[A Follower]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

I agree with you Alphonse.

Good so far...

You (quite strongly) slander Estonia, UseYourBrainPls (who evidently lives in Estonia) happened to read this and took it as an insult. He/she then pointed out that it is not nice to insult, and made another remark (which was justified, to be honest), which you then took as an insult.

Not so good anymore...

How is assembling a list of facts on Estonia slander? Slander requires a lie first. Second, how, if it were slander on Estonia, is it relevant to UseYourBrainPls? It's his choice to live in Estonia, if he doesn't agree with evil than he should either bring his fellow Estonians to God or he should leave the country. He can't just go around ignoring the evil there by shouting insults at others, hoping it will stop him from hearing the Truth™ about himself.

[Didymus Much]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Learn something from the Bible?...

Yes. Number 1 would be learning what the Bible actually says (most "Christians" either don't have a clue or will flat out deny half of it).

...Also, this old book is denying the fundamental physics and many other things...

And when they come up with a Grand Unified Theory that actually works, every book printed previously will be wrong. So don't read anything until then.

Great plan.

... - this book is not for me. I'm not going to read lies - this won't give me anything!

How do you know that until you've read it?

Just keep calling everyone else "closed-minded". You'll win!

[JustPassingBy]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Anyway, are you going to answer to my previous reply to you (this post)?

I'm sorry, I assumed that your questions where rhetorical.
I can read critically in 3 languages, generally understand a few more.
I am familiar with what a hypothesis is. While I'm not an expert in anthropology and linguistics, in science the 'hierarchy' usually goes from hypothesis to theory to scientific fact. I don't know the rigor required to elevate one to another in humanitarian sciences, but I guess I implicitly assumed that the idea we were talking about was a hypothesis.

To A Follower:
Okay, I'll rephrase slightly. The 'flavour' some of the connoisseurs of Estonian culture in this thread add to their posts is considered rude by those who don't follow your particular code of conduct. In other cases, some members of your congregation seem to be extremely misinformed, so maybe they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[JustPassingBy]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

A few more remarks. First, A Follower, it is in very bad taste to quote out of context.

And when they come up with a Grand Unified Theory that actually works, every book printed previously will be wrong. So don't read anything until then.

This is actually a common misconception I'll happily remedy. A grand unified theory (GUT) is expected to be in accordance with all of the previous theories - simply expanding our understanding and hopefully offering us 'clues' of where to look next. If a new theory (that is justified) actually overthrows a previously established one (a very exciting event!) then it truly is, dare I say, Godsent.

[A Follower]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

A few more remarks. First, A Follower, it is in very bad taste to quote out of context.

The context is on this very same page. You can't have read my post before reading the context. My post even links to his post. And even then, I didn't leave out anything important.

Stop hating on us Christians for following the path God has laid out for us, stop your slander, stop your hatred, stop your lies, stop your evil, stop your sins, stop everything you do now and come to Jesus. Start being a good person like me or any of my brothers in Christ. You know deep in your heart that that's what you really want.

[Basilissa]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

I'm sorry, I assumed that your questions where rhetorical.
I can read critically in 3 languages, generally understand a few more.

So we are in the same boat, more or less - when we want to read something that is written in one of the 5000+ languages we don't speak, we have to rely on translations - and therefore we have to trust these translations are correct - and therefore we have to assume that the ideas you were mentioning in this post are false.

I am familiar with what a hypothesis is. While I'm not an expert in anthropology and linguistics, in science the 'hierarchy' usually goes from hypothesis to theory to scientific fact. I don't know the rigor required to elevate one to another in humanitarian sciences, but I guess I implicitly assumed that the idea we were talking about was a hypothesis.

Well, so now you know that Sapir-Whorf hypothesis belongs in the large pile of discarded/disproved hypotheses. Since you are not an expert in neither anthropology nor linguistics, I would advise you not to talk about issues belonging to these disciplines. In my case, my knowledge of (for example) astrophysics is extremely limited, so you won't find me formulating statements about cold dark matter and stuff like that.

[JustPassingBy]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

when we want to read something that is written in one of the 5000+ languages we don't speak, we have to rely on translations

I agree. I was just interested in the case when the source is "divine", then how would successive interpretations succeed in preserving its initial 'essence'.

... and therefore we have to assume that the ideas you were mentioning in this post are false.

As long as it doesn't change the way I live my daily life, I don't assume that something is absolutely 'true' nor completely false. It's just another piece of knowledge that's nice to know.

Well, so now you know that Sapir-Whorf hypothesis belongs in the large pile of discarded/disproved hypotheses.

I am sincerely interested in the source of this.

Since you are not an expert in neither anthropology nor linguistics, I would advise you not to talk about issues belonging to these disciplines. In my case, my knowledge of (for example) astrophysics is extremely limited, so you won't find me formulating statements about cold dark matter and stuff like that.

The world would be quite a boring and dull place if everyone only talked about their area of expertise.
Learning takes place when people ask questions and discuss novel ideas. I encourage you to explore astrophysics as well (even formulate some statements to be discussed). Ask something from me, if you wish - I have a working knowledge in the topic.

You seem to be quite open-minded and a nice person, Basilissa.

[NotUsingBrain]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Oh my god (this is commonly used expression aka omg, this has nothing to do with believing the "god"), stop making silly excuses and answer to my questions. What is the reason of this topic and what do you want to achieve?

Friend, about time Jesus made you come to this forum. You have lot to learn.

Not excactly. I was searching for something on the Internet using the Google search engine. I typed in "why" and it prompted some predictions (Google autocomplete), the first result was "why god hates estonia", other results were also weird ones... It was the Google search engine that made me come here. I'm pretty sure that Jesus is not a computer.


Also, what is the point of these silly forum awards?
Let me guess, my next award will be something like Satan's son or Hitler's emoticon.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

What is the reason of this topic and what do you want to achieve?

It is exactly what is say, reason is to spread the Christianity. It's working really well, since people even from third world countries are flocking to this Godly forum.

Not excactly. I was searching for something on the Internet using the Google search engine. I typed in "why"

Yes, and it was Jesus who made you type that random "why" without a reason. Ever since that first "why" power of Jesus has made you to return time after time.

GLORY!

Let me guess, my next award will be something like Satan's son or Hitler's emoticon.

You have earned your awards with your actions and abilities. Perhaps in future your actions will earn you another medal, perhaps not. It's up to you, friend.

[NotUsingBrain]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

It is exactly what is say, reason is to spread the Christianity. It's working really well, since people even from third world countries are flocking to this Godly forum.

Are you calling me as a Third World citizen?

Yes, and it was Jesus who made you type that random "why" without a reason. Ever since that first "why" power of Jesus has made you to return time after time.

It was my teacher who wanted me to search for the history of WW1, it has nothing to do with Jesus. I'm visiting this site because I want to know why you and Jesus's slaves have to post some idiotic "facts" about a country that you have never been to.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Are you calling me as a Third World citizen?

Well, you are from Estonia after all.

It was my teacher who wanted me to search for the history of WW1, it has nothing to do with Jesus.

You don't believe in that even yourself, of course it was Jesus making you to come to this forum and He makes you come back again and again. Ever wondered why you are so curious about this forum that you can't stay away even for a day? It's the power of Jesus!

We have had already almost 10% of whole Estonian population coming here to read this thread. We can pretty much exclude everyone under 14 and everyone over 55 from this number, so it's already about every fourth Estonian adult that has received the message of Jesus through this Godly thread. So far we have had people mostly coming in from Tallinn and just now I was praying that Jesus would send in people also from smaller villages of Estonia. Not a day later, He send you here.

GLORY!

about a country that you have never been to.

Don't be silly. I have been in Estonia many times. If you would have actually read this thread, you would know this. Many of us have been all over the world.

[Basilissa]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

I agree. I was just interested in the case when the source is "divine", then how would successive interpretations succeed in preserving its initial 'essence'.

Just think about it. The Holy Bible is the Word of God, a manual of how to behave and how not to behave. Bad translation can lead to erroneous behavior, which leads to eternal damnation. God wouldn't want us allto go to Hell, otherwise, He wouldn't have given us the Holy Bible in the first place. Therefore, God Himself made sure that the KJV translation is 100% truthful to the original.

I am sincerely interested in the source of this.

That's awesome!
Here is a couple of articles you could start with:
John A. Lucy, Linguistic Relativity, Annual Review of Anthropology, Vol. 26 (1997), pp. 291-312. It talks about methodological difficulties of proving this hypothesis empirically.
Phillip Wolff and Kevin J. Holmes, Linguistic Relativity, Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Cognitive Science, Volume 2, Issue 3, pages 253–265, May/June 2011. It has more broad critique.

A very short summary (oversimplified) of some of the lines of critique:

http://learning.covcollege.ac.uk/content/NLN/Area_Studies,_Cultural_Studies,_Languages,_Literature/Languages/epic_FK2_Language%20and%20ideology,%20Political%20correctness/html/sr_en0102_040.htm

and a google scholar listing of other articles on the subject:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...ed=0CCgQgQMwAA

The world would be quite a boring and dull place if everyone only talked about their area of expertise.

Sure, I can chat about the string theory if you really want (and I'll deeply embarass myself in the process). However, when I have weird sound in my car, I would rather talk about it with a mechanic rather than with a psychologist, you know.

Learning takes place when people ask questions and discuss novel ideas. I encourage you to explore astrophysics as well (even formulate some statements to be discussed). Ask something from me, if you wish - I have a working knowledge in the topic.

I don't really feel the need to do so, but thank you for yout thoughtfulness.

You seem to be quite open-minded and a nice person, Basilissa.

Oh, thank you. It's a pleasure.

[Alvin Moss]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

I also agree that there have been an almost unbelievable number of Estones who have come to this site and learned something about Jesus here. One thing we have learned from this episode is that the Estones, like all heathens, actually speak English, though like most unsaved foreigners, they often refuse to admit it. I for one have been surprised to find that there are so many people in Estonia. I had assumed it was rather small and poorly populated.

Perhaps some eyes have been opened in Estonia by this exposure to the Word of God. Maybe the Lord hates Estonia less now. That remains to be seen. He may send Russians to purge them if He is not satisfied with their progress toward Christianity. That may be best. We will have to wait and see, as no man knows the plans of the Lord.

[JustPassingBy]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

JA very short summary (oversimplified) of some of the lines of critique:

http://learning.covcollege.ac.uk/content/NLN/Area_Studies,_Cultural_Studies,_Languages,_Literature/Languages/epic_FK2_Language%20and%20ideology,%20Political%20correctness/html/sr_en0102_040.htm

and a google scholar listing of other articles on the subject:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...ed=0CCgQgQMwAA

Thank you, it was interesting to read about these topics again. However, I didn't come to such a strong conclusion as you did, that the matter is absolutely settled. It seems to be under considerable debate still, and if anything, I found more compelling arguments actually on the pro-side.

[NotUsingBrain]

Re: 7 reasons why God hates Estonia

Dear UseYourBrainPlugs,

You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forum.

Reason: Attempting to force the homersexural lifestyle on GOD's favorite forum

First of all, thanks for changing my username and password without even asking my permission. Secondly, how on Earth did I "attempt" to "force" the homosexual lifestyle on "God's favourite forum"?

And still, what's the point of slandering every country in the world except USA (aka the country which has the most evil government in the world).