[Sifesboran]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

As a person who quite regularly plays computer games I wanted to voice a different viewpoint on the game that seems to have cause 38 pages of argument.

I have played Oblivion and the expansions for it. I played them start to finish. Now some of you may feel that I should be burned at the stake for that but I ask you this. What is evil, the game or people's actions within it?

Let me explain myself. It is obvious from many of the opinions here that many of you are not computer gamers. This game is a type of game called a sandbox game. It is called that because there is no set path through the game. You can build your character as you see fit, kind of like building a sand castle, hence the name.

On the very first page of this thread Rev.Osborne put up a picture of one of the evil creatures in the game and many of you judged the entire game on that one picture.

When I played the game, I built up a knight character. And I played the game as a knight in shining armor. I went around the beautiful world that Bethesda Software created and vanquished evil and brought about justice and helped the people in the game.

One scenario in the game springs to mind. In the game I came across a band of pilgrims out in the woods. They were trying to start a new community until a horde of goblins set upon them and stole their equipment preventing them from continuing. So I rode out on my horse, killed the goblins and returned their belongings.

Days later while playing the game I happened to ride past the same spot as I was on my way to another city and I found the place where I met the pilgrims. Instead of just forest, I found the beginnings of a town which was being built by the characters in the game and I was thanked for my help.

This game is simply the exploration of a fantasy world that has sprung from the imagination of a person. How a person chooses to act within that imaginary world is another matter.

Forget the game for a minute. If you give me a gun, I might choose to shoot a deer and feed my family. If you give the gun to a member of a notorious street gang they may choose to shoot another person for no reason at all.

So I ask again, what is evil? The gun? Or is it the person's actions with that gun?

I leave you with a few other scenes from the game from that game. Those who shun the game because of one picture are missing out on the beautiful scenes that can be found within it.

[SATANIC IMAGES REPLACED WITH GODLY DEPICTIONS OF CHRIST'S SUFFERING]

[Sifesboran]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

I just wanted to clarify something. The reason the post above is my first post and I did not post an introduction thread is because I am not a Christian. Someone sent me a link to this thread as they knew that I enjoyed playing the game Oblivion.

I read through the posts in this thread and I felt that there were many people with no real experience of this type of computer game commenting but there did not seem to be anyone representing the view of the average person who enjoys the computer game and has seen good parts to it as well as the so called "Evil" things that have been complained about.

I was very careful in my wording because, while I am not a Christian myself, I did not wish to offend anyone because I respect people's rights to their beliefs.

What I did not expect is the private message I received from Felicity regarding my post. I paste it below as I was under the impression that the USA believed in freedom of speech. I guess I was mistaken.

PM sent to me by Felicity:

Dear Sifesboran,

You have received an infraction at The Landover Baptist Church Forums.

Reason: Going yappity yap yap yappity
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Since you are new here please look at our please read this before posting and our your rights on this forum threads! If you already did that, just do it again. There you can learn that this forum is not about debating or unsaved opinions but about praising Jesus!

If you didn't do that yet, it would be great if you could make a thread of your own in the introductions section of the forum! That way everyone here can meet you and see how much you love Jesus!
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This infraction is worth 15 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

I'm sure this post will probably get me another 15 point infraction (whatever that means) but as I have said my piece and have no desire to return to this site it will not matter.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

I was very careful in my wording because, while I am not a Christian myself, I did not wish to offend anyone because I respect people's rights to their beliefs.

Friend,

If you are not a Christian then who would you know what offends a Christian? Frankly that is pretty arrogant of you to come in our Church forum and then attempt to define what is or isn't offensiveness to us. I really think you should apologize to the Christians here.

[Sifesboran]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

I wrote that I am not a Christian. I did not write that I come from a family comprising of all non-Christians. I have many close relatives who are Christians and I work as a support worker for a homeless charity of whom the employees are mostly Christian.

I have had many constructive debates with many Christians and have never yet caused offense to any of them because I respect their beliefs and they respect mine. I believe in God, but maybe not in quite the same way that you do.

Therefore I reject your insult that I am arrogant for trying to define what offends you because I have done no such thing. In my statement that you quoted I merely made a statement of the fact that my intention was simply to put another view across about a subject (the game) that I have played from start to finish, but in a way that does not call into question any of your belief.

I feel that I have done so adequately but, as I half way expected, my viewpoint was ignored but the mere fact that a non-Christian dared to put across a viewpoint is the only fact that seems to be worth focusing on. And not even by way of a constructive or even intelligent rebuke but rather by way of a reprimand by a girl half my age saying that my infraction is, "Yappity Yap Yap Yappity."

So as for your apology, no, I don't think so. Wow!! It is a blinkered existence you live in. You'd be amazed at all the beauty in the world that such a blinkered existence will miss out on.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

I find those images from the "game" to be repulsive, and I wish someone would remove them. Especially the last one which is covered in insects. That is obviously Satanic. The others depict a barren Apocalyptic, Dark Age wasteland and a man carrying instruments of death. They should be replaced with something more peaceful, like scenes from the Passion of the Christ(c).

We, as True Christians(tm), have a RIGHT and a DUTY to FORBID other people from playing games that have nothing to do with Jesus(tm). Games without Jesus(tm) are just tools of the Devil(tm) intended to draw you away from matters of import, namely, those matters discussed in the KJV1611(c).

[Sifesboran]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Wow!! It is a blinkered existence you live in. You'd be amazed at all the beauty in the world that such a blinkered existence will miss out on.

I thank you Billy Bob for your final post which has only strengthened my above quote.

Butterflies are Satanic? That is a good one. I will have to write that down. That is pure comedy.

Here endeth the lesson!!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

I wrote that I am not a Christian. I did not write that I come from a family comprising of all non-Christians. I have many close relatives who are Christians and I work as a support worker for a homeless charity of whom the employees are mostly Christian.

I have had many constructive debates with many Christians and have never yet caused offense to any of them because I respect their beliefs and they respect mine. I believe in God, but maybe not in quite the same way that you do.

Therefore I reject your insult that I am arrogant for trying to define what offends you because I have done no such thing. In my statement that you quoted I merely made a statement of the fact that my intention was simply to put another view across about a subject (the game) that I have played from start to finish, but in a way that does not call into question any of your belief.

Friend,

Insult, you attempt to impose your belifes upon me and my defense of my faith becomes and insult? Such a thing could only happen in Obama's America.

Please keep in mind we are TRUE Christians(tm), we follow the entire Bible to the letter and spirit it was written in. Please do not compare the cafeteria Christians you have meet before to a TRUE Christian(tm). For one thing as per Christ's command in 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 no TRUE Christian(tm) would associate with an unsaved person like you.

Again, you have arrogantly imposed your view of what we TRUE Christians(tm) should be upon us. There is only one source a TRUE Christian(tm) listens to; Jesus! GLORY!

I feel that I have done so adequately but, as I half way expected, my viewpoint was ignored but the mere fact that a non-Christian dared to put across a viewpoint is the only fact that seems to be worth focusing on. And not even by way of a constructive or even intelligent rebuke but rather by way of a reprimand by a girl half my age saying that my infraction is, "Yappity Yap Yap Yappity."

Again friend,
You are not a TRUE Christian(tm) so how can we TRUE Christians(tm) listen to you. Christ is not talking in your heart like He is in ours, because otherwise you would a TRUE Christian(tm). You simply lack the moral clarity to see how awful a game like Oblivion is.

Please let us help you friend.

So as for your apology, no, I don't think so. Wow!! It is a blinkered existence you live in. You'd be amazed at all the beauty in the world that such a blinkered existence will miss out on.

To tell the truth friend I require no apology, I forgive you as Christi commands me to forgive all those who persecute me for my faith.

Jesus is the one to whom you owe an apology.

[Sifesboran]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

TRUE Christians!! Okay, now I must apologize. I am truly sorry. This whole discussion would have been solved had I just noticed the word TRUE.
My uncle Patrick is a TRUE Christian. Probably why he refuses to have anything to do with the rest of our family. Hey, he has alienated his entire family but at least he will go to heaven.

It would be so much easier if you would all tell it like it is and just put NAZI Christians. That way people would immediately recognize that you hate all non-white, non-Christian, non-heterosexual, non-virgin (unless married) and non-divorced people.

That said, I have to admit, had I not been focused on what you wrote I would have noticed the cross burning KKK member on horseback you use for your avatar. I only noticed it now because I am at a computer with a bigger monitor.

By the way, you talk about how bible worshiping you all are. I'm not sure Jesus would approve of the pink drooling bear panties that Felicity is thanking the Rev. Jim Osborne for giving her on her profile page.

And to think, you guys consider yourself pure. What is a man Jim's age doing buying a 16 year old girl pink drooling bear panties?

P.S. Any chance my gay, black, Muslim friend can join your church? He has a bit of a fetish for bestiality but I'm sure you NAZI......sorry, my mistake, TRUE Christians can cure him.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

I thank you Billy Bob for your final post which has only strengthened my above quote.

Butterflies are Satanic? That is a good one. I will have to write that down. That is pure comedy.

Here endeth the lesson!!

Those aren't butterflies. They are mutant cockroaches infested with Satan's seed.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

It would be so much easier if you would all tell it like it is and just put NAZI Christians. That way people would immediately recognize that you hate all non-white, non-Christian, non-heterosexual, non-virgin (unless married) and non-divorced people.
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Nazis were Catholics. South Germans and all that friend.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Let me explain myself. It is obvious from many of the opinions here that many of you are not computer gamers. This game is a type of game called a sandbox game. It is called that because there is no set path through the game. You can build your character as you see fit, kind of like building a sand castle, hence the name.

When I played the game, I built up a knight character. And I played the game as a knight in shining armor. I went around the beautiful world that Bethesda Software created and vanquished evil and brought about justice and helped the people in the game.

As a knight made of sand?

One scenario in the game springs to mind. In the game I came across a band of pilgrims out in the woods. They were trying to start a new community until a horde of goblins set upon them and stole their equipment preventing them from continuing. So I rode out on my horse, killed the goblins and returned their belongings.

Days later while playing the game I happened to ride past the same spot as I was on my way to another city and I found the place where I met the pilgrims. Instead of just forest, I found the beginnings of a town which was being built by the characters in the game and I was thanked for my help.

How do you know you didn't just help establish a colony of Satanic cannibal Islamofascists or, worse, $cientologists? Maybe God was using those goblins to prevent them building their sweatshop and brainwashing center, and instead you enabled them to indoctrinate millions.

TRUE Christians!! Okay, now I must apologize. I am truly sorry. This whole discussion would have been solved had I just noticed the word TRUE.
My uncle Patrick is a TRUE Christian. Probably why he refuses to have anything to do with the rest of our family. Hey, he has alienated his entire family but at least he will go to heaven.

It would be so much easier if you would all tell it like it is and just put NAZI Christians. That way people would immediately recognize that you hate all non-white, non-Christian, non-heterosexual, non-virgin (unless married) and non-divorced people.

Ah, so the truth comes out. You are really only here to mock God.

I don't hate anyone. However, you have listed a number of people God hates and will cast into Hell. Would you prefer that people not be warned of the consequences of their lifestyle choices? Would you consider it "love" to let someone drive full-speed down the road, knowing the bridge ahead is washed out?

P.S. Any chance my gay, black, Muslim friend can join your church? He has a bit of a fetish for bestiality but I'm sure you NAZI......sorry, my mistake, TRUE Christians can cure him.

We are not racists. He can give up the Negro lifestyle choice at any time. He can also choose to give up the homosexual deathstyle choice, and the explosive and God-mocking Muslim self-detonation choice.

He only needs to choose Jesus instead of his perversions, his hip-hop, his soul food, his moon god Allah, and his neighbor's chickens.

[Sifesboran]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Ah, so the truth comes out. You are really only here to mock God.

Mock God, no. Mock haters, yes. You claim you don't hate anyone, God does. What a pile. Let me ask you this, two people, one is a Christian who prays every day of his life but is weak and gives in to temptation, drink & drugs. But after each sin they go to their church and they repent. The other person is agnostic, like me. They believe there is a higher being but they are not convinced about the teachings of any major religion. They spend their entire life being good, helping people, being kind, loving and protecting their family. So by your way of thinking, are you telling me that God will take the first man into Heaven with open arms and the second man, who has never done anything wrong other than not praying will spent the remainder of eternity burning in the fires of hell? What do you think?

I don't hate anyone. However, you have listed a number of people God hates and will cast into Hell.

How do you know that god hates them? It may say so in the King James Bible but you forget that the bible was written my man. Man who is not flawless. It has also been translated thousands of times. I was texting my cousin in Germany the other day, I speak German, and I missed the umlaut (the two dots above a vowel) over a letter "o" in one word and it totally changed the entire meaning of the sentence I was writing to her.

Personally I believe that God intended for there to be gay people. I'm not gay myself but I have no problem with gay people. Why? Because the population of this world is increasing way too fast. I deal with young people from bad backgrounds in my job. You know how many underage pregnancies I have had to deal with? Gay couples cannot have children. I think God is trying to slow down the ridiculous population explosion before there is not enough room, food or water for everyone.

It took 123 years for the population to go from 1 to 2 billion, between 1804 and 1927. It took only 12 years to go from 5 to 6 billion people, between 1987 and 1999.

With growth rates like that I say let the gays flourish. Besides, in a town with mostly gay guys, I'm a lot more likely to meet the woman I will one day marry since there is a lot less competition.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Friend, there are so many things wrong with your post. Allow me to help you educate you.

Mock God, no. Mock haters, yes. You claim you don't hate anyone, God does. What a pile. Let me ask you this, two people, one is a Christian who prays every day of his life but is weak and gives in to temptation, drink & drugs. But after each sin they go to their church and they repent. The other person is agnostic, like me. They believe there is a higher being but they are not convinced about the teachings of any major religion. They spend their entire life being good, helping people, being kind, loving and protecting their family. So by your way of thinking, are you telling me that God will take the first man into Heaven with open arms and the second man, who has never done anything wrong other than not praying will spent the remainder of eternity burning in the fires of hell? What do you think?

You completely misunderstand Christianity. First off, if one is a True Christian(tm), we do not sin. The idea of going to church and repenting (confessing to a priest) is a Catholic notion and therefore unChristian. True Christians(tm) are sinless, please read 1 John 3:6-9 and 1 John 5:18. So a "Christian" who repeatedly sins like in your description will go to Hell because they weren't a Christian to begin with.

Second, just because you do good works, if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your savior, you will go to Hell. End of story. The Bible is very clear on this. Read John 3:15-16 and Galatians 2:16.

How do you know that god hates them? It may say so in the King James Bible but you forget that the bible was written my man.

The Bible is the inspired Word of God, not simply man-written ideas.

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Man who is not flawless. It has also been translated thousands of times. I was texting my cousin in Germany the other day, I speak German, and I missed the umlaut (the two dots above a vowel) over a letter "o" in one word and it totally changed the entire meaning of the sentence I was writing to her.

Yes, human translations and such are fallible and can change. But the Bible is immune from such errors.

Psalm 117:2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

Personally I believe that God intended for there to be gay people. I'm not gay myself but I have no problem with gay people. Why? Because the population of this world is increasing way too fast. I deal with young people from bad backgrounds in my job. You know how many underage pregnancies I have had to deal with? Gay couples cannot have children. I think God is trying to slow down the ridiculous population explosion before there is not enough room, food or water for everyone.

It took 123 years for the population to go from 1 to 2 billion, between 1804 and 1927. It took only 12 years to go from 5 to 6 billion people, between 1987 and 1999.

With growth rates like that I say let the gays flourish. Besides, in a town with mostly gay guys, I'm a lot more likely to meet the woman I will one day marry since there is a lot less competition.

Whether or not God intended gay people is debatable, I admit. After all, Isaiah 45:7 tells us: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.". And gays are certainly evil, so maybe God did create them.

But you make it sound like populating the Earth is inherently wrong, which it is not, because God tells us we should do so.


Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

[Apollo Night]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

lol well I guess I'm going straight to hell, with all the fun games I've been playing lately!

Like Devil May Cry: about a half demon man who goes around killing other demons with his "evil powers" hows father basically kicked the Devils butt.

And Jak and Dexter: two best friends (one turned into a rat thing) going around killing these called Metal Heads that eat Dark Eco and kill people. (Eco is the worlds power source, there is Green, Red, Blue, Light, and Dark Eco)

Oh and Sly Cooper: about a raccoon that goes around stealing stuff from bad people. And his story about how he avenges his family by killing the monster that killed his father and stolen there family book that holds the key to being a Master Thief.

And these are only a few. Hell here I come!

[bettsyboy]

Re: Oblivion: Video Game Promoting WITCHCRAFT, SATANISM, & POLYTH

Pastor

its called a video game.

i play this game, many of my friends play this game, as well as many others all around the world.

its not like children will really worship games.

anyway, its not like when you call a football a "pigskin" then children will go and kick pigs to death for fun.

you are seriously blowing this WAY out of proportion