[Thorjohn]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

You laugh now. I have a bit over thirty children. Most are married now. It was not until the youngest was 15 or so that I was able to have him manages the little ones. But now they all do work on the farm. Now I get the chuckle.

Well, since I have to be both a mother and a father to my boys, work and take care of our home, I think three children is enough. And my oldest son helps taking care of his brothers.

And they get to know about God, even if I´m not christian myself, their mother was, a pentagostal-christian. I promised her to give our boys a christian upbringing, but I´m having real problems beliving in the christina God, to be perfectly honest.

There are so many things that doesn´t add up. But a promise is a promise. They´r aunt takes them to church every sunday...

[James Hutchins]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

Well, since I have to be both a mother and a father to my boys, work and take care of our home, I think three children is enough. And my oldest son helps taking care of his brothers.

And they get to know about God, even if I´m not christian myself, their mother was, a pentagostal-christian. I promised her to give our boys a christian upbringing, but I´m having real problems beliving in the christina God, to be perfectly honest.

There are so many things that doesn´t add up. But a promise is a promise. They´r aunt takes them to church every sunday...

What happened to their mother? Did she fall down a well? That happened to my first two wives. I have capped the well since.

Well, Pentecostal is not Christian, more of a Devil worshiping bunch (notice how the name sounds like 'Pentagram', the sign of the Devil?)

You do not have to 'believe in God'. God is our Heavenly father. He just is. He is the creator. You need to spend time and really read the Bible to see what kind of a swell entity God truly is. Everything He wants you to do, all behavior and ways to think are clearly and simply spelled out in the King James 1611 Bible. Read it and know, God wants you to follow his rules, all of them. You will find your solution to be very simple then.

[Thorjohn]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

What happened to their mother? Did she fall down a well? That happened to my first two wives. I have capped the well since.

Well, Pentecostal is not Christian, more of a Devil worshiping bunch (notice how the name sounds like 'Pentagram', the sign of the Devil?)

You do not have to 'believe in God'. God is our Heavenly father. He just is. He is the creator. You need to spend time and really read the Bible to see what kind of a swell entity God truly is. Everything He wants you to do, all behavior and ways to think are clearly and simply spelled out in the King James 1611 Bible. Read it and know, God wants you to follow his rules, all of them. You will find your solution to be very simple then.

She died from a heartfailiure five years ago. Something she was born with.

You think the Pentagostal preaching is Devilish? I went to a Christian assembly with my wife in 2003 in France. There were people from all over the world, including many Americans. What I could understand then, was that the Baptist and the Pentagostal churches were like some kind of a sibling churches. Once there, I went to both baptist and pentagostal gatherings, and to tell you the truth, I saw little, if any difference between the two. Mabye it was that the pentagostals talk more of the Holy Spirit, I don´t know...

[James Hutchins]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

If you think a little boy and a little girl are the same, then I have deep concerns here. Many religions use the basis of the KJV and Baptist works and then they cut out the meat and potatoes, leaving you with the fluffy puff pasty of Gods word. Not a diet for Christians, by any means.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

She died from a heartfailiure five years ago. Something she was born with.

You think the Pentagostal preaching is Devilish? I went to a Christian assembly with my wife in 2003 in France. There were people from all over the world, including many Americans. What I could understand then, was that the Baptist and the Pentagostal churches were like some kind of a sibling churches. Once there, I went to both baptist and pentagostal gatherings, and to tell you the truth, I saw little, if any difference between the two. Mabye it was that the pentagostals talk more of the Holy Spirit, I don´t know...

Don't be absurd. Pentecostals is a snake cult for ignorant, poorly educated American who want to scream at people in an unintelligible way. No TRUE Christian™ would associate with that sort.

[Thorjohn]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

Well, mabye I have another perspective on this than you guys. I mean - to me, looking for the "right" church of God, is like standing in a fishmarket. Every salesman wants me to by their fish, because their fish is of course the best one in the place.

But how am I to know? To me all the dead fish looks the same, smell similarly and probably taste the same. And there are too many salesmen for me to taste all the fish at the market.

If you were one of the salesmen in this place, you would of course be convinced that your fish was the only true product, all the other fishes would only cause me a bad stomach.

I will continue sending my boys with their aunt to the Pentagostal church on Sundays. And if God truly exist, he will, when the time comes, judge whether your church or any other is right.

If he will judge the Icelandic Pentagostal church wrong, well - there isn´t too far for its members to the Gate, is there?

[Thorjohn]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

It's very simple. Just read the Bible. We adhere to it. They don't.

Just check out the truth of the Pentecostal (false) church.

Pentecostal MADNESS!


United Pentecostal Churches EXPOSED!


CHARISMATIC CHAOS!

Assemblies of God Heresies


The Charismatic Movement is Dangerous!

Speaking in Tongues EXPOSED!


False Religions EXPOSED!

BEWARE of The Foursquare Church!


Pentecostalism is of the Devil

The Charismatic Movement

-1st Corinthians 14:23); Pentecostalism is of the Devil · Ten Problems with the Present-Day ... Pentecostal Movement History and Roots (chronological chart) ...



People like you should have your children taken away from them, and you should be put in prison. What kind of parent does not care that his children are going to hell? You sound like a very sick, sad person

Neither am I sick or sad Mr. Basher. And I would be the first man to thank the Christian God for that, if I truly truly belived that He existed. Having said that, I do not consider myself an atheist. I do belive in some kind of a Creator. When I look up into the baautiful night sky, I tend to think, that if any God exists at all, He must be much much bigger than all religions and faiths here on this tiny little planet, in the middle of nowhere.

In that context, both Jahve, Jesus, Allah, Mohammed, Buddha and all the others, seem so irrelevant in this huge scale of things. But to think that the Universe came to existence all by itself for no reason, like many scientists belive, is stupid.

What you call Hell, I call the Earths core. Like billions of other rocky planets in the Universe, our planet has this hot core. Otherwise we wouldn´t be able to walk on the surface like we do.

On daily bases I do not fear Hell. Nor do I belive my sons will spend eternity there. I´m sure you will disagree with me on that one Mr. Basher, but so be it. And being an Icelander, and with your God hating my country, and having stolen all our money, what could I possibly do? And WHY would I have any reason to follow Him or embrace Him? Would you do that with someone that you knew hated you and had stolen all your money?

[Cranky Old Man]

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In that context, both Jahve, Jesus, Allah, Mohammed, Buddha and all the others, seem so irrelevant in this huge scale of things. But to think that the Universe came to existence all by itself for no reason, like many scientists belive, is stupid.

So according to you both religion and science are wrong? Are you an i-dont-know-anything-ist?

Sounds to me you won't enjoy the unlimited sinning of an Atheist and you will also burn in Hell for all eternity. Your picture must be next to "ignorant" in the encyclopedia.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

On daily bases I do not fear Hell. Nor do I belive my sons will spend eternity there. I´m sure you will disagree with me on that one Mr. Basher, but so be it. And being an Icelander, and with your God hating my country, and having stolen all our money, what could I possibly do? And WHY would I have any reason to follow Him or embrace Him? Would you do that with someone that you knew hated you and had stolen all your money?

Look, you have NO right to question God! He is always right because He is more powerful than you. Just look at the story of Job. God let Satan take away all of his money and material possessions, destroy his house, give him a horrible disease that disfigured him, and killed all of his children, and yet Job still praised God. Because, you have NO choice but to love him. Otherwise, you are going to hell.

[Thorjohn]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

So according to you both religion and science are wrong? Are you an i-dont-know-anything-ist?

Sounds to me you won't enjoy the unlimited sinning of an Atheist and you will also burn in Hell for all eternity. Your picture must be next to "ignorant" in the encyclopedia.

There is nothing wrong with not knowing something. If you don´t know you just don´t. Rather simple, right?

And I would, if I had a concentradet will to do so, live in all the unlimited sin in the world. But I choose not to live like that. I´m sure you disagree with me on this, but according to my belives, God has no patent on ethics. I do not steal, kill, or rape, and I´ve never needed no higher power to tell me that.

[Thorjohn]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

Look, you have NO right to question God! He is always right because He is more powerful than you. Just look at the story of Job. God let Satan take away all of his money and material possessions, destroy his house, give him a horrible disease that disfigured him, and killed all of his children, and yet Job still praised God. Because, you have NO choice but to love him. Otherwise, you are going to hell.

According to the Bible, God created us in His image, and with a free will. Actually, if the Christian God created us at all, free will would proof that He was a loving Creator, wouldn´t it?

So, with my free will, I can choose to follow Him or not. And than I would be in the full right to question everything about him, his Bible, his followers and all that.

And the story of Job. I have BIIIG trouble beliving that such a Creator as God would be in any need to test our loyalty all the time. And use such a cruel method to do it. Sounds like an insecure husband to me, sorry...

[James Hutchins]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

Well, mabye I have another perspective on this than you guys. I mean - to me, looking for the "right" church of God, is like standing in a fishmarket. Every salesman wants me to by their fish, because their fish is of course the best one in the place.

But how am I to know? To me all the dead fish looks the same, smell similarly and probably taste the same. And there are too many salesmen for me to taste all the fish at the market.

If you were one of the salesmen in this place, you would of course be convinced that your fish was the only true product, all the other fishes would only cause me a bad stomach.

I will continue sending my boys with their aunt to the Pentagostal church on Sundays. And if God truly exist, he will, when the time comes, judge whether your church or any other is right.

If he will judge the Icelandic Pentagostal church wrong, well - there isn´t too far for its members to the Gate, is there?

Good question. Lets step back for a second and think about it.

The goal is to find the one religion that is honest and true. I think we can all agree that God made the Heavens and the Earth. He is our Father. So what kind of a person is a Father. For starters:
He is stern
He is opinionated
He is responsible
He is direct, to the point
He is guiding/teaches
He is inclusive/does not skip the tough questions.

Now, you can compare Bibles, compare teachings of various 'Churches'. This can take years. You can look to the newspapers. Does the local.'Church' have an 'open door policy'? If so, it is a false 'Church'. Does it follow the entire Bible, even the not so fun parts? If not, it is ignoring the Word of God and therefore is a false 'Church'. Can you see where I am going? You need to figure out what is the Word of God and who follows it, without deviation or interpretation.
I will tell you, it is near universally accepted that the KJV Bible is accepted as an accurate word of Jesus Christ and his Disciples. I will also tell you that the Baptists follow the Bible exactly as God had it written. I have never in my 53 years, found another group that lays it all on the line like the Baptists do.
Some Churches had behind smoke and mirrors (joos and catlicks for example).Others by making outlandish promises like mooslimes and their rivers of honey and 72 virgins. How absurd, do you know how many nine year old girls would have to die to supply every male with that? Total genocide! And I can assure you, there are no bees in Heaven.
So think. You are obviously an intelligent man, capable of analyzing things. Being you have been exposed to the absurd teachings of the petacostals, read the KJV, find out what God is really trying to tell you. It is a real eye opener.
Please, do not risk your Salvation(c) on a chance. Find out and know before it is too late. I beg of you.

YIC
JH

[James Hutchins]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

According to the Bible, God created us in His image, and with a free will. Actually, if the Christian God created us at all, free will would proof that He was a loving Creator, wouldn´t it?

So, with my free will, I can choose to follow Him or not. And than I would be in the full right to question everything about him, his Bible, his followers and all that.

Absolutely. God wants you decide on your own. To decide, you have to question.

And the story of Job. I have BIIIG trouble beliving that such a Creator as God would be in any need to test our loyalty all the time. And use such a cruel method to do it. Sounds like an insecure husband to me, sorry...

I do not consider it a test, rather a proof of commitment. Just like getting married. You can love your wife and you can go the extra step and prove that love by getting married. It should not nor does it change your love for her, it only provides additional proof, proof your wife can carry with her. My wife is Mrs. J. E. Hutchins. Before I married her she was Miss Elma G. Raye.

[Thorjohn]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

Well, we can agree on that God created the Universe. But if it was Jahve/Jesus/Holy Spirit, or if it was some kind of a different creator, is another question.

What do you mean by "open church policy?" I thought all churces were "open." By that I mean open to new members. Isn´t it one of the cornerstones in Christianity to make all nations Jesus disciples? Wasn´t that one of Christs last commands, before he left for the Heavens?

And another question: What I have learned of Christianity (mostly from my wife) is, that the word "testament" means a "deal." A deal between God and men. Then the new deal (not to be confused with one made by FDR ) would be the "legal deal" between God and men.

That would include, that instead of "tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye" policy, we should embrace things like forgiveness and give the other cheek, when someone attacks us, right?

I´m not a Christian, but what I feel is, that the American Christians are different from their European brothers and sisters. The American Christians having more "militant" approach to their faith than the latter. Personally I don´t think it has so much to do with the Bible, rather your nationality.

At the same time I´ve been writing on this board, I´ve been trying to read theese 245 pages of God hating Iceland. I don´t know if you all belong to the same parish or not, but reinstitute slavery??? Are those guys joking? And if not, why on earth would God hate Iceland? Whiter and more blue eyed people is hard to find on the planet, myself included. But to go hating blacks, is a long shot. At least for me...

[Thorjohn]

Re: God Hates Iceland!

I spend every day of my life spreading the Word to people I meet in real life and all over the world via the internet. I've never met another church whose members spent as much time talking about Jesus to every single person they can meet.

Why not read this wonderful little thread here? Why do we Have an "Unsaved Not Welcome" Policy?

"
The future of Christianity rests in the protection of a people to practice their religion in a safe environment. When unsaved folks are about, the environment becomes "unsafe." Why would an unsaved person want to go to church anyway? To do bodily harm to the people of God? To cause dissension within the body of Christ? To steal something? Church is not a place for unsaved people. It is a place for Christians to gather and be edified in Bible teaching. It is a place for Christian worship and fellowship. An unsaved person wouldn't feel comfortable in Church. They shouldn't - for does the Devil feel free to bask in the sweet light of God's glory? Nay! If you want to get someone saved, do it outside of the church. It's called 'evangelism.' We are tired of being criticized for our Godly policies! We evangelize over 50,000 souls a month outside our church! There is absolutely no reason for an unsaved person to be in church (the only exception would be janitorial, funeral, or matrimonial attendance). "

Jesus asks us to spread the word, He does not tell us to continually congregate with sinners.


Matteusarguðspjall 10:14Og taki einhver ekki við yður né hlýði á orð yðar, farið þá úr því húsi eða þeirri borg og hristið dustið af fótum yðar. 15Sannlega segi ég yður: Bærilegra mun landi Sódómu og Gómorru á dómsdegi en þeirri borg.


Jesus tells us to depart from the unsaved and not look back. We only invite people into our church who have heard the word and received it. And also:



íðari Kroníkubók 19:2Þá gekk Jehú sjáandi Hananíson fyrir hann og mælti til Jósafats konungs: "Hjálpar þú hinum óguðlegu og elskar þú þá, er hata Drottin? Sakir þessa liggur á þér reiði Drottins.


Síðara bréf Páls til Kori 6:14Gangið ekki undir ósamkynja ok með vantrúuðum. Hvað er sameiginlegt með réttlæti og ranglæti? Hvaða samfélag hefur ljós við myrkur? 15Hver er samhljóðan Krists við Belíar? Hver hlutdeild er trúuðum með vantrúuðum?
16Hvernig má sætta musteri Guðs við skurðgoð? Vér erum musteri lifanda Guðs, eins og Guð hefur sagt: Ég mun búa hjá þeim og ganga um meðal þeirra, og ég mun vera Guð þeirra, og þeir munu vera lýður minn.
17Þess vegna segir Drottinn: Farið burt frá þeim, og skiljið yður frá þeim. Snertið ekki neitt óhreint, og ég mun taka yður að mér



Fyrsta bréf Jóhannesar 2:15Elskið ekki heiminn, ekki heldur þá hluti, sem í heiminum eru. Sá sem elskar heiminn, á ekki í sér kærleika til föðurins.


There's more I can post, if you are interested.




The New Testament refers to Jesus dying on the cross to forgive the sins of Christians all over the world, whereas the Old Testament was only for the Israelites. That is the only difference.

Luke 22: 20Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.


Hebrews 9: 15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


Jesus in fact said that the Old Testament was binding forever, except for the ceremonial laws, which were fulfilled through his death (see the Book of Hebrews for more info on this).

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;


Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.


James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.


Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


There are more quotes I can post if you are interested.


As for the eye for an eye stuff. In the Old Testament, that is talking about being punished in a court of law after a trial. In the New Testament, Jesus is talking about how to act to people on a personal basis. As individuals, we should not seek revenge. We should use the legal system.





Yes, and that's why Europe is becoming an increasingly secular society. That's why Europe has the highest percent of atheists in the world. That's why church attendance is so low in Europe. That's why sin is so acceptable in Europe. Europeans are not practicing Christianity like they should, and now most of your people don't even have any religion.



What's so bad about slavery? God allows slavery in the Bible. If it was a sin, why did God never say so?



So you are saying Icelanders are good people because they are white?! We do not allow racism like that on here!

I tend to see the old testament as the jewish Bible, the Tora (or what ever they call it), and the new testament referring to Christianity. It is really hard to combine those two.

I´ve never felt bad going to church. And I´ve been to a baptist mass, even if it was in France (one of the most secular societies in the world). There were many Americans there anyway, and I didn´t see them complain. To a non Christian like me, to be in this true house of God, felt the same as to stay in any other houses.

And my purpose here is not to steal or weaken your faith. If your faith is built on a strong fountain, why would you be afraid of me, beiing an unsaved trash (as I´m listed on this forum)? I would rejoice an oppertunity like having a discussion with an unsaved, if I was Christian. I would see it as an oppertunity to strengthen my faith.

Yeas, at least we can agree on, that Europe is more secular than USA. But still we have less poverty because of a better welfare system (that´s different between countries though), at least in the Scandinavian countries. We have much less crimerate, but still no Europian country have death sentence, and in Scandinavia, a life in imprisonment means that you will never spend more than 16 years in prison.

I would then argue, that Scandinavinan countries were practicing the words of Jesus, that is to take care of the least of his children, and beiing forgiving.

Regarding slavery: Jesus was walking, talking and preaching his words in a society where slavery was a fact. That´s why you have to look at it in a historic context. If you take every word in the Bible litterarly, the office of your presidency would have to be abolished - the Bible only mention kings. Would you like to make Mr. Barack Hussein Obama your king? Or anyone of the Bush-dynasty?