10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

**Elmer G. White** · 03-15-2017, 09:17 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

Originally posted by ReturnOfChildOfGod View Post

You can argue any point no matter how stupid and add any bible passage to 'prove' your point because they're all open to personal interpretations therefore can they really be evidence in circumstances where the issue is not directly mentioned? My issue was not with the bible verses but more so with the arguments themselves as i explained. Making up facts and not providing sources can't be fixed by simply adding a bible verse for example:

Lets all commit suicide because God wants us too [

]. In fact 90 percent of the population die by suicide because its guaranteed to allow us to achieve salvation. 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Is that not the same thing that the OP has done? Again I'm genuinely curious and mean no harm through any of my posts. I simply want you to understand my point of view and for me to understand your point of view.

Darling Sinner,

Of course we'd rather be with Jesus and I'm praying every single day (1 Thesssalonians 5:17) that he'd take me, but suicide is not an option, as Jesus does not endorse that! He still want me to remain on earth to teach the vile sinners and give them a chance to Repent! It is because of this Labor of Love that I still live in this mortal body and long for my Eternity with Christ!

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

You should be aware that there's no "our point of view". There is only Jesus's point of view as explained in the Bible. Similarly, there's no "your" point of view but only the seduction by Satan, who whispers into your ears and soul his blasphemies. We understand that point of view perfectly! Those who are not with us are not with Jesus (Luke 11:23). Thus, they are with the enemy. They cannot utter anything that would not be a lie! Why should we be interested in any ideas that originate with the enemy?

Psalms 74:10
O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

Psalms 14:1
(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

As you can see, those who do not follow the Bible are by definition incapable of constructing Truthful™ arguments. Their point of view can only lead to damnation (John 3:18). It is sad but we are actually here to help them, to help you. It is not impossible that once in Heaven you could join the soccer teams there, but until them it's Ecclesiastes 12:13 if you really want to see those well-kept meadows.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

**ReturnOfChildOfGod** · 03-15-2017, 09:31 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

If you had read my comment properly you would now that i was simply using suicide as an example that anything can be justified using bible verses even false facts which was my issue in the OP. Since you missed the point i'll try to show what i was trying to say through another example:

It is physically possible to lift a house. Statistically 20 percent of the population can. Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

or

People can go 40 days without sustenance even in a desert. Exodus 34:28 - And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Do you see what I'm doing? I'm simply saying anything and applying a bible verse to it. I did this in the first post using suicide as someone critiqued one of my posts saying i did not provide any evidence because i didn't use any bible verses. But can you really say that providing a bible verse is enough evidence to support a fact. As you've seen i have provided you with three scenarios that are either not possible or not morally correct and yet there are passages in the bible that can be interpreted to support them.

Please tell me if I've not explained myself well. Once again i am not trying to start arguments i simply am trying to understand your point of view

**ReturnOfChildOfGod** · 03-15-2017, 09:44 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

I understand what your saying and i was simply using suicide as an example to try and prove my point as i mentioned in a reply to another user. I now understand that i must not have expressed what i was trying to say clearly. This was not so much about soccer but the mere fact that there is no facts to support what the OP was saying. Yes there are bible verses but what I'm saying is that how they be applied to a sport that wasn't around during the composing of the bible? No where in the bible does it directly mention the sport. My argument is not about what the bible actually says though. Its about the fact the it is being used as 'evidence' is places where it cannot be used. The bible is open to interpretation thats why other denominations within christianity exists. Are you then saying that these other denominations are simply obeying satan and are not with Jesus? Once more I'm just curious to hear your opinion and am not trying to offend you.

**Thomas Taylor** · 03-15-2017, 09:52 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

Originally posted by ReturnOfChildOfGod View Post

If you had read my comment.................................... Once again i am not trying to start arguments i simply am trying to understand your point of view

Dear Return,

We do not question the Word of God which He so graciously gave us. If it is in the Holy Bible (KJV 1611) then it is True.

i.e. If God said it happened - it did.

As for your scenarios -

Surviving in the desert without sustenance - happened, God said so. Also a papist heretic terrorist in Godless Ireland lasted over 80 days and all he had was water. So 40 days is no big deal as long as you have allowed God to enter you.

YIC
TT

**Elmer G. White** · 03-15-2017, 09:58 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

Originally posted by ReturnOfChildOfGod View Post

It is physically possible to lift a house. Statistically 20 percent of the population can. Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

or

People can go 40 days without sustenance even in a desert. Exodus 34:28 - And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Of course it is possible to move a house, but it is not based on personal strength but on prayer!

Matthew 21:21
Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

It's the same with not drinking for 40 days. It is physiologically impossible but no obstacle to God (Revelation 19:6) if you just ask Him.

Matthew 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

You are just assuming that Jesus would be tricked with your "false facts". In contrast, you fail to understand the Alternative Facts that Jesus provides. My examples above show that anything is possible but it also shows that only a small minority of people have sufficient Faith™. If you fail, Jesus won't hear you!

John 9:31
Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.

No everyone can move a mountain, not everyone can fast for 40 days. In fact, it is only possible through Jesus. If you look around you can see how scarce True Believers™ are! Why else would people die of accidents, malice, or cancer. With adequate Faith™ Jesus will cure anyone. You refer to some verses but fail miserably to understand the Trust™ and Faith™ that are the prerequisites for a successful prayer.

I prayed this morning that Jesus would give me an opportunity to teach an unsaved sinner the basics of His Will. Lo, He delivered, as He always does. I asked that he protect me from the AIDS contagion and I did not catch it.

He provides. I have no need to have my house moved not do I have any need to refrain from drinking water for 40 days. Why should I ask something useless when I can ask Jesus to deliver sinners to this Forum to be educated by us! Praise God!

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

**ReturnOfChildOfGod** · 03-15-2017, 09:59 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

Im not saying that what is in the bible isn't true. Im saying that different interpretations of the bible can be applied to scenarios some of which may be contradictory. Im simply wondering if the bible can truely be used as the main source of evidence. Id like you to look back at this example i used:

It is physically possible to lift a house. Statistically 20 percent of the population can. Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

This example expressed what I'm trying to say more than the others provided. As you can see i made up statistics and it is obviously not possible to life a house and yet i can use this bible verse that is not directly related but can be twisted to prove these false facts correct.

I do not want you to question the word God but more so the human application of it

**ReturnOfChildOfGod** · 03-15-2017, 10:11 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

You say that these things are possible through faith however they are not. Im in no way trying to be rude or disregard your opinion. But you cannot physically lift a house no matter how much you pray. You cannot cure yourself of a disease no matter how much you pray, if your immune system is unable to fight the pathogen of a deadly disease no amount of praying is going to save you.

With adequate Faith™ Jesus will cure anyone.

You've said this yet its simply not true. Believing is not going to remove the cancer from your body or going to suddenly cure incurable diseases.

Of course it is possible to move a house, but it is not based on personal strength but on prayer!

Im not sure if you're saying this is a literal or metaphorical sense may you please clarify because the way I'm understanding is that you've said that praying is going to physically move a house. Which again is not possible.

Im not here to dismiss your beliefs and again you've addressed only a minor part of what I'm saying. I am trying to say that Bible verses can be applied to any situation no matter the plausibility or whether that event is even possible because they are able to be interpreted differently. Im trying to ask how they can be used a evidence if they are interpreted differently by different people? A bible passage to you won't always mean the same thing as to does to other people. From there how is the 'true meaning' agrees upon?

As always I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive of your believes. I am genuinely curious and trying to broaden my understanding

**Elmer G. White** · 03-15-2017, 10:15 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

Originally posted by ReturnOfChildOfGod View Post

Im not saying that what is in the bible isn't true. Im saying that different interpretations of the bible can be applied to scenarios some of which may be contradictory. Im simply wondering if the bible can truely be used as the main source of evidence. Id like you to look back at this example i used:

It is physically possible to lift a house. Statistically 20 percent of the population can. Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

This example expressed what I'm trying to say more than the others provided. As you can see i made up statistics and it is obviously not possible to life a house and yet i can use this bible verse that is not directly related but can be twisted to prove these false facts correct.

I do not want you to question the word God but more so the human application of it

As explained above, we know very well that unless you are Redeemed in the blood Christ, you fail to understand His instructions and you start making "interpretations". This is the fundamental difference between us and false Christians.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

It is very good that you admit how you twisted the Word of God. It is always wonderful when a sinner realizes this without our pointing it out in too obvious a manner.

As we never interpret but only present the Bible as it is, you can go on trusting our judgment in these matters. I am so glad we cleared that up and now you can start educating yourself in the True Message™ of the Bible!

2 Peter 1:20
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer

**Thomas Taylor** · 03-15-2017, 10:20 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

Originally posted by ReturnOfChildOfGod View Post

As always I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive of your believes. I am genuinely curious and trying to broaden my understanding

As always you dismiss, out of hand everything you are told. I think you are just trying to wind us up by acting like a dummy.

Brother Elmer has very eloquently told you the flaws in your reasoning using Godly Biblical Logic. You on the other hand, just continued to speak in circles.

YIC
TT

**ReturnOfChildOfGod** · 03-15-2017, 10:31 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

I am not dismissing anything you've said merely trying to clarify what you've said because at time you seem to miss the point of what I'm saying. I understand that you both believe that there are no interpretations of the bible and instead you present that as they are. I understand that you believe that the bible is a recount of historical events all of which that happened. And i understand that you believe that through prayer and faith anything is possible.

Im not trying to wind you. Instead im trying to understand your logic behind your argument completely so i do not make incorrect accusations of what you're trying to say.

Maybe i have not been clear enough in my responses and that is on my behalf. If I'm going in circles its simply because what you think has answered my questions has failed to do so or misinterpret what I'm asking.

Also i add this statement and other like it As always I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive of your believes. I am genuinely curious and trying to broaden my understanding to be respectful and ensure that you know I'm in no way trying to offend you so id rather you not use something I've added to be respectful as an insult to me. I understand that it must be frustrating to have to explain your view but i have been nothing but respectful in this discussion and id appreciate receiving the same respect. Thank you

**ReturnOfChildOfGod** · 03-15-2017, 10:36 AM

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Okay i completely understand what you're saying and what you have been saying. Its just that its impossible not to interpret things differently because we do not all share one brain. I will not argue this any more with you though if you do not want me to. You have presented your views and I thank yo for doing so. However this is something that i do not believe i will change my stance on so out of respect to you i will stop arguing my opinion as you clearly do not want to hear it. Thank you for taking your time to explain this to me

**Elmer G. White** · 03-15-2017, 10:45 AM

Re: 10 Reasons why GOD HATES SOCCER!

Originally posted by ReturnOfChildOfGod View Post

I am not dismissing anything you've said merely trying to clarify what you've said because at time you seem to miss the point of what I'm saying. I understand that you both believe that there are no interpretations of the bible and instead you present that as they are. I understand that you believe that the bible is a recount of historical events all of which that happened. And i understand that you believe that through prayer and faith anything is possible.

Im not trying to wind you. Instead im trying to understand your logic behind your argument completely so i do not make incorrect accusations of what you're trying to say.

Maybe i have not been clear enough in my responses and that is on my behalf. If I'm going in circles its simply because what you think has answered my questions has failed to do so or misinterpret what I'm asking.

Also i add this statement and other like it As always I'm not trying to be rude or dismissive of your believes. I am genuinely curious and trying to broaden my understanding to be respectful and ensure that you know I'm in no way trying to offend you so id rather you not use something I've added to be respectful as an insult to me. I understand that it must be frustrating to have to explain your view but i have been nothing but respectful in this discussion and id appreciate receiving the same respect. Thank you

Dear Sinner,

We always appreciate good manners! We a simple people. We trust God, we trust Jesus. How do we know what the want? We read the Bible. It is to be followed, not to be interpreted.

We know very well that there are observations regarding the material world that oppose God's Revelation (there were two of them, the Bible and the Incarnation as Christ). All these secular, mundane things have to be assessed against the background of the known Truth™ that is the Bible. God tests us all the time by bombarding our senses and observational devices (microscopes and tellyscopes and hardonic collisions) with delusional data.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

For instance, the heresies of evolution, light years, antimicrobial drugs, anti-American sporting events, etc., have all been falsified with this method. This very thread is an example of that method. If God's Word opposes an activity, it is delusion. It is only there to lure unbelievers into more sin. And if we weren't here, there'd be no-one to help the unbelievers! If we did not have the Bible, we would have to accept the sodomites as regular, hard-working, well-behaved people that they are in their everyday business. But God tells us that their choice of a lifestyle is incompatible with Salvation. We cannot disregard their Spiritual business even if they seem nice people. So we try to warn them desperately as we really wish as many as possible to reach heaven. We do know that our efforts are meager but that is what Jesus has asked us to do!

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

We have no doubts as Jesus has informed us that whatever we do in His name, it is the correct thing to do, as we cannot sin any longer!

1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Yours in Christ,

Elmer