[Jack O'fagan]

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1 Corinthians 11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.





They can't even get the basics right


YIC


Jack

[Mary Etheldreda]

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also the bible can interpretted different ways so there is no defenitive right or wrong

The Holy Bible can be interpreted in different ways, but only when the Holy Bible is used to interpret itself is it correct. The catholic church, on the other hand, changes its mind constantly in the matters of belief and faith. Consider the following examples:

It firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the catholic church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the catholic church before the end of their lives; that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the church's sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the catholic church.

- Council of Basel Session 19, 7 September 1434 (available at http://www.piar.hu/councils/ecum17.htm)

VS.

This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.

- Vatican II, Dignitatis Humanae, 7 December 1965 (available at http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_c...umanae_en.html)

Which is it? Which pope understood God's Will and comprehended the real mechanics of justification by ignoring the Holy Bible and using his imagination to pretend the Holy Spirit is talking to him in his head?

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

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Being romanistic isn't an insult really

Not if you're from Rome and prefer to nibble on the ears of nine-year-old altar boys when mommy and daddy aren't looking.

Enjoy Hell, pasta-slurping ring-kisser!

Pastor Ed

[Yea-tho-we-walk]

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Thanks for not calling me satan's son like some of your "honorable" priests But I'm not here to turn you from christ I'm here to ask why do you allow posts like Beating your child cures autism or one that teaches you how to get your daughter raped the god friendly way to exist here

I can smell the manure of a demon a mile away and this catlic is posting straight from the pits of hell itself. Tell me, what real Christian would ever capitalise "beating" and in the same breath, not capitalise Christ and God? We're on to your satanic tricks of trying to turn us into hell bound false believers like yourself. Begone papist scum!

[Redeemed Papist]

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We are a part of christianity face it, until there is an official announcement stating that catholicism is'nt part of christianity
we're here to stay also the bible can interpretted different ways so there is no defenitive right or wrong

You can call yourself what you like, mate. You're like someone driving a Ford insisting he drives a Ferrari and giving people who look askance a hard time.

Sure, people can twist scripture but not us. We just read it. We don't ignore it and make other stuff up that sounds good while the majority of the populace can't read or even understand the dogma because it's in a different language then get all huffy when we're caught out doing it. We've nothing to hide.

[LogicalCatholic]

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You can call yourself what you like, mate. You're like someone driving a Ford insisting he drives a Ferrari and giving people who look askance a hard time.

Sure, people can twist scripture but not us. We just read it. We don't ignore it and make other stuff up that sounds good while the majority of the populace can't read or even understand the dogma because it's in a different language then get all huffy when we're caught out doing it. We've nothing to hide.

Alright just remember be tolerant of others especially when it comes to religion

[Alphonse Alban]

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Alright just remember be tolerant of others especially when it comes to religion

Jesus does not tolerate people who does not follow Him.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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Alright just remember be tolerant of others especially when it comes to religion

Please see this thread on tolerance.

[LogicalCatholic]

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Jesus does not tolerate people who does not follow Him.

Then be the one to tolerate

[LogicalCatholic]

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Please see this thread on tolerance.

I'm afraid i have a bit of a problem with sexism,child abuse,outlandish claims,homophobism, & a complete lack of religious tolerance

presented not by the good book but by people on this site.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Alright just remember be tolerant of others especially when it comes to religion

No! I won't do what you tell me. You have no right.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

God tells me what to do, not some pompous Papist with an over-inflated idea of his own authority.

[Alphonse Alban]

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Then be the one to tolerate

I am a Christian, so I'll continue following Jesus.

[Jack O'fagan]

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I'm afraid i have a bit of a problem with sexism,child abuse,outlandish claims,homophobism, & a complete lack of religious tolerance

Even more evidence that you are not a True Christian. Are you sure you are not a humanist? You really sound like one?

YIC

Jack

[Redeemed Papist]

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I'm afraid i have a bit of a problem with sexism,child abuse,outlandish claims,homophobism, & a complete lack of religious tolerance

presented not by the good book but by people on this site.

Tough! Boo hoo if you cry and whine because the Bible isn't what you dreamed it to be when you were listening to your priests. So what if you don't like what we say because you are making up God in your heart.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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I never knew a man of god could be so uncivilized
look it's just symbolic there is no possible way that we could obtain jesus's flesh & blood & calling us cannibals is a pretty distasteful thing for you to say
& why would i trust a source provided by you purely biased to your agenda
Catholicism is no worse or better than any other sect of christianity Love thy Neighbors my friend & lately you've been less than loving

Wow, you're a tough nut to crack.

The site I referenced is the CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA.

Google "Catholic Encyclopedia" and see what you get.

http://www.newadvent.org/

What source would you prefer? Perhaps the Catechism of the Catholic Church itself? Would that be good enough for you?

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a3.htm

1375 It is by the conversion of the bread and wine into Christ's body and blood that Christ becomes present in this sacrament. The Church Fathers strongly affirmed the faith of the Church in the efficacy of the Word of Christ and of the action of the Holy Spirit to bring about this conversion. Thus St. John Chrysostom declares:

It is not man that causes the things offered to become the Body and Blood of Christ, but he who was crucified for us, Christ himself. The priest, in the role of Christ, pronounces these words, but their power and grace are God's. This is my body, he says. This word transforms the things offered.

And St. Ambrose says about this conversion:

Be convinced that this is not what nature has formed, but what the blessing has consecrated. The power of the blessing prevails over that of nature, because by the blessing nature itself is changed. . . . Could not Christ's word, which can make from nothing what did not exist, change existing things into what they were not before? It is no less a feat to give things their original nature than to change their nature.

1376 The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation."

Emphasis added.

It is not "symbolic". The Protestant communion is symbolic, and is declared by the Vatican to be HERESY!

Transubstantiation is the belief that the cracker and wine literally BECOME THE FLESH AND BLOOD OF JESUS, with JESUS LIVING IN THEM.

You don't even understand the most basic doctrine of Catholicism. No wonder you don't think it's a cannibalistic cult.

Have you even gone through confirmation yet?

Declaring that the spirit is within the cracker and wine without them becoming actual flesh and blood is called "consubstantiation".

Consubstantiation is also declared HERESY by the Catholic Church:

This heretical doctrine is an attempt to hold the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist without admitting Transubstantiation. According to it, the substance of Christ's Body exists together with the substance of bread, and in like manner the substance of His Blood together with the substance of wine. Hence the word Consubstantiation. How the two substances can coexist is variously explained. The most subtle theory is that, just as God the Son took to Himself a human body without in any way destroying its substance, so does He in the Blessed Sacrament assume the nature of bread. Hence the theory is also called "Impanation", a term founded on the analogy of Incarnation.

Therefore, I can only assume you are a heretic, since you deny the most basic doctrine of Catholicism.