[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

So now Theresa May is ready to hold the Brexit vote again that she had cancelled last week because too many of her party were going to vote against it. This time, with her consolidated win of 200 votes, she's likely to get around 200 out of 650 in the full vote. After that, someone will probably table a full no confidence vote that includes those who aren't her closest 317 friends.

Small update - today Mrs. May finally got round to re-doing her Brexit vote. The result was 432 to 202, so she actually got 2 more than we predicted last month. Congratulations!

Now after 18 months of discussion and hand-wringing, the result can move the Brexit process along to the next stage of indecision, chaos and right-wing indignation at anything short of walking into German machine gun fire with a cheeky British grin. Over the top lads, long way to Tipparary, let's all 'av a cuppa Rosie!

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Small update - today Mrs. May finally got round to re-doing her Brexit vote. The result was 432 to 202, so she actually got 2 more than we predicted last month. Congratulations!

Thank you for that link, Dr Toole. My husband and I were at our London house on Monday and Tuesday nights, and I must say that at 1 minute 42 seconds, CBS News devoted approximately 1 minute 40 seconds more time to the result than we did.

It is over 73 years since Britain had what you might call a proper war against its continental neighbors - I don't count those half-hearted domestic conflicts in Ireland or the infamous Cod Wars, which the devious Icelandics won by cheating! How can Mrs May expect to achieve domination over Europe if she is not prepared to put soldiers on the ground and bombers in the sky? Anything worth fighting two World Wars over is worth fighting a third one over!

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

In further news from the Disunited Kingdom of Not-so-Great Britain and the Crazier (but Mostly Sober) Part of Ireland, Mrs May's government retains its Strong and Stable grip on Reality following a stunning 325 to 306 victory in a parliamentary vote. This one was an attempt by the communists to fire the government - honestly, the nerve of some people!

It occurs to me, Dr Toole, that you mentioned Mrs May having 317 friends, (though this number includes herself). I see from the voting results that of the 325 votes in her favor, 10 were from the bog-dwellers of Ulster who had been bribed to the tune of £1 billion (about $399.99 at the current rate of exchange) and one was from another mad Ulsterwoman who calls herself an "independent". This reveals that only 314 of Mrs May's friends voted for her.

But if we add in the votes of the tellers, whose votes are not counted (you really have to wonder why they even bother voting), the number rises to 316 - one short of the 317 members of Mrs May's party. Did Mrs May fail to vote for confidence in herself? If not, who is the traitor?

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I'd hazard to guess there was a "pairing" arrangement, whereby 2 members who will cast opposing votes agree not to attend, e.g. in case of hospitalization or travel arrangements. (The Conservatives don't always hold up their end of the deal so this may not exist any more).

But yes, I also read the news about Theresa (and friends +/- 1) crushing the communist party. With that out of the way, the UK is ready to start fresh at square 1 again. In fact, they haven't threatened to leave square 1 for the past 2.5 years and I am a firm believer that this is the final state for the UK. Eternal extensions to article 50 until all the negative consequences of no deal happen anyway. Nobody will care if they stay in or stay out and it actually won't matter so why bother doing anything at all.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I'd hazard to guess there was a "pairing" arrangement...

I prefer to think that Mrs May failed to vote for herself, constrained by her natural modesty. Like her communist predecessor Clement Attlee, she has much to be modest about.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Would communists honour pairing traditions where Christendom was within their grasp?

[OneFailure]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I think Brexit will last longer than the trump presidency since trumps presidency will last eight If he is reelected but then someone else will be reelected

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I think Brexit will last longer than the trump presidency since trumps presidency will last eight If he is reelected but then someone else will be reelected

Reelected? You mean one of our previous presidents will become president after Trump? Interesting.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I think Brexit will last longer than the trump presidency since trumps presidency will last eight If he is reelected but then someone else will be reelected

The poll is asking how long the Brexit dream will last. Thanks for offering your opinion on a different question tho. Also, Trump is capitalized while If is not, not to mention apostrophes and periods. Other than that - good post?

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Has anyone else noticed the moaning Minnies trying to transmute dreams into nightmares? It's the socialist way. Not even their own dreams are safe. Or should I say especially vulnerable.

First they wanted to line up the Tsars and shoot them. Now whether that was the people's choice or whether Tsars deserve to be shot is immaterial. Next, in the exuberance of youth, socialists found all sorts of people to shoot. By their own assessment the dream must have been pretty close, yet never attained. What they got was an internal spy network.

Having ruined their own dreams it was time to start on everyone else's. So far they're doing a pretty good job in attempting. worldwide nightmares for anyone dreaming of freedom. Especially freedom in Christ.

Or is it just me?

[Basilissa]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

I've been reading about this Brexit debacle, and I think I have the perfect solution for the Brits. In a nutshell, Brits want out because they don't want unwashed immigrants from poor places, and they don't want their money going to poor places, but they also want free trade/cheap stuff from Europe.

So here's the solution: invade Europe and make it British colony. Start with the easy conquests - France and Italy will surrender as soon as they see someone waving a weapon (even if it's a plastic toy one). The most feisty individuals in France are marked by yellow vests, but give them some free gasoline (petrol, as the Brits call it, I think) and that will make them happy. Then take the Netherlands (they are all stoned, so they won't notice anyway), and all the tiny made up countries like Lichtenstein - they won't make a fuss, either.

Based on Europe's messy history, the only problems will be with Switzerland, Germany, and Poland. The first one, just nuke them (it will be so much easier than conquering) - that should make the latter two much more cooperative - if not, just nuke them, too. Austria will do whatever Germany does, so if Germany gets nuked, Austria should, too. Anything east of Poland belongs in the Russian Empire. Anything north of the Baltic Sea is a frozen wasteland that's not worth conquering. You can nuke them just for fun, though.

So once you made Europe into your colony, you set the rules. Problem solved.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

So here's the solution: invade Europe and make it British colony.

Sister Bas, we are of one mind on this! As I said upthread:

It is over 73 years since Britain had what you might call a proper war against its continental neighbors - I don't count those half-hearted domestic conflicts in Ireland or the infamous Cod Wars, which the devious Icelandics won by cheating! How can Mrs May expect to achieve domination over Europe if she is not prepared to put soldiers on the ground and bombers in the sky? Anything worth fighting two World Wars over is worth fighting a third one over!

So what we are looking at here is a United Europe under British rule.

Based on Europe's messy history, the only problems will be with Switzerland, Germany, and Poland.

I don't think Poland will be a problem. If the Daily Express is to be believed - and it certainly is, being the British newspaper of record - about 90% of the population of Poland is already resident in Britain and the rest will happily become Russian. The Swiss are notoriously unwilling to fight and will just simper "Oh, we're Swiss, we're so boring and neutral, please buy our greasy chocolate." Germany is another matter, but old enemies are always worth fighting. Under the three strikes law, this should be the final conflict for them.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Should that stuff consumed in Europe even be called chocolate?

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Should that stuff consumed in Europe even be called chocolate?

Sister, we very much rely on care packages from Freehold for these small luxuries.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Which will last longer: Brexit dream or Trump presidency?

Sister, we very much rely on care packages from Freehold for these small luxuries.

You're welcome. Perhaps if you tried getting them to speak your language?
After all, whatever begins at Calais can only ever be improved.