[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

Ehm, where did you find that? I am christian. Early christian and I dont respect ecumenical councils. Seem like I am even less afected by catholic decision about gospels than you. And to be honest, do you want to mock me? When I am pointing at evident command in Scripture - not obeyed by this topic, I dont understand Scripture? Can you prove it? Not. Can I prove emy point by Scripture? Yes. Christ is my strength.

You claim to know your scripture, yet the facts say otherwise. Let's take this one for example:

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

It's not up to you to judge me,

Let's see what The LORD has to say about that now shall we:

• Leviticus 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."
• John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
  
• 2nd Timothy 4:1-2 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

So clearly you are completely unaware of what is actually in the Holy Bible.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

Ehm, where did you find that? I am christian. Early christian and I dont respect ecumenical councils. Seem like I am even less afected by catholic decision about gospels than you.

And to be honest, do you want to mock me? When I am pointing at evident command in Scripture - not obeyed by this topic, I dont understand Scripture? Can you prove it? Not. Can I prove emy point by Scripture? Yes.

Christ is my strength.

You aren't a TRUE Christian, no TRUE Christian would accept Obama as being a legitimate president of the United States. Look at his name "Obama", do you see it in The Bible? No!

[Julianus Apostata]

Lets see more of it, not only cuted sentence by yours to prove your point, which seems clumsy, as you are not solving the main issue I am asking, but rather you are attacking on something, which is far more relative as judgement is base on us, but command is based on Scripture.

SO tell me Christian, why are you not obeying Scripture and cursing your ruler? As you are not answering in your post I presume you are eager to stay in disloyality to Scripture and want to be in Hell. I am sad for you. I've developed all defense of Holy Bible in my previous post. They are inpenetrable as Heaven is inpenetrable by the lie. Through complete obedience of Scripture, included not cursing rulers - comes true salvation. You've choosen another way for you and I find rather much more painfull, taht you didnt realise that sooner and done a lot of crusing against your ruler. And I am sorry, that Christ didnt want to help you sooner.

We all are learning from Scripture all our short lifetime here. I'ts unpolite to got upper hand by experience. Purity matters.

Christ is my strength and he will not abandon me and so I am continuing in defense of Scripture.

Leviticus 19:15 (King James Version)


15Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.


Unrighteousness.. this is what God give us..to be able to make a choice between right and false. When I am not God I cant be sure if anything is 100% false or right, my judgement is questionable, your's aswell, but only Scripture is 100% right. I am defending Scripture when you are trying to make obstacles and you still didnt bow to the mighty Jesus Christ and asked him for pardon, as you were cursing your ruler and that is AGAINST SCRIPTURE! ABSOLUTE RIGHTEOUSNESS! You want to question that? Hell awaits!
28 Exodus: Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.Why I am righteousness? Because I am judging you through the facts of Scripture, which are not questionable, anything against it is false and so Leviticus 19:15 comes to my aid. Cursing ruler is a SIN! To tolerate it is a SIN!



John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

Accomplished by my defense against not obeying God's Words.




2nd Timothy 4:1-2 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Do you want to really tell me, that you are able to Preach the word when you are unable to not even stop cursing your ruler? I am the one who has right since the beginning, becuase it's not me who gives a proof, I am a tool, the Bible is a proof! So this holy quotation serves the truth right!

28 Exodus: Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

It's our God's Words! How dare you!

[Julianus Apostata]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

You aren't a TRUE Christian, no TRUE Christian would accept Obama as being a legitimate president of the United States. Look at his name "Obama", do you see it in The Bible? No!

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

the Bible doesn't telling us that ilegitimate ruler, is'nt ruler, if his "ruling" actually is a fact, and our christian reason is guided by such facts which we are comparing with God's Words in Bible and through it - salvation.

Prove otherwise or remain quiet. I have to tell you, that if you like or dislike your ruler doesnt have anything with a faith, which is about suffering for Christ and absolute obedience to Scripture in seek for God. You are not a children to refuse a salty candy from God because its not a normal candy, just because of your pleasure in your short lifetime. Heaven and Hell matters.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

Do you want to really tell me, that you are able to Preach the word when you are unable to not even stop cursing your ruler?

Not only are you unable to read the Bible, you are unable to read the postings on this forum as well. I never mentioned any rulers, I have a very good eye so I don't need one anyway. I was proving beyond a shred of doubt that you are unaware of what is in the Holy Bible. Something you tried to avoid by quickly changing the subject. You cannot fool God friend: Proverbs 15:3 "The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good." Acts 1:24 "And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen"

[Julianus Apostata]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

Not only are you unable to read the Bible, you are unable to read the postings on this forum as well. I never mentioned any rulers, I have a very good eye so I don't need one anyway. I was proving beyond a shred of doubt that you are unaware of what is in the Holy Bible. Something you tried to avoid by quickly changing the subject. You cannot fool God friend: Proverbs 15:3 "The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good." Acts 1:24 "And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen"

You didnt mentioned Obama? Unbelievable lie. Look at this topic, at your posts about your president, your ruler. By creating this topic, you cursed your ruler, Obama unbelievably. Thats enough, I am astonished by your refusing of Scripture. Thanks for quotations - gives me right and hope.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

You didnt mentioned Obama?

I never said that I didn't mention Obama. Again you demonstrate your inability to read scripture and postings.

Unbelievable lie. Look at this topic, at your posts about your president, your ruler. By creating this topic, you cursed your ruler, Obama unbelievably.

I am not aware of any cursing actually. But I can assure you Obama is not my ruler. Jesus Christ is my ruler. Obama is not even my president as he has failed to show us his birth certificate, so he is an illegal alien illegally claiming to be our president.

And now it is time for you to stop changing the subject. I proved to everyone visiting this forum that you are unaware of scripture, are you ready to apologize to Jesus yet?

[Julianus Apostata]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

I never said that I didn't mention Obama. Again you demonstrate your inability to read scripture and postings.

I am not aware of any cursing actually. But I can assure you Obama is not my ruler. Jesus Christ is my ruler. Obama is not even my president as he has failed to show us his birth certificate, so he is an illegal alien illegally claiming to be our president.

And now it is time for you to stop changing the subject. I proved to everyone visiting this forum that you are unaware of scripture, are you ready to apologize to Jesus yet?

You seem to fail to see the point and, as you can now, its you who's changing subject. I was asking you firstly why you curse your ruler and since then you are trying to persuade me with suck trinkets as - he's not legitimate and so on, or attacking my awareness, but you are attacking only a problem you created yourself, sad.

So again - the Bible doesn't telling us that ilegitimate ruler, is'nt ruler, if his "ruling" actually is a fact, and our christian reason is guided by such facts which we are comparing with God's Words in Bible and through it - salvation.

You are unable to prove otherwise and you are cursing Obama - you are going to Hell and you are a blasphemer or a fool trying to make a point without charging me without a proof froma Bible. All you show us is quotations which are about everyone's own soul and I accused you rightfuly with disobeying Scripture. All what you will write in future will be another nets of uncertain relativistic lies or unlogical strucutres not base on Scripture. So I say farewell to you, sad man. I will pray for your soul and I forgive you.

Luke 23
34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

[Cranky Old Man]

You are never going to respond now are you? You will keep changing the subject to avoid admitting you are completely and utterly wrong.

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

So again - the Bible doesn't telling us that ilegitimate ruler, is'nt ruler, if his "ruling" actually is a fact, and our christian reason is guided by such facts which we are comparing with God's Words in Bible and through it - salvation.

So according to your logic, which is completely flawed, everyone who claims to be a ruler, no matter how illegitimate, automatically becomes a ruler?

Well, let's see if you believe your own nonsense. I hereby formaly declare myself to be your ruler! So according to your own logic I am now your ruler right! I command you to cut of your hands and poke out your eyes, in accordance with Mark 9:43 and Mark 9:47. Please post proof on this forum.

Again you have demonstrated to not know the Holy scripture. It's probably still shrink wrapped. Time for that apology to Jesus yet?

[Julianus Apostata]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

You are never going to respond now are you? You will keep changing the subject to avoid admitting you are completely and utterly wrong. So according to your logic, which is completely flawed, everyone who claims to be a ruler, no matter how illegitimate, automatically becomes a ruler?

Well, let's see if you believe your own nonsense. I hereby formaly declare myself to be your ruler! So according to your own logic I am now your ruler right! I command you to cut of your hands and poke out your eyes, in accordance with Mark 9:43 and Mark 9:47. Please post proof on this forum.

Again you have demonstrated to not know the Holy scripture. It's probably still shrink wrapped. Time for that apology to Jesus yet?

You are not my ruler, practicly. I can have only one ruler of our people. You seem forgot the whole quotation old man, which I find not amusing but again - sad.
28 Exodus: Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

You are not ruling my country. You are not a ruler. You dont have a power given by our people. Dot. Nice try, but I dont see any honorable point but only perverted try to test my faith.

But I wrote that, but you seem you have a problem with that aswell.
"is'nt ruler, if his "ruling" actually is a fact" your ruling over me is not a fact, you were given no power over me in this world.


Please try to be more cautious next time. As I am not really amused to see brother in trouble. I will already pray for you this evening twice and I hope, you will soon or later be given Truth.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

Prove otherwise or remain quiet. I have to tell you, that if you like or dislike your ruler doesnt have anything with a faith, which is about suffering for Christ and absolute obedience to Scripture in seek for God. You are not a children to refuse a salty candy from God because its not a normal candy, just because of your pleasure in your short lifetime. Heaven and Hell matters.

Oh dare you talk to me that way! My grandfather fought in WWII! I am as patriotic as any other Christian American alive!

Show me in the Bible the name "Obama" and I will admit Obama is as REAL as an American as George Bush.

[Cranky Old Man]

Where is the proof?

[Julianus Apostata]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

Oh dare you talk to me that way! My grandfather fought in WWII! I am as patriotic as any other Christian American alive!

Show me in the Bible the name "Obama" and I will admit Obama is as REAL as an American as George Bush.

Doesnt matters. He's your ruler still, accepted by your people, legitibly or not. You shall obey him or face the wrath of God. Rulers of our country arent named in Bible, as many other rulers, making them not less legitimate nor able to do their office. Or prove me, that only presidents named in the Bible can be rulers...but still man, we are here in problem of legitimacy and not the fact that he's your ruler and HE IS. You cant deny it. You cant deny God's Work.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

He's your ruler still, accepted by your people

We never accepted Obama as our ruler. You are the first person I met who thinks he is. George W. Bush is still our only legitimate president, until Sarah Palin takes over.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

Doesnt matters. He's your ruler still, accepted by your people, legitibly or not. You shall obey him or face the wrath of God. Rulers of our country arent named in Bible, as many other rulers, making them not less legitimate nor able to do their office. Or prove me, that only presidents named in the Bible can be rulers...but still man, we are here in problem of legitimacy and not the fact that he's your ruler and HE IS. You cant deny it. You cant deny God's Work.

EXCUSE ME, You ever heard of ACORN????

55% of the American people were intimated into voting for Obama by COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS thugs!!!


Obama is no a legitimate president than Adolph Hitler was.

[Julianus Apostata]

It's not a problem of legitimacy. He sits in his office, doing his work. Doing work as a president. George Bush presidency ended already. Obama is the official head of USA, ruler of USA, you are citizens of USA. Again..its not about legitimacy, its about practical circumstances - he's your ruler, not wanted, still ruler. You shall obey commands of God's Word. You shall not curse him.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

It's not a problem of legitimacy. He sits in his office, doing his work. Doing work as a president. George Bush presidency ended already. Obama is the official head of USA, ruler of USA, you are citizens of USA. Again..its not about legitimacy, its about practical circumstances - he's your ruler, not wanted, still ruler. You shall obey commands of God's Word. You shall not curse him.

The only reason God allowed Obama to be president to because the American people turned their back on GW Bush.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

28 Exodus: Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

It's still remains with the very same meaning. How could I curse the president, which was declared as one by this state and deputies of this country. I would be going against God's Words. That's not my path.
Now I will read what you've suggested.

Originally Posted by Julianus Apostata

You didnt mentioned Obama? Unbelievable lie. Look at this topic, at your posts about your president, your ruler. By creating this topic, you cursed your ruler, Obama unbelievably. Thats enough, I am astonished by your refusing of Scripture. Thanks for quotations - gives me right and hope.

Please show me the "curse".

I didn't see a curse.

Saying someone is not a legitimate President, and attacking his socialist policies or his encouragement of Islamofascism, is not "cursing" him.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cursing

An appeal or prayer for evil or misfortune to befall someone or something.

If you want to comment on Scripture, it would be wise to first learn basic English.

[Seth Campbell]

Originally Posted by Bobby-Joe

EXCUSE ME, You ever heard of ACORN????

55% of the American people were intimated into voting for Obama by COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS thugs!!!


Obama is no a legitimate president than Adolph Hitler was.

Actually Brother, I believe Adolph's election was more legitimate. Acorn is a front for the liebral atheists, and lets face it, skewed the election in their favor.

I really don't see how anyone can consider him the POTUS, especially when he's shown how incapable he is of doing the job. But hey, if we say anything against him, it means we're racists, right?

[H. Montague Worthington]

Hitler started as a community organizer on the South Side of Munich. He paid off his student loans with the royalties from Mein Kampf.

Look it up.