[Jack O'fagan]

Re: I am confused...

New-born babies, completely healthy and sin free?
Dead.
Because you believe you will go to hell if you refuse?

God tells us that newborns are not as innocent as you say.

Psalm 58:3
The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

YIC

Jack

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: I am confused...

I'll get right on that, Dr. Niles.

But first I must decide whether or not I want to become an actual member of this whole "Cult" that you absent-mindedly call Christianity.
That and the threads "Cranky Old Man" started a while back, you know, the ones that always talked about how raping girls is okay, and that beating your child into a coma at random times are acceptable.

Face it. at least 75% of the stuff you post on here is criminal activity, you are nothing but sick, vile, racist, homophobic, child molesting, honorless assholes, and you speak your own opinions as if they are from the mouth of God.

You just ADMITTED that you would be willing to commit mass murder against your family, even new born BABIES, a crime punishable by - I don't even know what police do for something like that!!!!!

Just please, I ask that you think back to ALL of the posts on this website, and try really, really hard, and imagine yourself in someone else's shoes.

You would be staring into the eyes of a maniac. Someone who beats the life out of his wife and kids, or if you are a woman, you are looking into the eyes of someone who is truly broken, a slave who must watch their children get raped, and beaten alive, knowing that if you do ANYTHINGto help them, that you will get a far worse punishment.

How can any of you live with the fact that you are so blind that you believe there will be a paradise waiting for you in the afterlife, but ONLY if you live your life in agony.

Just...
Please think about that.

Friend, you seem very confused.

Where do moral come from? That's right, God.

1 John 4:8 He that loeveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

YIC

[BrotherLarry]

Re: I am confused...

Christians of Landover Baptist Church, there is a question I must ask all of you...
It is an honest question that I have pondered for quite some time, and wish for somebody to clarify for me: Why do YOU choose to discriminate others for things in which they have no control over?

By this I mean: Why is it that you hate others for being born with birth defects, like missing limbs, or the color of one's skin, or their gender?

I truly do not wish to say this as a God-mocking fool, and I mean absolutely no disrespect to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but I simply want somebody to clarify this for me, so that I can fully understand where I belong in society.

I hope that you all can forgive me if I have shown you any disrespect with this query, but I just want to know.

If I am to follow my I must then be prepared to do as He asks. It puzzles me why you would think this is so unusual. The Bible tells me:

Deuteronomy 13:4
1 Samuel 12:15
Jeremiah 7:23
Jeremiah 12:17
Acts 5:29

If you take time to learn more about our amazing you will find that He requires our devotion. As a rational male, with intellect above that of the female, it makes perfect sense for me to accept the plan of God for my life. God cared so much about ME that He devised a plan whereby His only Son would come into the world through a virgin, in a humble way, not a Four Winds Hotel nor even Motel 6, where wise men brought Him gold, frankincense, and myrrh. He grew to be despised of men but loved us just the same. He then gave His life for a few days and then emerged from the tomb and rose to Heaven where He lives and reigns by His Father, who is also Him, and He will return but He doesn't know when since only the Father knows, and the Father is also the Son but it is hidden from Jesus kind of like you would hide a Christmas present from your Son or hide the cookies because you didn't want him to eat them before supper; when He comes for us, and HE WILL COME, our mortal bodies will be changed and we will live and reign with Him forever and ever as we sing His praises and laud Him as our High Priest and Intercessor and our KING.

This all seems quite simple to comprehend when you look at it through the eyes of the Holy Spirit (who is also God and Jesus).

I pray you find Jesus.
BrotherLarry

[Didymus Much]

Re: I am confused...

...Face it. at least 75% of the stuff you post on here is criminal activity, you are nothing but sick, vile, racist, homophobic, child molesting, honorless assholes, and you speak your own opinions as if they are from the mouth of God...

But they are from the mouth of God (well, according to the Bible at least, but that's the only evidence that's been left to guide us).

You know who else believes the Bible tells the truth about God, life, the universe, and everything? Every Christian on earth. That nice little old white-haired lady down the street who goes to church every Sunday? She thinks non-virgin brides (who have been legitimately purchased) should be killed at the town gates. She thinks unwed rape victims should be forced to marry their attackers. She thinks disobedient children should be killed (especially if they're lazy or get drunk).

All those politicians who identify as Christian in order to win votes? They agree with her.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: I am confused...

Elmer G White anf Faith Machine, neither of you seem to understand my question; I asked "Why do YOU choose to do so?"

Because we have compassion. You see, we look upon the face of Our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus, and we see the pain in His Glorious Eyes. His Glorious Eyes reveal the kind of pain that only a Perfect God could feel, and that stirs our souls to compassion.

You see, He offered to sacrifice His Own Life, for three whole days, to open the Gates to Heaven so that we, a sinful, fallible species, created in a state of utter depravity, could hope to be let in (2 Peter 1:11). You cannot possibly know the pain of having to face this kind of Sacrifice. I cannot possibly know the pain of having to face this Sacrifice. We can only assume it is greater than any human could withstand, just as we can only assume that a God Sacrifice is more noble and important than a human sacrifice (even if it does appear on the surface to be simply the same thing, a thing we would naturally feel ethical repulsion if advocated today, but I digress).

A lot of unfaithful people ask us, "How hard could the sacrifice be if He knew from the very beginning He would conquer death, I mean, He is God (John 10:30), and God gave John the visions of the End Times where Jesus is Victorious (Revelation 21:1) and Satan is drop-kicked into the Lake of Fire. (Revelation 20:10)?" But knowing that the pain on the Cross would last only three hours, a fraction of the time that most women experience the pains of childbirth, and knowing that Death would be Temporary, and knowing the Satan will eventually be defeated doesn't mean the Pain He felt wasn't Infinitely Uncomfortable. While He was hanging on that Cross, He thought of me. ME! I just know He did. He thought of all the things I had done (well, would do, in his time frame anyway), He thought of all the things I would say and think and fear and hope. He saw straight into my soul and saw naught but sin and rebellion and pride and horribleness. Still He died for me. ME!

He died so that God would forget all my sins (Isaiah 44:22), so that God would see the face of Christ instead of the human face of Mary. He died so that I could be immortal, and perfect (1 Corinthians 15:42-44; Revelation 21:4), and glorified, and rule the earth come the End of Time (Revelation 5:10).

And what do these degenerates do but mock and ridicule Him. They taunt Him by flaunting their deformities as if they haven't an ounce of respect, not one iota of gratitude. They are heartless, ignoring the temporary pain of a God who was Born to be Sacrificed to appease the Divine and Righteous Wrath of a Perfect God who will not be ignored. And I don't spare one bit of pity on them. When I am sitting in Heaven next to my Jesus and we laugh at all the sinners who so cruelly rejected Him (Psalm 2:4), I won't even tip a single drop of water down to them as they look up from the Fiery Pits of Hell because I know they would take that drop of water and spit it into an aborted fetus' eye, so forcefully do they hate all that is good in the world!

I hate all those who hate my Lord. I hate them because He hated them first. I hate them because they have heard the Good News and decided to hang on to their repulsive sins, offending the Lord God at every turn, refusing to capitulate to the demands of their Creator as is His Divine Right (Romans 9:20-21). I hate all those who hate Love and Mercy and Goodness, for they are evil and seek to do evil (John 8:44). They make my Sweet Redeemer Weep. I hate them because I have compassion. I know who is the real victim here:

[Basilissa]

Re: I am confused...

"We do not choose. Jesus chooses for us."

So if it said in the Bible (King James or Original) that you should kill your entire family, every last leaf on your family tree, you would do it?

This is an honest and simple question.

Oh dear. You seem to have a very false idea about God. You seem to think that God is an irrational being; while in reality, God is the most rational being in the universe!

God wouldn't just say "go and kill everybody" for no apparent reason. While there are in the Bible instances of God ordering to kill own family (Exodus 32:27-28, Deuteronomy 13:6-10, Judges 11:30-40), God always has always has a good reason to do so. Or, sometimes God just plays with a faithful man, to test the limits of his faith (Genesis 22:1-13).

New-born babies, completely healthy and sin free?
Dead.
Because you believe you will go to hell if you refuse?

As it has been already kindly explained to you, babies are not born free of sin. In fact, God enjoys when heathen babies' heads get smashed into rocks (Psalm 197:9).

Well, what if it says your family will be guaranteed to burn in hell fire for all of eternity, and you still have to live your life, knowing your family is burning because of you?

How would that be because of us? It's God's decision who burns and who doesn't, not ours.

But first I must decide whether or not I want to become an actual member of this whole "Cult" that you absent-mindedly call Christianity.

How else would you define Christianity, if not by following the Holy Bible - the only sacred text of the Christian faith?

That and the threads "Cranky Old Man" started a while back, you know, the ones that always talked about how raping girls is okay, and that beating your child into a coma at random times are acceptable.

What part of "IT'S IN THE BIBLE" don't you understand?

Face it. at least 75% of the stuff you post on here is criminal activity,

How is free speech a criminal activity?

you are nothing but sick, vile, racist, homophobic, child molesting, honorless assholes, and you speak your own opinions as if they are from the mouth of God.

Given that the Bible is the only source of our knowledge about God - yes, they are directly from the mouth of God.

You just ADMITTED that you would be willing to commit mass murder against your family, even new born BABIES, a crime punishable by - I don't even know what police do for something like that!!!!!

Oh, I do have a response for you, sweetie: nothing.

Just please, I ask that you think back to ALL of the posts on this website, and try really, really hard, and imagine yourself in someone else's shoes.

Why would we even want to do that? Why would a normal person want to look at the world from a blind person's perception? It's not our fault that heathens insist on not seeing the Truth!

You would be staring into the eyes of a maniac. Someone who beats the life out of his wife and kids, or if you are a woman, you are looking into the eyes of someone who is truly broken, a slave who must watch their children get raped, and beaten alive, knowing that if you do ANYTHINGto help them, that you will get a far worse punishment.

How can any of you live with the fact that you are so blind that you believe there will be a paradise waiting for you in the afterlife, but ONLY if you live your life in agony.

Just...
Please think about that.

Why?

We know what God wants.
We follow what God wants.
Why should we abandon our (correct) way of seeing the world and adopt a different (false) way of doing it?

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: I am confused...

But first I must decide whether or not I want to become an actual member of this whole "Cult" that you absent-mindedly call Christianity.

Mr. Johnson, I understand your doubts, as I am in a sort of similar place with my own faith. However, your anger towards this particular congregation is rather unjustified.

One, this congregation is more honest than any other Christian denomination that I've ever heard of. All Christian churches claim to see the Bible as the root of their beliefs, as the Word of God Himself: yet, most churches ignore large parts of the Bible. When I was younger, I thought that maybe the problem was with the Old Testament - I imagined that it was somehow a corrupted/less important text, and that the New Testament somehow wiped out God's cruelty towards His creation: cruelty which oozes from every page of the OT. However, a careful reading of the NT shows that it is not the case - the NT God is still as cruel as the OT God.

Two, even if you are able to build a wall between the "nice" parts of the Bible and the "ugly" majority of it, there is still the little matter of history. Most if not all of Christian denominations are or were at some point involved in some sort of oppression of certain groups of people. That's roughly 1700 years of exploitation, slavery, and genocide, all easily justifiable by Christian beliefs.

There are three logical explanations of why all that ugly history has happened: 1) God enjoys all that slaughter done in His name, as sort of human sacrifice; 2) God does not care about humans, He just gave us some random rules and coldly observes our behavior, like a scientist watching rats in a lab experiment; 3) there is no God at all.

I really don't want to believe in options 2 nor 3 - that would mean that millions of people tortured/were tortured, exploited/were exploited, and killed/were killed for nothing!...

It just cannot be true, can it?...

Just...
Please think abut that!