguised, I wouldn't even call you a false prophet. A false prophet at least outwardly resembles a prophet. You are just a delusional liar.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

So the stuff that resonates with you is the Word of God, but the stuff you disagree with is "muddied by the words of men"? Isn't that the essence of being clouded by bias and grandiose delusions?

Your lies are so poorly disguised, I wouldn't even call you a false prophet. A false prophet at least outwardly resembles a prophet. You are just a delusional liar.

Yes, that is the stuff that I resonate with. The word of God, not the word of men. Unless you want to prove that men are equal unto God and perfect in every way, then their words are capable of being false, affected by bias and other cultural ordeals or conceited. That is not to say that all of the words of man are so, just that because of it's possibility I choose not to recognise them as the official word of God, just other peoples own interpretations of it and extrapolated life lessons.

If someone tells you "Soup is great" when you already know you don't like soup, does that change what you think about soup? No, you already formed your own opinion about soup. For example, the thing about Pork.

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."

[Leviticus 11:7-8]

However St. Paul said in his letter to the Roman's that all food is clean, as he beleived Jesus had removed that law.

This is just an example of where two MEN have changed things, not God directly. Why would you rely on the word of man when you have the word of God?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

So the stuff that resonates with you is the Word of God, but the stuff you disagree with is "muddied by the words of men"? Isn't that the essence of being clouded by bias and grandiose delusions?

Yes, that is the stuff that I resonate with. The word of God, not the word of men. Unless you want to prove that men are equal unto God and perfect in every way, then their words are capable of being false, affected by bias and other cultural ordeals or conceited.

I think we've got a troll on our hands, folks. Nobody is this stupid for real.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I think we've got a troll on our hands, folks. Nobody is this stupid for real.

On the contrary, plenty of people are that stupid. For real. But that is neither here nor there, here I'm trying to discuss my religious philosophy constructively in regards to yours and other members here. So far only a handful have replied courteously or logically. You personally are failing to convey your religion unto me, and instead turn to meaningless slights.

This is a discussion and possibly a debate, not a argument to throw insults around, although I respectfully accept the few mocking remarks that are actually pertinent in regards to your beliefs.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

On the contrary, plenty of people are that stupid. For real. But that is neither here nor there, here I'm trying to discuss my religious philosophy constructively in regards to yours and other members here. So far only a handful have replied courteously or logically. You personally are failing to convey your religion unto me, and instead turn to meaningless slights.

This is a discussion and possibly a debate, not a argument to throw insults around, although I respectfully accept the few mocking remarks that are actually pertinent in regards to your beliefs.

When you do things like deliberately misunderstand other people to get under their skin, that is called "trolling". If you continue to do so, you will be infracted into eternal banmation. Then you cannot get into Heaven. Is that what you want?

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

What have I misunderstood?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

What have I misunderstood?

The Holy Bible, for starters.

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

The Holy Bible, for starters.

I have a pretty firm grasp on the bible, it's not that I misunderstand it. I understand it, and choose not to follow it. There is a big difference, what I do is not based out of ignorance.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I have a pretty firm grasp on the bible, it's not that I misunderstand it. I understand it, and choose not to follow it. There is a big difference, what I do is not based out of ignorance.

No, it's based on depravity and embracing sin. Jesus says you're either with Him or against Him.

Matthew 12:30:
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

I have a pretty firm grasp on the bible, it's not that I misunderstand it. I understand it, and choose not to follow it. There is a big difference, what I do is not based out of ignorance.

So you are telling us you have made the choice to provide the soot that will cover the burnt-black walls of Hell. Ok, now what? Why are you here? Just to tell us that? What is the point?

Pastor Ed

[gareth the fool]

Re: Hello, I am Tempered.

So you are telling us you have made the choice to provide the soot that will cover the burnt-black walls of Hell. Ok, now what? Why are you here? Just to tell us that? What is the point?

Pastor Ed

Because I'm trying to understand why you so fervently believe in it. There must be a better reason than "because it says so."

I have no question in the quality of your faith in your religion, it is outstanding and remarkable - I just want to understand why. I came here asking about your religion and all I really got back was "You're a fag, Satanist scum." which to me is incredibly closed minded. Obviously that's paraphrased somewhat but you get the idea. If someone else came up to you asking about your faith, in general terms, you instantly rebuke them? I introduced myself and what I believe in right now and the majority of you just lash out with no consideration that your fine examples so far have any relevance on the outcome of whether my faith may change or not.