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Re: Follow the Word of God, not your "conscience"
Hi, Drew, and 
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I look forward towards a civilized discussion, then.
I will admit this is a bit above my pay grade (being just a lowly female). This is all I know about speaking in tongues:
1 Corinthians 14:27-28
27 If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
So that tells me it's OK to speak in unknown tongues as long as it does not disrupt the services at church, but rather done quietly at home, where the speaker is not bothering anyone.
After all:
1 Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that [by my voice] I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an [unknown] tongue.
So I don't think we disagree on this subject - especially since I don't see anything in Pastor Billy Reuben's post about speaking in tongues nobody can understand?
Exactly. If there's anything contradicting the Holy Bible, it's coming from the devil, not from the Holy Bible. 
I'm not following, how these two interpretations differ from one another? 
Please do enlighten me, how do you "correctly" interpret the following verses, then:
1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
How about what Jesus said about His enemies?
Matthew 10:34-36
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
It is quite clear, especially if you take under account all of the religious wars started by Christians against unbelievers of all sorts (including false Christians).
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Rape of these slave girls is not specified but implied by other parts of the Law (e.g., Exodus 21:7-8, which describes conditions under which a father can sell his daughter as a sex slave).
Your Bible must be very different from my Bible:
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
If the girl was not heard, that means she didn't cry at all or did not cry loud enough. Either way, she deserves to die.
Yes. All Scripture:
Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
We are still living under the Old Testament law, and we have no right to change one jot of it.
Indeed!
I will pray for you.
Originally posted by drewwhiteddc
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It is beyond unbelievably absolutely ridiculous. This must be a joke. Seriously?! The initial post made by Pastor Billy-Reuben is beyond ridiculous and offensive, and it totally misrepresents the bible. I have read the bible all the way through and studied it almost with obsession.
I have also been baptized with the holy spirit and have seen that cessationism is not only a lie, but is not supported with scripture anywhere whereas continuism is everywhere in scripture.
1 Corinthians 14:27-28
27 If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
So that tells me it's OK to speak in unknown tongues as long as it does not disrupt the services at church, but rather done quietly at home, where the speaker is not bothering anyone.
After all:
1 Corinthians 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that [by my voice] I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an [unknown] tongue.
So I don't think we disagree on this subject - especially since I don't see anything in Pastor Billy Reuben's post about speaking in tongues nobody can understand?
The Holy Spirit is alive and we can talk to Him as an extra guide that doesn't contradict scripture but rather affirms it (as far as I know there is no exception to this).
These are the points that I find untenable in the initial argument (I'll state them clearly and go into detail if need be). First off, at quick glance, I don't see Deuteronomy 29:19-20 as someone elevating their conscience above the law of God, but rather someone who willfully sins against God while knowing better.
Also, I think your arguments on men having dominion over women are definitely wrongly interpreted, based on the ancient Greek and the context.
1 Timothy 2:11-15
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Ephesians 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
the law of Moses was fulfilled by Jesus and we are not required to kill those who disagree.
Matthew 10:34-36
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Did this happen ANYWHERE after the law of Moses was fulfilled in the New Testament? The sword Jesus brought was to put families against each other that is rather clear if you read the rest of that chapter (kind of like how Muslims have that happen today).
The rape of a virgin female in the Old Testament must be understood in context to their society, and that if the man continued being wicked, his life would probably be in danger with the rest of the law. The other rape things you say are not in scripture and are crazy! Numbers 31 never mentions rape,
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Rape of these slave girls is not specified but implied by other parts of the Law (e.g., Exodus 21:7-8, which describes conditions under which a father can sell his daughter as a sex slave).
and Dt. 22:23-24 never mentions how loud she screams at my glance!
Deuteronomy 22:23-24
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
If the girl was not heard, that means she didn't cry at all or did not cry loud enough. Either way, she deserves to die.
We are to obey our conscience and not violate it as taught by Paul's words! Also, we re-educate our conscience according to scripture.
Matthew 5:17-18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
We are still living under the Old Testament law, and we have no right to change one jot of it.
We can't take verses out of context!
I will pray for you.
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