[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Serious questions: when did you first reject Christ? What was the catalyst? Why have you made it your mission to drive people away from Jesus with blasphemous talk about so-called contradictions (which are not possible, btw) in the Bible?

Again, if you can't discuss things without losing your temper your posting privileges might be curtailed. You are angry with GOD, not ME.

YiC,

Zech

It is often the case when mentalist ascribe their own longings and desires to Jesus it is because of Narcicistic Personality Disorder. No wonder this woman thinks she is the pivotal point of Christianity if she places her self above the Word of Jesus.

She needs to to think less and have faith, more.

YIC

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

I faced the same question(s). It is possible, that the scriptures which tell us, that if you have The Son, you also have The Father, may hold the 'key'. If you do not have The Son, you also do not have The Father. Perhaps, if you have Jesus Christ, you also have The Lord God Almighty, and if you then have The Lord God Almighty, then you have the 'invisible' Father of The Lord God Almighty. I don't know, but I would ASSUME this to be true. Nothing else makes sense.

I'll give you another option that makes sense: You're wrong!

I, alone, was the only one that has ever asked Him for an understanding of The Trinity & The Godhead.

I doubt that. The doctrine of the Trinity has confounded many over the ages. I'm sure others have prayed on the subject.

All others used vanity. As for who I was, He answered me immediately. He simply told me, that I am who I am. I didn't dare to ask Him to 'expound' on His answer.

Are you now making a thinly-veiled claim to be God (Ex 3:14)?

Are you having a problem? All of God's Word comes from God. It does not mean, that those who heard His Word, understood it. Many of the scriptures given to us are in the form of letters, and so on, and were often written at a much later time than when they were first received. They were also written in different languages and 'interpreted' by different people.

The lists of contradictions found in the Bible that can be found on the internet, ARE TRUE. I matched them to the scriptures. Also, try matching the generations that I mentioned above. This is IN THE BIBLE...DUH!

And yet you use the Bible to support your position. What good is it if it's full of errors? How do you know the parts you're quoting are correct?

You said earlier that Num 12:6 cannot be duplicated by Satan. While none of the following passages explicitly says Satan can send false visions, they make it clear that people can experience false (or vain) visions that are not from God. Some of these passages attribute false visions to the imagination the false prophet. Prove to us your visions came from God and not your own imagination.

Eze 12:24 For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel.

Eze 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The Lord saith it; albeit I have not spoken?

Eze 21:29 Whiles they see vanity unto thee, whiles they divine a lie unto thee, to bring thee upon the necks of them that are slain, of the wicked, whose day is come, when their iniquity shall have an end.

Jer 14:14 Then the Lord said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Jer 23:16 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.

Also, God Himself has been known to deceive prophets. How do you know He hasn't deceived you?

1 Ki 22:23 Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2 Chronicles 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.

Jeremiah 4:10 Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.

Jeremiah 20:7 O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.

Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

The version of the Bible you use, the KJV, says that God is Triune. I ask you, how can you have four Persons in a Trinity?

1 Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

There are many passages in the Bible that say people have seen and heard God. Sometimes He appeared in human form (Gen 3:8; Gen 18; 32:24-30) and sometimes in other forms, such as the burning bush (Ex 3:1-2), the pillar of cloud and fire (Ex 13:21-22), and the cloud that stood with Moses (Ex 13:18-14:9). These are just a few examples. By taking passages like 1 Tim 6:16 and Jn 5:37 (you could also have added Jn 1:18; Col 1:15; 1 Tim 1:17) in isolation, you are making the Bible seem internally contradictory, something we frown upon on this forum.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

T^he scriptures are NOT 'inerrant'. There are many errors/contradictions. Many of these can be found by searching the internet for lists of them. One of the greatest errors, that goes all the way back into the OT, is the true understanding of The Trinity & The Godhead. THERE ARE 'FOUR' FIGURES,...NOT THREE!

Ah, so you are one of these pick and choose type of "Christians" who twists the perfect word of God by interpreting it according to your own selfish needs.

Think for a second how short sighted that cherry picking way of reading is. I do not only mean the bible. For example I could say that you really did not mean what you just wrote the way you wrote it, but in fact you feel totally opposite about the matter and it was just a metaphor. After all I have better knowledge about your motives and what you really mean because I just read your post.

This is exactly what you are doing with the bible. You read it, but the same time you are so arrogant, that you blaspheme against the God by saying that He really did not meant what He wrote.

Friend, here we follow the word of God, by the word, as He meant it. You really should start following it as well if you want to avoid the fiery pits of hell. It's not yet too late for you to make things right with Jesus. I will pray for you.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Why does this new person think he knows better than God?

I think he's someone pretending to be a Christian so he can make being a Christian look silly. There are people who do that, you know.

I hope he realises this will send him straight to the lake of fire.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

What an idiot! I have NOT contradicted myself. Many have seen God and heard His voice. NO MAN HAS EVER HEARD THE VOICE OF THE INVISIBLE TO MAN FATHER or SEEN HIS SHAPE AT ANY TIME.

Moses saw His back parts so you couldn't be more wrong.

Exodus 33:17-23
17And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name. 18And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. 19And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. 20And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. 21And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: 22And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: 23And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

And God is obviously speaking to Moses. Just because you aren't as special as Moses is no need to get all shouty.

[Didymus Much]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

I faced the same question(s). It is possible, that the scriptures which tell us, that if you have The Son, you also have The Father, may hold the 'key'. If you do not have The Son, you also do not have The Father. Perhaps, if you have Jesus Christ, you also have The Lord God Almighty, and if you then have The Lord God Almighty, then you have the 'invisible' Father of The Lord God Almighty. I don't know, but I would ASSUME this to be true. Nothing else makes sense...

More personal interpretation.

...I asked God why (2,000 years after Christ's resurrection) now, and why me? I also asked Him who and what I was (prophet/disciple/apostle)? He showed me in the dream...

More personal testimony.

...that I, alone, was the only one that has ever asked Him for an understanding of The Trinity & The Godhead...

Bullshit. I asked that exact question, years before you did.

...All others used vanity...

And the guy who says God revealed the answers to him, and him alone, because he was the only one, in the entire history of human kind, smart enough to ask a fairly simple question, no, he's not vain, not at all.

People who rate their own books (from a vanity publisher, no less) as "five out of five stars"? Nope, not vain.

...As for who I was, He answered me immediately. He simply told me, that I am who I am. I didn't dare to ask Him to 'expound' on His answer.

The Creator of the Universe takes time from His day to reveal knowledge to you (and only you, out of all humans ever extant), He must think you're pretty special, but you don't "dare" ask Him the obvious question that everyone else will?

Ok, then, why do you think God is making you look like a deluded idiot?

[Attila's Wife]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Didymus, you may be a crazy hippie but I'm impressed by your research skills. It is the only book he has reviewed on Goodreads (and the only one he has READ - so much for his claims to have read the Holy Scriptures) and of course he is the only reviewer.

If I may quote from the self-rated review you link to above:

The statements "History repeats itself" and "We learn from our errors" are contradictory. If we learned from our errors, then history would not repeat itself.

Man, that is DEEP!

[Adam Fag]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

I can see where you've gone wrong. You conflate the sun with the God you think you've seen.

Malachi 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

How do you explain that?

[Pastor Ed Lowman]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

I faced the same question(s). It is possible, that the scriptures which tell us, that if you have The Son, you also have The Father, may hold the 'key'. If you do not have The Son, you also do not have The Father. Perhaps, if you have Jesus Christ, you also have The Lord God Almighty, and if you then have The Lord God Almighty, then you have the 'invisible' Father of The Lord God Almighty. I don't know, but I would ASSUME this to be true. Nothing else makes sense.

I asked God why (2,000 years after Christ's resurrection) now, and why me? I also asked Him who and what I was (prophet/disciple/apostle)? He showed me in the dream, that I, alone, was the only one that has ever asked Him for an understanding of The Trinity & The Godhead. All others used vanity. As for who I was, He answered me immediately. He simply told me, that I am who I am. I didn't dare to ask Him to 'expound' on His answer.

You are an idiot and a false prophet whose busy city intersection ramblings are on par with the sickest and dirtiest that humankind has to offer.

I think you'd better leave.

"8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8-9)

Pastor Ed

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

ALL OF THE BIBLE VERSES ARE MY FAVOURITES.

Even though, according to you, they are contradictory? If you have a direct line to God, why do you even need the Bible? Why use it at all to support your position? You want us to believe your visions are infallible but that the visions of prophets and Apostles from thousands of years ago are fallible. I know which I would rather trust.

[Rev. Waynetta Kerr]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

Even though, according to you, they are contradictory? If you have a direct line to God, why do you even need the Bible? Why use it at all to support your position? You want us to believe your visions are infallible but that the visions of prophets and Apostles from thousands of years ago are fallible. I know which I would rather trust.

The Bible is in direct contradiction to much that we have discovered about the world, space and feminism. We've found out that women are just as smart, if not smarter than men and that being gay is perfectly in line with what God and Jesus want.

This relying on the Bible for what Jesus wants for us and how he wants us to live our lives is just silly. Do you really believe in Adam and Eve and a talking snake? Why not stick to what makes sense in the Bible like Jesus telling us all to love one another no matter what, rising from the dead and being there to save us all from sin?

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hello, I am new here.



Here we go...

The Bible is in direct contradiction to much that we have discovered about the world, space and feminism.

Then the things we've "discovered" are incorrect.

We've found out that women are just as smart, if not smarter than men and that being gay is perfectly in line with what God and Jesus want.

Riiiiight. That's why women are valued less (Leviticus 27:3-4) and homos should be killed (Leviticus 20:13).

This relying on the Bible for what Jesus wants for us and how he wants us to live our lives is just silly.

The KJV Bible is the ONLY source for what Jesus said and what He wants.

Do you really believe in Adam and Eve and a talking snake?

Yes!

Wait...you DON'T???

Why not stick to what makes sense in the Bible like Jesus telling us all to love one another no matter what, rising from the dead and being there to save us all from sin?

All of the Bible makes sense, DUH.

YiC,

Zech

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

This relying on the Bible for what Jesus wants for us and how he wants us to live our lives is just silly.

So you believe this guy, do you? He's getting his information from "visions," which are probably the result of wishful thinking and a vivid imagination. Would you agree there are four Persons in the Trinity? If intuition and "what you know deep down" are such reliable methods for arriving at the truth, surely you two must agree with each other.

Do you really believe in Adam and Eve and a talking snake?

Says the woman who believes in the talking monkeys of Darwin's fairy tales.

Why not stick to what makes sense in the Bible like Jesus telling us all to love one another no matter what, rising from the dead and being there to save us all from sin?

It's funny how you two keep going on about how the Bible is unscientific. One of you claims to have had visions, which is unscientific; and the other claims to believe in the resurrection, which is also unscientific. It's time you both just embrace the fact that if science contradicts the Bible, then it's science that's wrong.

[JohnGerkoff]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

It's funny how you two keep going on about how the Bible is unscientific. One of you claims to have had visions, which is unscientific; and the other claims to believe in the resurrection, which is also unscientific. It's time you both just embrace the fact that if science contradicts the Bible, then it's science that's wrong.

The Bible contradicts itself but you don't seem to think it's wrong. There must be a bit of a language barrier here, or you are just blindly ignorant.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hello, I am new here.

The Bible contradicts itself but you don't seem to think it's wrong. There must be a bit of a language barrier here, or you are just blindly ignorant.

If you can't make your points without being an offensive jerk, your posting privileges will be curtailed or revoked completely.

YiC,

Zech