[James Dewitt]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

Its really questionable to judge if he's or not a ruler of yours by legitimacy of his ability to do his office, but the fact is that he's frankly in this office, he's doing that job of the formal head of the United States, we cant deny such fact. Legitimate or not, the Bible doesn't telling us that ilegitimate ruler, is'nt ruler, if his "ruling" actually is a fact, and our christian reason is guided by such facts which we are comparing with God's Words in Bible and through it - salvation. In God's hand is this all and Bible our guide, still. We have no right to curse even Herod if we were habitants of Jerusalem of that time, Stalin, if we were unlucky Landover Babtist Church followers in Russia (and were citizens of Russia) and so on.

I did not vote for him. Osamba is not my President. Osamba sucks at his job. I think we should fire him.

[Julianus Apostata]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

I did not vote for him. Osamba is not my President. Osamba sucks at his job. I think we should fire him.

There are others, which are not making excuses, that they didn't vote for him. As that is not deciding if it's your ruler or not, but by the final count of votes. When crusaders in 1204 utterly sacked noble christian Constantinople, former population didnt want them either, and crusader rulers became their rulers for period of time. And as the Bible shines truth, they were not cursing them and if yes, they were cursing through it God, and his intentions. As God's ways are mysterious ways, through pain, sanctity and passion - salvation. This is what God's taught us through his Son and the Bible - that price of heaven is a virtue. And virtue is being obeying God's commands in the Bible, who cares how much you dislike them, when they are God's revelation of truth and that's only thing which counts for a true christian.

[Julianus Apostata]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

Henceforth I still insist on:
28 Exodus: Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.


Forget your reason, when it collides with the Truth.
That you shall not curse the ruler of your people as such sin would'nt be forgotten.

[A Follower]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

Henceforth I still insist on:
28 Exodus: Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.


Forget your reason, when it collides with the Truth.
That you shall not curse the ruler of your people as such sin would'nt be forgotten.

The day Obama stops playing golf and plotting terrorist attacks on innocent Americans and actually starts ruling us, perhaps do something about that economic crisis that's been festering for the past two years, that's the day I will stop cursing him. Until then he is not a ruler and does not deserve any of the protections of a ruler.

[Julianus Apostata]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

The day Obama stops playing golf and plotting terrorist attacks on innocent Americans and actually starts ruling us, perhaps do something about that economic crisis that's been festering for the past two years, that's the day I will stop cursing him. Until then he is not a ruler and does not deserve any of the protections of a ruler.

I am really trying to tell you, that that's not an correct attitude. It's a sin to curse any ruler of your country, good or bad. Read my posts again, its a sin to make excuses because he's doing something with what you disagree. It's not about it, it's about our Holy Bible! We could not worship God if we would thought that he was doing something wrong? Of course we have to worship him! As our wisdom is not a centre of world, it's not up to us to curse someone we're not allowed to! It's the very same matter! Get it!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

I am really trying to tell you, that that's not an correct attitude. It's a sin to curse any ruler of your country, good or bad. Read my posts again, its a sin to make excuses because he's doing something with what you disagree. It's not about it, it's about our Holy Bible! We could not worship God if we would thought that he was doing something wrong? Of course we have to worship him! As our wisdom is not a centre of world, it's not up to us to curse someone we're not allowed to! It's the very same matter! Get it!

Can you back ANY of that up with Scripture?

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

[Julianus Apostata]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

Can you back ANY of that up with Scripture?

But I am constructing all defense of my right from this, as your Church are doing, from Scripture.

Holy Bible is giving us commands - these commands are than processed by our choice, if we shall obey them, or not. That's the disease from the first sin, that's the consequience of taking the fruit from Tree of knowledge. I hope that this I dont have to backup, as I feel somewhat embarassing, to backup even the typical facts from the Bible, like I would be talking to non believers.


To make a choice is therefore based on our wisdom, created by God. If something is more close to God's Words I shall obey it and prefer it rather going against it. Fact for this is God's intention to judge us, fact that God's judge us is not questionable! And as you are reading the Bible and it's your mighty guide to Heaven:

28 Exodus: Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

I said more things recently: the Bible doesn't telling us that ilegitimate ruler, is'nt ruler, if his "ruling" actually is a fact, and our christian reason is guided by such facts which we are comparing with God's Words in Bible and through it - salvation.

That's the fact. In the Bible, we cant see illegitimacy as anything which is affecting if commonly accepted/or voted ruler is in fact a ruler or not! In this sentence I aswell said that God's give us choice by considering, that's also fact. Heaven and Hell are real. And our fate is decided by our considering actions in this short lifetime.

I also said: There are others, which are not making excuses, that they didn't vote for him. As that is not deciding by it if it's your ruler or not, but by the final count of votes. When crusaders in 1204 utterly sacked noble christian Constantinople, former population didnt want them either, and crusader rulers became their rulers for period of time. And as the Bible shines truth, they were not cursing them and if yes, they were cursing through it God, and his intentions. As God's ways are mysterious ways, through pain, sanctity and passion - salvation. This is what God's taught us through his Son and the Bible - that price of heaven is a virtue. And virtue is being obeying God's commands in the Bible, who cares how much you dislike them, when they are God's revelation of truth and that's only thing which counts for a true christian.


It's well known, that our time here is a trial, if we are worthy of God's love.

Romans 14
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.


11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.


Henceforth I say - to curse your ruler is a bad sin and contrary to the Word of God! My doing here is no really for purpose of flaming, and I feel very sad for you if you think so, as I am only doing what Scripture says:

20Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

[Julianus Apostata]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

It's not up to you to judge me, I live by Scripture and warn you:
19Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

But I am constructing all defense of my right from this, as your Church are doing, from Scripture.

How can you do that? You aren't a Christian. You lack the special understand we Christians have to understand Scripture.

[Julianus Apostata]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

How can you do that? You aren't a Christian. You lack the special understand we Christians have to understand Scripture.

Ehm, where did you find that? I am christian. Early christian and I dont respect ecumenical councils. Seem like I am even less afected by catholic decision about gospels than you.

And to be honest, do you want to mock me? When I am pointing at evident command in Scripture - not obeyed by this topic, I dont understand Scripture? Can you prove it? Not. Can I prove emy point by Scripture? Yes.

Christ is my strength.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

Ehm, where did you find that? I am christian. Early christian and I dont respect ecumenical councils. Seem like I am even less afected by catholic decision about gospels than you. And to be honest, do you want to mock me? When I am pointing at evident command in Scripture - not obeyed by this topic, I dont understand Scripture? Can you prove it? Not. Can I prove emy point by Scripture? Yes. Christ is my strength.

You claim to know your scripture, yet the facts say otherwise. Let's take this one for example:

It's not up to you to judge me,

Let's see what The LORD has to say about that now shall we:

• Leviticus 19:15 "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."
• John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
  
• 2nd Timothy 4:1-2 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

So clearly you are completely unaware of what is actually in the Holy Bible.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

Ehm, where did you find that? I am christian. Early christian and I dont respect ecumenical councils. Seem like I am even less afected by catholic decision about gospels than you.

And to be honest, do you want to mock me? When I am pointing at evident command in Scripture - not obeyed by this topic, I dont understand Scripture? Can you prove it? Not. Can I prove emy point by Scripture? Yes.

Christ is my strength.

You aren't a TRUE Christian, no TRUE Christian would accept Obama as being a legitimate president of the United States. Look at his name "Obama", do you see it in The Bible? No!

[Julianus Apostata]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

Lets see more of it, not only cuted sentence by yours to prove your point, which seems clumsy, as you are not solving the main issue I am asking, but rather you are attacking on something, which is far more relative as judgement is base on us, but command is based on Scripture.

SO tell me Christian, why are you not obeying Scripture and cursing your ruler? As you are not answering in your post I presume you are eager to stay in disloyality to Scripture and want to be in Hell. I am sad for you. I've developed all defense of Holy Bible in my previous post. They are inpenetrable as Heaven is inpenetrable by the lie. Through complete obedience of Scripture, included not cursing rulers - comes true salvation. You've choosen another way for you and I find rather much more painfull, taht you didnt realise that sooner and done a lot of crusing against your ruler. And I am sorry, that Christ didnt want to help you sooner.

We all are learning from Scripture all our short lifetime here. I'ts unpolite to got upper hand by experience. Purity matters.

Christ is my strength and he will not abandon me and so I am continuing in defense of Scripture.

Leviticus 19:15 (King James Version)


15Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.


Unrighteousness.. this is what God give us..to be able to make a choice between right and false. When I am not God I cant be sure if anything is 100% false or right, my judgement is questionable, your's aswell, but only Scripture is 100% right. I am defending Scripture when you are trying to make obstacles and you still didnt bow to the mighty Jesus Christ and asked him for pardon, as you were cursing your ruler and that is AGAINST SCRIPTURE! ABSOLUTE RIGHTEOUSNESS! You want to question that? Hell awaits!
28 Exodus: Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.Why I am righteousness? Because I am judging you through the facts of Scripture, which are not questionable, anything against it is false and so Leviticus 19:15 comes to my aid. Cursing ruler is a SIN! To tolerate it is a SIN!



John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

Accomplished by my defense against not obeying God's Words.




2nd Timothy 4:1-2 "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Do you want to really tell me, that you are able to Preach the word when you are unable to not even stop cursing your ruler? I am the one who has right since the beginning, becuase it's not me who gives a proof, I am a tool, the Bible is a proof! So this holy quotation serves the truth right!

28 Exodus: Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

It's our God's Words! How dare you!

[Julianus Apostata]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

You aren't a TRUE Christian, no TRUE Christian would accept Obama as being a legitimate president of the United States. Look at his name "Obama", do you see it in The Bible? No!

the Bible doesn't telling us that ilegitimate ruler, is'nt ruler, if his "ruling" actually is a fact, and our christian reason is guided by such facts which we are comparing with God's Words in Bible and through it - salvation.

Prove otherwise or remain quiet. I have to tell you, that if you like or dislike your ruler doesnt have anything with a faith, which is about suffering for Christ and absolute obedience to Scripture in seek for God. You are not a children to refuse a salty candy from God because its not a normal candy, just because of your pleasure in your short lifetime. Heaven and Hell matters.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Barack Obama, America's WORST disaster ever!

Do you want to really tell me, that you are able to Preach the word when you are unable to not even stop cursing your ruler?

Not only are you unable to read the Bible, you are unable to read the postings on this forum as well. I never mentioned any rulers, I have a very good eye so I don't need one anyway. I was proving beyond a shred of doubt that you are unaware of what is in the Holy Bible. Something you tried to avoid by quickly changing the subject. You cannot fool God friend: Proverbs 15:3 "The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good." Acts 1:24 "And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen"