[Voll_EQ]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

The Bible does not contradict itself.

Ofcourse not..... hmm my english is still bad :-)

But as i understand, IF the woman already belongs to another man then God don't condone rape, as this would be something like stealing.

And God don't condone rape in the case that the rapist refuse to mary the previous virgin or pay her father?

I am not asking to be rude or to go against Gods words, but i am trying to learn, and only a True Christian ™ will be able to teach me.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Voll_EQ

Ofcourse not..... hmm my english is still bad :-)

But as i understand, IF the woman already belongs to another man then God don't condone rape, as this would be something like stealing.

And God don't condone rape in the case that the rapist refuse to mary the previous virgin or pay her father?

I am not asking to be rude or to go against Gods words, but i am trying to learn, and only a True Christian ™ will be able to teach me.

It would be adultery, of course, if the woman was married. If she's a betrothed virgin then he has spoiled the plans of her father and future husband which is plain rude and has ruined the potential of the woman as well so he must die.

Of course, if she's not promised to anyone else then it's down to him to marry her and offer payment as compensation to her father.

Needless to say, if the betrothed/married woman consented then she must die.

This idea that women belong to themselves is not Biblical.

[Voll_EQ]

Ok Thanks alot, this was what i thought, but again, my english is not to good

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

This idea that women belong to themselves is not Biblical.

I Never had that idea, no matter what the Christian woman will alwayes belong to a man.

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Voll_EQ

Ok Thanks alot, this was what i thought, but again, my english is not to good



I Never had that idea, no matter what the Christian woman will alwayes belong to a man.

Sometimes we are posting so that others will read and learn. As they follow this conversation they will see what God really wants from them.

[Voll_EQ]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Sometimes we are posting so that others will read and learn. As they follow this conversation they will see what God really wants from them.

Yes this is why i ask in puplic, i could easily ask in a private message, but then just I and not others would have benefit of it, beside i am convinced that if my question is out of line, I would be told so by a True Christian ™.

And thanks again dear Redeemed Papist for your patience with me, i hope that i someday will be allowed to call you friend

[Sppok1]

I signed up to just say, fully expecting a prompt banning, that for a group that hates muslims, what you espouse sounds alot like sharia law. And BTW, Jesus was a jew and therefor so are you. Also, that also makes him a [Racial Slur Deleted] as one put it many pages back. It is ignorant backward people like you that make me glad to be an atheist and that the government is non-theistic. Put the oval office in the hands of this "church" of hate and the US will be set back 4000 years.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Spook1

I signed up to just say, fully expecting a prompt banning, that for a group that hates muslims, what you espouse sounds alot like sharia law.

Nobody here hates Muslims. We hate the fact that God will cast them all into eternal torment for their nonbelief, and pray that they come to Jesus. And stop trying to convert Christians to Islam.

And BTW, Jesus was a jew and therefor so are you. Also, that also makes him a [Racial Slur Deleted] as one put it many pages back.

Sorry, Jesus is God. Jews worship God.

Jesus knows He is the Messiah. Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah.

Christians know what a Jew is. You are an imbecile, who doesn't know what a Jew is.

It is ignorant backward people like you

. . . says the guy who doesn't know what a Jew is?

that make me glad to be an atheist and that the government is non-theistic. Put the oval office in the hands of this "church" of hate and the US will be set back 4000 years.

That'd be a neat trick, given that Jesus was born just over 2,000 years ago.

Are you suggesting that when Christians control the White House again (as we did with GW Bush) and ALSO control both houses of Congress, the United States will be submerged under the Flood?

You really are a retard, aren't you?

[Redeemed Papist]

Originally Posted by Sppok1

I signed up to just say, fully expecting a prompt banning, that for a group that hates muslims, what you espouse sounds alot like sharia law.

That's because Muslims nicked half their ideas from our God but then made things up so they didn't believe Jesus was the son of God.

[davidbrainfart]

Do you people ever listen to yourself? Just when I think you can't go any lower you defend yet another evil in the name of God and the Bible.

You have ridiculed me on this board, depicting me as a member of a "lesser race," and a Canadian terrorist. You have tinkered with my words to discredit them. You changed my user name twice, once to initimidate me with loss of privacy, again to make me out a fool. You have hurled arbitrary infractions at me, and I expect to be banned. But you have never proved that you are right and I am wrong. Just listen to me!

I don't believe that was the moral code you were taught when you were growing up. Didn't your mother teach you that the world was round? Didn't your math teacher teach you that pi=3.1416? Didn't your Sunday School teacher teach that God is love? Didn't you read the editorials in the newspapers condeming segregation?

Have you learned nothing from the Civil Rights Movement? The women's liberation movement? Didn't you grow up believing that you should be kind to cripples and that rape was wrong?

If your answer was "no" to any of these questions, you were not brought up right. I suspect, however, that most of you were taught right about these things and turned your back on them for a religion that supports your evil impulses!!

I don't care if the evil is Biblical or not! It is still evil. Two thousand years ago the world was a different place. Cruel controls worked in a world where life was cheap and short.

No woman deserves to be raped. No woman is the property of her father for a rapist to reimburse for his damage. No woman wants to marry her rapist. I don't care what the Bible says! We are better than that!

I don't know how many members you have but I hope some of you will ask yourselves "What have I become by putting this church and this book above all standards of morality and common sense? How much further down this road do you want to go? For those of you in the second generation of this ignorance and bigotry, surely I feel sorry for you. For those of you who feel your humanity slipping away, I say get out of this cult before it is too late!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Who said that a woman deserves to get raped?

This thread is about WHAT GOD SAYS TO DO IF your daughter gets raped, and then refuses to marry her rapist, mormon.

Why don't you go back and read the thread from the start, instead of jumping to conclusions!

[Redeemed Papist]

Does this David person who keeps confusingly changing his name actually think God doesn't tell us how to behave?

Who does, then? People like him?

And, yes, my mother did teach me the world was round. Jesus was right when He said about having to hate your mother and father before being a true follower. I'll never forgive her for attempting to brainwash me away from the literal word of God!
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[Thomas Dalton]

Firstly, I was homeschooled, and my father is a devout Christian, so my "math teacher" didn't teach me any of that confusing "pi is a bit more than three, but we can't give you the exact value, since it's got infinite decimals.". If we're approximating it, why don't go with the Biblical value?
Secondly, read this if you think we're a cult. It will put your mind to rest .

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by davidbrainless

[various arguments]

Have you ever actually READ God's Word? We are not the ones "making up" rules or whatever you think we do. What does the expression BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN or BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCH signify to you?

Could it mean that, we BELIEVE THE BIBLE?

It does mean that. Now if you want to believe something else - many people do believe other things, some of them believe dreadful things - you are free to do so. God tells us, and tells you too if you will listen, that believing other things is an abomination and that if you do believe other things He will send you to hell to be tortured forever. He tells you that because of His Perfect Love, to explain what by yourself you could never work out - because you are imperfect. That is because of sin. God allows us to be redeemed from the certainty of going to hell forever, the condition we are all born into, if sufficient things are killed and their blood squirted over us - but we could never actually kill enough animals and squirt enough blood to atone for our transgressions. Therefore God had Himself murdered at Calvary and squirted His Own Blood onto the ground so that the whole world could be saved.

Notice the word "could" - not everyone will be saved because most people will rely on their own understanding like you are; and if that were sufficient then God would not have needed to give us The Bible, would he.

Please read it.

PROVERBS 3 5,7
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding..
7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

[davidbrainfart]

Originally Posted by davidbrainless AKA davidbain AKA DaveTheInfidel

No woman deserves to be raped. No woman is the property of her father for a rapist to reimburse for his damage. No woman wants to marry her rapist. I don't care what the Bible says! We are better than that!

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Who said that a woman deserves to get raped?

This thread is about WHAT GOD SAYS TO DO IF your daughter gets raped, and then refuses to marry her rapist, mormon.

For this I got a 100 point infraction which Never expires for "being confused." This just goes to show how arbitrary and authoritarian the infractions on this board are. By this criterion most people here should get numerous infractions for being confused.

You've implied that I'm black and assigned two anti-black sterotypes to me while swearing you are not racist. You have referred to me as a "chanukastani (Canadian) terrorist; I am actually from Nashville, Tennessee. You have had fun changing my name to incorporate "brainless" (false on it's face). You've called me a Satan worshipper, a monkey worshipper, and now a mormon, and you think I'm confused?

Great fun for the believers here. I don't think all the church members believe exactly the same thing and I am appealing to those with a sense of fairness to just pay attention to what I have to say.

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Why don't you go back and read the thread from the start, instead of jumping to conclusions!

I have not read all the posts from the start, but I have read enough to address several recurrent issues in the post. The fact that no woman deserves to be raped stand on its own merits whether anyone claims the contrary or not. The notion that women invite rape is deeply imbedded in our society and several posters have echoed this belief on this board

The notion that a woman should marry her rapist is barbaric. There is an old Italian tradition of engagement by rape. If a woman rejects a man's proposal, he can force her to marry him by raping her and therefore making her unmarriageable to anyone else. Until recently community pressure forced the woman to go through with it, even if the reason she rejected the proposal in the first place was because she was aware of his violent tendencies. At least one woman successfully got her would-be fiance convicted for rape. That is as it should be.

There are so many problems with the Bible that it is doubtful that it should be used as a guide to moral behavior, much less scientific insight. Few believe that the admonitions laid down in Leviticus should be applied to people in modern times. Liberal Christians believe that Jesus overturned all the old cruel Old Testament laws. I don't know enough about the Bible to know whether this is true or not, but if the Bible overrides, or appears to override common decency, then decency should prevail.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by davidbrainless

Liberal Christians believe that Jesus overturned all the old cruel Old Testament laws. I don't know enough about the Bible to know whether this is true or not, but if the Bible overrides, or appears to override common decency, then decency should prevail.

Liberal Christians are wrong, and cannot back up this assertion with Scripture. Neither can you.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

Has Heaven and Earth passed? I think not!

[davidbrainfart]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

Have you ever actually READ God's Word? We are not the ones "making up" rules or whatever you think we do. What does the expression BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN or BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCH signify to you?

Could it mean that, we BELIEVE THE BIBLE?

Yes I have read the Bible. I'll admit there is much of it I do not understand. I think that's true for any modern reader, even you.

I believe you believe every word in the Bible as interpreted by your church. Other Christians interpret it differently, for example that the commands in Leviticus were for that time and place only. Your church interprets the story of Noah's son finding him drunk and naked as a justification for white supremacy. I was brought up as a Southern Baptist and even that relatively conservative church never made that connection. The words are just not there.

Liberal Christians believe the Bible was not necessarily meant to be taken literally. I say the Bible is so deeply flawed that it cannot be salvaged as a spiritual guide, but tradition prevails, even if traditional interpretations don't.

The sixty-six books of the Bible were written by about forty different authors, but to anyone who looks at the Bible objectively, it is evident that God was not leaning over their shoulders telling them what to say. They called it as they saw it, or how they wanted their readers to see it.

[davidbrainfart]

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Does this David person who keeps confusingly changing his name actually think God doesn't tell us how to behave?

I don't keep changing my name, the board managers do it for me. I haven't yet figured out how to change it back or even if I have the authority to change it. And I see that this board is big on authority.

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

Who does, then? People like him?

People like me who think for ourselves. Evolution has instilled various forms of altruistic behavior in various species including our own. We also have a rich history that tells us what works and what doesn't. Why throw all this away to go back to 66 books that was written thousands of years ago?

Originally Posted by Redeemed Papist

And, yes, my mother did teach me the world was round. Jesus was right when He said about having to hate your mother and father before being a true follower. I'll never forgive her for attempting to brainwash me away from the literal word of God!
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Your mother was right! Even the pilgrims who settled this country from England must have known, as did Christopher Columbus, that the world was round. The authors of the books of the Bible didn't know that, but we can forgive their ignorance. We cannot forgive modern people who go back to that ignorance looking for authority.

[davidbrainfart]

Originally Posted by davidbrainless

Liberal Christians believe that Jesus overturned all the old cruel Old Testament laws. I don't know enough about the Bible to know whether this is true or not, but if the Bible overrides, or appears to override common decency, then decency should prevail.

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Liberal Christians are wrong, and cannot back up this assertion with Scripture. Neither can you.

I don't know whether liberal Christians can back up their claims or not. I don't care. I don't look to this old flawed document for any kind of authority. I just know I am more comfortable in the company of liberal Christians than I am in the company of reactionary Christians.

ALL HAIL THE BLACK PEOPLE, THE CANADIANS, THE UNICORNS, THE MORMONS AND THE BRAINLESS--oh yes, and the atheists too!!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by davidbrainless

ALL HAIL THE BLACK PEOPLE, THE CANADIANS, THE UNICORNS, THE MORMONS AND THE BRAINLESS--oh yes, and the atheists too!!

This is a very powerful prayer against Witchcraft. This prayer can shut down witches and satanists forever. Being that this prayer basically shuts down the senders of the hexes and vexes by returning their evil to them sevenfold. I now hurl it at you in Christ's name!

Father,
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I plead the precious uncorruptable blood of Jesus over myself and my church and everything that belongs to us. I ask for giant warrior Angels to be loosed from Heaven to surround and protect us. As your war club and weapons of war I break down, undamn, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, physic prayers, physic thought, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, physic power, physic warfare, prayer chains, and everything else being sent my way or my family members way, and I return it and the demons to the senders right now!, SEVENFOLD, and I BIND it to them by the Blood of Jesus!

Father, I pray that these lost souls will find the light of your son Jesus.. Their own snares and traps have been set against themselves.. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I now loose them from all mindcontrol of satan!.. Father I also ask that you Bind the Holy Spirit to there hearts as a guide to your son Jesus.. So they may be set free from the bondages of satan.

In Jesus name I pray..
Amen

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by davidbrainless

Yes I have read the Bible. I'll admit there is much of it I do not understand. I think that's true for any modern reader, even you.

I believe you believe every word in the Bible as interpreted by your church.

It is NEVER necessary to interpret God's Word.

NUMBERS 16:4-5 And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his face: And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, Even tomorrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

You say I am "interpreting" scripture. OK. I'll tell you what I think that means.

The highlighted passage means: Even tomorrow the LORD will shew who are His, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto Him:

What do you think it means?

Further on down the page (and I'll link to the whole chapter for you to read) God tells us what He did to demonstrate who are His, and who is holy and whom He will cause him to come near unto Him.



There was some discussion and Moses said:

NUMBERS 16:30 But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.

That means: But if the LORD make a new thing, and the earth open her mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain unto them, and they go down quick into the pit; then ye shall understand that these men have provoked the LORD.

What do you think it means?

Then God acted. Hallelujah!

NUMBERS 16:31-33 And it came to pass, as he had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them: And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation

The highlighted passage means: the ground clave asunder that was under them: And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them.

What do you think it means?

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