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Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

It looks like you've posted Scripture to make my point!



Also: just because something is MADE perfectly does not mean it REMAINS perfect.

For instance, my wife made a delicious pie earlier today (apple, in case you're curious).

It was perfect!

What do you think it looks like now?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

That pie would look better now than any of the words posted by hate-filled racist baby killing atheists.

[epignosis]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

It looks like you've posted Scripture to make my point!



Also: just because something is MADE perfectly does not mean it REMAINS perfect.

For instance, my wife made a delicious pie earlier today (apple, in case you're curious).

It was perfect!

What do you think it looks like now?

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

Psalm 37:11-29 (King James Version)

11But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace......

27Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.

28For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

29The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.


Do you see the kind of preservative, God is offering man. We can live forever on the earth.
No more rotting away like the pie you mentioned.

[Christ Serenity]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

Amen

A deep educated insight within the Word of the Mighty. It is now clear fools and cowards alike attempt salvation however only the pure and true prosper.

[Crusader of His Word]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-

Amen! Too many times have I been told I'm "not very christian" by an atheist, when I tell them of their eventual demise if they follow their current paths.

Who are they to tell me what the God I so devoutly follow wants me to do, when they themselves do not know Him?

[Foreign queer godmocker]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

Matthew 7:1-5 Explained
The so-called "prohibition against judging"

As a long-time pastor and forum contributor here, time and time again I have seen unsaved scum waltz into here and tell us "Jesus said we shouldn't judge others". I then say, "Ok, can you show us Scripture to back up your claim?" They then respond with "Judge not that ye be not judged." This is nothing more than taking Scripture out of context.

Contrary to popular belief, Matthew 7:1-5 is not a prohibition against all judgment. These verses are a warning against hypocritical judgment, not judgment in itself. Jesus is saying we cannot judge others when we are guilty of the same sin. Let's look at the verses and I will guide you through them using my 45 years of pastoral experience and two doctorate degrees at the helm.

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

This basically says if you judge others, you will be judged accordingly. This makes sense. Of course, I can judge others and I welcome Christ to judge me, because I am free of sin (see 1 John 3:6-9). He can judge me all He wants.

We True Christians™ are perfect. Therefore we all welcome God to judge us!

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

This means hypocrisy. How can you judge another man for cheating on his wife when you do the same? A "mote" is a small speck of wood, while a "beam" is a large chunk of wood. Jesus is speaking in analogy here. How can you see the wood (sin) in your brother's eye when you have a larger one in your own?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Again, hypocrisy. Jesus is saying that hypocrisy clouds judgment. If you live in sin, you are not a True Christian™ and therefore are not granted the right to judge. You are filthy, disgusting, undeserving unsaved scum whose opinions do not matter. Jesus makes that very clear.

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Now read this last part very closely. This tells us that we can judge others! Jesus is saying to remove your own sin first, then you can judge others.

How can anyone say this is a prohibition against all judging, unless they were woefully ignorant of the Bible? Jesus makes it crystal clear that we cannot judge if we are hypocrites, and that to do righteous judgment instead (as True Christians™).

We CAN Judge Others!

Not only can you not find a single instance where judging in itself is prohibited, you find many verses which command us to judge!

Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Psalm 37:30 The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

1st Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1st Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1st Corinthians 6:1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
1st Corinthians 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1st Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?.
1st Corinthians 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
1st Corinthians 6:5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
1st Corinthians 6:6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

...And so on. We can see from the verses above that God does allow judgment under certain conditions, namely: Only True Christians™ can judge. We are righteous (notice all the references to righteous judgment) and therefore the only ones capable of judging others. Conversely, those that are unsaved have no right to judge at all. So, God does have limits placed on judgment and those are the limits.

Again, I must point reiterate, nowhere in the Bible does it tell us not to judge. Period. I hope this exegesis of Matthew 7:1-5 has been enlightening for you and and you will refrain from looking like an idiot in the future by claiming that "Jesus said we can't judge others".

Yours in Christ,

Rev. Jim Osborne

Also known as the passage in which Jesus actually has a say and not some ancient scribe.

[Levi Jones]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

Also known as the passage in which Jesus actually has a say and not some ancient scribe.

What on earth are you babbling about, Philistine?

Jesus says many things. If you would like to know what all He said, find a copy of a Bible that highlights His saying in red.

[Bjorn Jensen]

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[Prayer Warrior]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

Renowned pastor Steve Anderson recently gave a sermon on this very issue and exposed the hypocrisy and absurdity of these "Judge Not" liberal pansies.

[Roland]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

Renowned pastor Steve Anderson recently gave a sermon on this very issue and exposed the hypocrisy and absurdity of these "Judge Not" liberal pansies.

At 4:48 this guy says he is a sinner. To him it doesn´t seem like a huge issue. Will he go to hell?

[Brentin]

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At 4:48 this guy says he is a sinner. To him it doesn´t seem like a huge issue. Will he go to hell?

The Bible clearly states in
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Hebrews 10:11-18
11. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

I'm open to further knowledge to those of more wisdom. But I read from these verses which clearly states who will get to heaven. And if they have Truely repented of there sins, and have been justified and sanctified through the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. That you can be perfect in fact the bible clearly calls for us to be perfect. Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

[Roland]

Re: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)

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I'm open to further knowledge to those of more wisdom. But I read from these verses which clearly states who will get to heaven. And if they have Truely repented of there sins, and have been justified and sanctified through the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. That you can be perfect in fact the bible clearly calls for us to be perfect. Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Hello Brentin,

Here lies the issue: You can not be a sinner and saved at the same time. This pastor claims he is a sinner, thus not saved. As far as I understand that means he will go to his lake of fire and brimstone, gnashing his teeth.

Kind regards,

Roland

[Prayer Warrior]

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Hello Brentin,

Here lies the issue: You can not be a sinner and saved at the same time. This pastor claims he is a sinner, thus not saved. As far as I understand that means he will go to his lake of fire and brimstone, gnashing his teeth.

Kind regards,

Roland

I'm not a theologian, so it difficult for me to say for certain as I don't know the man well enough to know what sins he has committed or when he committed them.

Based on the scriptural soundness of the teachings I've seen from him so far, I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he's probably describing himself as a sinner in the sense that he has sinned at some point in his life prior to being saved. For example, some people might describe the thief on the cross from Luke 23:39-43 as a "thief", "criminal", or "sinner" etc. based on his past actions. Since the majority of his life was filled with crime, most people consider him a "criminal", but he is still saved since he converted after these crimes occurred.

Again, based on the scriptural soundness of this man's sermons, if he is currently engaging in sin, I'd like to at least consider him a Christ Seeker, who will at some point in the future could fully accept Christ into his heart and cast away with his last remaining vestiges of sin once and for all. I won't know for sure until we're both dead, but I'd like to think his odds are very good

[Roland]

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Again, based on the scriptural soundness of this man's sermons, if he is currently engaging in sin, I'd like to at least consider him a Christ Seeker, who will at some point in the future could fully accept Christ into his heart and cast away with his last remaining vestiges of sin once and for all. I won't know for sure until we're both dead, but I'd like to think his odds are very good

I think we can agree that he is a better christian than most.

[Diesel Stanford]

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There are quite a few Passages you are overlooking:

Ephesians 4:30:
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 1:22:
Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of God "unto the day of redemption." It protects us from falling away again.

John 10:28-29:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

No man is able to "pluck us from Jesus' hand" once Jesus gave us eternal life.

Romans 8:38-39:
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

There is nothing on this world that can separate us from Jesus' Love, once we have accepted Him as our Lord and Savior.

Romans 11:29:
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

If God called you to be Saved™, you are Saved™, because God doesn't repent about that.

Philippians 1:6:
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

God will finish the Work He has begun in us until the last of days. He will prevent us from falling away.

1 Peter 1:5:
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Again, it is God who makes sure that we keep believing in Him and are Saved™. To say that Saved™ people can fall away again is to deny God's Power to keep us from doing so.

So you see, once a person is Saved™, God will make sure that that person remains Saved™. Are you doubting His Almighty Power?

Amen, that is correct. I'm also glad you picked up Isaiah 45:7, most 'Christians' keep skipping that verse and ignore the warning in Revelation 22:18-19. Sad, but true.

About judgement: many other people in public have attacked me for mocking the accents of non-Kiwis. Then I always show them John 7:24 to proof that it only talks about how a person looks outside.

[Basilissa]

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About judgement: many other people in public have attacked me for mocking the accents of non-Kiwis. Then I always show them John 7:24 to proof that it only talks about how a person looks outside.

I don't know what is a non-Kiwi (do you refer to strawberries? avocados? garlic? non-food items?), but I do agree that God judges people based on how they sound.

One of my favorite passages in the Bible talk about killing all people who cannot pronounce words correctly:

Judges 12:5-6
5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;
6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.