[Faith_Machine]

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Harsha, dear, it's important to understand that just because I am squeamish about the idea of beating my hypothetical wife, that doesn't mean God doesn't want me to do it, if necessary.

We all are called upon to sometimes do things we find unpleasant.

Jesus doesn't want followers who praise His name, but don't carry out His will. He demands that we make ourselves instruments of His mighty wrath regardless of how it makes us feel.

Matthew 7:21

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

[Harsha Shah]

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Harsha, dear, it's important to understand that just because I am squeamish about the idea of beating my hypothetical wife, that doesn't mean God doesn't want me to do it, if necessary.

We all are called upon to sometimes do things we find unpleasant.

Jesus doesn't want followers who praise His name, but don't carry out His will. He demands that we make ourselves instruments of His mighty wrath regardless of how it makes us feel.

Yes. Mr. Machine. I am sorry for the offence. You are right and of course there are things we have to do unwillingly. Yes. If it is necessary. If. Yes. I think that you are a good person and you are able to assess if it is necessary. Your god gives you the command if necessary but if you are thinking that no, violence is not necessary and you can take care of the situation without violence. Yes. This is what I am doing at school with the children. Yes. I think you are not a worse person if you are unable to hit. On the contrary. Yes!

[Faith_Machine]

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But what if I'm unwilling to hit? What if God's instructions clearly state that I should hit my disobedient wife, and I fail to honor His wishes?

This is what I'm afraid of, and this is why I feel it behooves me to only marry a woman I'm pretty sure won't make it necessary for me to hit her.

Or just recognize the fact that I am a weak coward, and remain unmarried.

[Harsha Shah]

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But what if I'm unwilling to hit? What if God's instructions clearly state that I should hit my disobedient wife, and I fail to honor His wishes?

This is what I'm afraid of, and this is why I feel it behooves me to only marry a woman I'm pretty sure won't make it necessary for me to hit her.

Or just recognize the fact that I am a weak coward, and remain unmarried.

Yes. Mr. Machine. So sad and beautiful. You are courageous in my opinion. Yes! I found in Epistle of James something that could be nice. "But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy." I am thinking, your god needs also peaceful men of non-violence. And my religion can always embrace you. Yes. I hope everything turns out all right for you. Yes.

[Faith_Machine]

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Oh, you're very kind. But there is nothing courageous about me. Jesus is the courageous one. I am nothing more than a sinner, reaping the rewards of His sacrifice.

[LeonaSkylla]

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Oh, you're very kind. But there is nothing courageous about me. Jesus is the courageous one. I am nothing more than a sinner, reaping the rewards of His sacrifice.

the lord did not raise his hand against those who mocked him and put him on trial intends he forgave them and pilot was shocked at this and knew that he was more than just a man for this action i belive thaat you are like him in this way there are other ways to punishes your wife some times a hit will work but only if it is love.
i have a question for the pastor what if your husband sins or need you to help him, what if something he says becasue he is angry or not in his right mind in that moment how can i help him should i read the bible to him/with him

[LeonaSkylla]

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Yes. Welcome miss Skylla. I am Harsha Shah. I have been writing here a while now.

Mr. Machine. I have always noticed that you are a gentle man. Are you really happy with your religion now... Yes? I can see that you are struggling. You are hoping for a partner and you are trying to avoid all violence. I am seeing much sorrow in you. perhaps your way of life is not the correct one for you, eh? There can be other paths. You can keep your views and your bible but you could try other things perhaps? yes. Is it possible that the power structure and punishment and fear is not your way? Yes? Please, be not offended. I have been reading your posts and I am hoping you will find someone for mutual love and companionship.

Hello Harsha i am happy to be welcomed by you, and from reading the bible i dont really get a sense that wives should be beaten one of the ten commandments is do unto others as you would have them do you to, to me this means in context to wives and husbens that if one sins there should be remorse but the sinner and love shown by the other correction but love

[Jim Farmer]

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one of the ten commandments is do unto others as you would have them do you to,

Wow! Your Bible is very different to mine! Which Bible do you use, and in which book, chapter and verse is that commandment written?
In my Bible the Ten Commandments are in Exodus 20, and I can find nothing in there are "do unto others as you would have them do you to (sic)".
You can read Exodus 20 here.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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You can read Exodus 20 here.

And Pastor Rune Enoe has provided a handy breakdown of those commandments here.

[LeonaSkylla]

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Wow! Your Bible is very different to mine! Which Bible do you use, and in which book, chapter and verse is that commandment written?
In my Bible the Ten Commandments are in Exodus 20, and I can find nothing in there are "do unto others as you would have them do you to (sic)".
You can read Exodus 20 here.

Matthew 7:12 "Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets.
Luke 6:31
Do to others as you would have them do to you.


Leviticus 19:18

You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.
Romans 13:9

For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”



Ephesians 4:32

Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Matthew 5:38-40

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.



these are but some that come to mind.

[LeonaSkylla]

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My Bible is the holy bible that my lord wrote, it has the old testomint and the new testoment. both must be read and understood but the new testoment is were the Lord makes his promises for filled, the old testerment is were God tell use his prophecies and the new testerment is were he forfills some of them (him coming to earth and dieing for our sins)

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Faith Machine didn't say he would "beat" his wife Leona, but that he would "hit" her as per the wishes of our good and merciful God. When and if the Lord Jesus decides to bring Faith Machine a worthy help meet, FM would do no less than to respond to that honor by showing unflinching obedience to the Word of God (John 14:15). This includes chastising a wife, in the same manner a parent chastises a child (which is the same manner God chastises His people). This includes but is not limited to, hitting (Proverbs 22:15), striking (Proverbs 20:30), and even poison (Numbers 5:27-28). Of course if she leaves the faith of her husband, capital punishment is the Biblical response (Deuteronomy 13:7-12). This should not be confused with beating, however. Words like that simply serves to stir up emotional unrest and rebellion against an omnipotent God.

The Holy Bible says we should submit to the authorities of our husbands, as our husbands submit to the authority of the LORD (Ephesians 5:22-23). Faith Machine is explaining that even if it brings him personal, emotional distress, he will submit to the authority of the LORD, even when that calls for physical correction. He will do this because it is his duty (Ecclesiastes 12:13), and he does not question the authority of the LORD to command or compel him to act (Romans 9:20).

[Faith_Machine]

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Thank you, sister Mary. There has been too much flattery directed at me in this thread. Why, our new friend here even compared me to Jesus. I don't want God to smite me for having too high an opinion of myself!

[Jim Farmer]

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these are but some that come to mind.

But none of those passages are the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are: Exodus 20:1-17
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


Also, please note that we only use the true Word of God as in the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible.

[Basilissa]

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But none of those passages are the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are: Exodus 20:1-17
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


Also, please note that we only use the true Word of God as in the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible.

Amen, Brother Jim, AMEN!!

Leviticus 19:18

Let's not torture this verse with whatever twisted translation you are using, but let's look at it closely:

Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

It clearly says to love your own people, not some random strangers. Strangers deserve to be raped (Numbers 31:17-18), killed (Deuteronomy 20:16-18) and sold into slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46).

For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

So, in your opinion, not coveting your neigbor's ass and not killing your neighbor constitute love for him. Interesting. Your definition of love is quite peculiar.