[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Show me where the Bible says we should disobey the direct commandment to obey secular laws.

Nice question, I'll try and answer your question later,I have to look at some scriptures.

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Show me where the Bible says we should disobey the direct commandment to obey secular laws.

Wait,you have it wrong,I just re-read your question. I'm the one that is saying that you all should obey your God's commandments,in spite of what man's laws says. This site is replete with members who profess to follow the Bible to the letter. I'm just tasking them to look critically at what some of those laws are, and see if the follow them.

Rev., if you say that the word is the literal,unassailable,truth, and that there is no ambiguity in the word, how else am I suppose to interpret that? So, if the scripture says to stone a disobedient child, that means you should do it, regardless of what man's law says.

So the point is that people have moved away from viewing the bible as the literal truth, and living there lives in such a manner.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Wait,you have it wrong,I just re-read your question. I'm the one that is saying that you all should obey your God's commandments,in spite of what man's laws says. This site is replete with members who profess to follow the Bible to the letter. I'm just tasking them to look critically at what some of those laws are, and see if the follow them.

Rev., if you say that the word is the literal,unassailable,truth, and that there is no ambiguity in the word, how else am I suppose to interpret that? So, if the scripture says to stone a disobedient child, that means you should do it, regardless of what man's law says.

So the point is that people have moved away from viewing the bible as the literal truth, and living there lives in such a manner.

Let me get this straight. You're suggesting that because none of us are such dysfunctional parents, because none of us have children who are so out of control to the point where stoning them would be justified, we're not really following the Holy Bible? The fact that True Christians™ are obedient unto the LORD and are therefore blessed with obedient children, is somehow "proof" that we're not True Christians™ and obedient unto the LORD? How do you think True Christians™ raise children? What do you think God meant when He advised the parent to discipline and correct the child?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Wait,you have it wrong,I just re-read your question. I'm the one that is saying that you all should obey your God's commandments,in spite of what man's laws says. This site is replete with members who profess to follow the Bible to the letter. I'm just tasking them to look critically at what some of those laws are, and see if the follow them.

You have a terrible reading comprehension problem. Have you considered remedial classes?

Let me try this very slowly:

The Bible, as Brother Redeemed has shown you, directly commands us to obey every secular law. 1 Peter 2:13-16

You are claiming that if we don't follow the commands that contradict secular law, we are not following God's Commands.

So, I am asking you to show me where the Bible says to ignore secular laws, which would directly contradict 1 Peter 2:13-16.

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Friend, you certainly seem to have a bee in your bonnet.

You are correct,I have zero tolerance for anybody that harms a child in this manner for any reason. And to use religion as justification for it just makes it worse. Tell me, what can a child do that they deserve to be spanked,beat,starved, or whipped to death?

Please answer this question for me, I would like to know.

Tell me, have you ever heard of secular 'doctors' misdiagnosing or providing the wrong 'medicine' to a sick person? How do you justify it?

Yes, I'm privy to these things and much worst. They happen because humans are flawed and we, "all of us", makes mistakes.

God never does any of these things.

You are correct, God never has done any of these things. How can he when he/she is a human construct.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

You are correct,I have zero tolerance for anybody that harms a child in this manner for any reason. And to use religion as justification for it just makes it worse. Tell me, what can a child do that they deserve to be spanked,beat,starved, or whipped to death?
Please answer this question for me, I would like to know.

Yes, I'm privy to these things and much worst. They happen because humans are flawed and we, "all of us", makes mistakes.

You are correct, God never has done any of these things. How can he when he/she is a human construct.

You don't know ANYTHING about God because you've never read the Bible. Oh sure, you can Google things all day long in a futile attempt to make a point, but that is never a good substitute for putting in the effort the old-fashioned way.

As far as children: did you know God sent two bears to kill over 40 children because they made fun of a man's male pattern baldness? True story (you can Google it!).

YiC,

Zech

[Born Again Bob]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Seventy,

Have a care! Only 4 posts left before your 70th and JUDGMENT IS PASSED!

Yours in Him,
bab

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

RP gave you the scripture. God tells us to follow Him. If our belief is strong enough, God wants us to follow Him IN SPITE of secular law. If the secular authorities persecute us, God has assured us we will be blessed.
Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

You really do need to actually read the Bible, you'll be a lot less foolish looking, once you follow His Word.

God:1,000,000,000,000
Seventy:0
Sorry

Ok,now I understand. I misunderstood, you are correct.

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

You have a terrible reading comprehension problem. Have you considered remedial classes?

Let me try this very slowly:

The Bible, as Brother Redeemed has shown you, directly commands us to obey every secular law. 1 Peter 2:13-16

You are claiming that if we don't follow the commands that contradict secular law, we are not following God's Commands.

So, I am asking you to show me where the Bible says to ignore secular laws, which would directly contradict 1 Peter 2:13-16.

I can read and comprehend very well, and every time you respond to me in an invidious manner you chip away at that spurious persona of you being a perfect, and "True Christian".

Now, you are correct, with this scripture. I just misunderstood,after all; I am human. I won't bother to ask if you, or anyone else if they have ever got a speeding ticket,arrested, etc. That is a thriftless task so I won't even go down that path. I won't elaborate because if you know the scripture, you know what getting arrested, or getting a ticket means.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

You are correct,I have zero tolerance for anybody that harms a child in this manner for any reason. And to use religion as justification for it just makes it worse. Tell me, what can a child do that they deserve to be spanked,beat,starved, or whipped to death?

Please answer this question for me, I would like to know.

You don't beat a child to death. There's a proper procedure to follow if you want your child dead for disobeying you. First you beat them and then if they don't behave you stone them.

Now do you see why we need proper laws? Why we have the evil among us?

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

[Born Again Bob]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Dear Friend,

I won't elaborate because if you know the scripture, you know what getting arrested, or getting a ticket means.

Yes, it's not like Jesus was ever arrested. Except in John 18:12-13, when He was.



Yours in His Dismay at You,
bab <--- has actually read the Bible

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

You don't know ANYTHING about God because you've never read the Bible. Oh sure, you can Google things all day long in a futile attempt to make a point, but that is never a good substitute for putting in the effort the old-fashioned way.

As far as children: did you know God sent two bears to kill over 40 children because they made fun of a man's male pattern baldness? True story (you can Google it!).

YiC,

Zech

You obviously don't know the Bible because it was 42 children,not 40. Are you using the mandated KJV? You using the word "over" can be any amount.

2 Kings 2:24- And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Your God said to not take away from, or add to his word. You Christians have done this too many times to count. So does this mean you are going to hell?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

You obviously don't know the Bible because it was 42 children,not 40. Are you using the mandated KJV? You using the word "over" can be any amount.



Your God said to not take away from, or add to his word. You Christians have done this too many times to count. So does this mean you are going to hell?

Is 42 less than or more than 40?

[Born Again Bob]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

Dear Brother,

Is 42 less than or more than 40?

That's not quite fair -- now poor Seventy has to round up four family members to help him count that high!

Yours in New Math,
bab

[Seventy]

Re: Why Am I Catholic

@Mary Etheldreda

Sigh....

Look Mary,no matter how many infractions you give me is not going to make you, or any one here more moral than anyone else. That is why you all have created this fake little world with you insipid rhetoric. That is why the truth hurts you specifically. I know it does because you always run to my profile and leave your little infractions as if they have power over me.

Many of you, can't, and don't survive in this new world because even your fellow Christians don't attune to your few. I alluded to it before but I will say it directly so bible bob can use his four little point. You are a second class citizen on this board. Look at what the men think and say about what your role is in society. One even said that your place is in the back of the church with your mouth shut.