[Brother Jared]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Sister Mary please did you not read my words? I grew up reading the Bible, my mother showing me all of it and I reading it of myself. I know the Holy Bible and love it's words with all my heart and soul . I Holy Bible clearly shows how one is to follow Jesus Christ, my beloved Savior.


Thank you kindly my good sir for the welcome, it's so nice of you. On my mother, that is her choice, she wishes to keep pure her memory of my father.
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Brother Jared:
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

A few things with this, God told Adam not to eat of the fruit and then made Eve as a help meet for Adam saying that man should not be alone. Clearly showing God sees that men need women and should not be without one.

Now onto the serpent it clearly says he is clever or as it shows 'subtil of all the beasts'. Both Adam and Eve were still 'young', the above scriptures do not say they were in the garden for long, and as such did not yet have the wisdom needed to resist the one that tempt them.

Eve is convinced by the serpent to eat of the fruit and then offered it to her husband and he accepted. Clearly this would be along the lines of "Oh husband this tastes so good, try some", "Hmmm well maybe a little bite wont hurt, hey this is really good".

Adam and Eve had equal standing before God before the fall. There was no concept of headship or defined roles for their conduct. God's response to the sin of Eve was to change her relationship in respect to Adam and Himself. She was told that her desire would be to her husband and that he would rule over her. From this point forward in scripture man is in a role of spiritual leadership and as the head of the wife. Adam's sin was that he listened to Eve rather than God.

Eve failed to consider Adam and God's warning against the tree of knowledge. The temptation grew so strong in her mind that she sought to be like God. Her actions started a chain of events which were to have a direct affect not only on herself, but also Adam and the entire creation. She assumed headship over her husband in that her decision directly affected him without giving him opportunity for input. Therefore Eve was really to blame for the sinning.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

How do you even know Adam knew what fruit Eve was bringing him?

She was supposed to be his assistant. He should have been able to rely on her to bring him good things.

Actually if we were to get technical with the wording in the Holy Bible God only commanded Adam not to eat the fruit, Eve hadn't even been born yet.

The Holy Bible does not say she did or didn't tell her husband what the fruit was, nor does the Holy Bible say that Adam did or didn't know what the fruit was. It just doesn't say.
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I'm sorry what where does it say that Eve sought to be like God, also why do you discredit God by suggesting Eve ruined his creation? God knows all things and nothing is hidden from him.

Also before the Fall there was no meaning of Joy and Sorrow, Good and Evil, Hope and Dispair, exc. God being wise and knowing would see what needs to be done.

[Sally Ann]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I'm not convinced a woman will know for sure that she doesn't have to be set straight sometime. Especially if there's no husband or father around. Your prime task must be to find a husband so you can start making small soldiers for God! Landover actually have a forum for this purpose!

Why don't you stop telling her what to do

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually if we were to get technical with the wording in the Holy Bible God only commanded Adam not to eat the fruit, Eve hadn't even been born yet.

The Holy Bible does not say she did or didn't tell her husband what the fruit was, nor does the Holy Bible say that Adam did or didn't know what the fruit was. It just doesn't say.

So are you suggesting that Eve didn't know she wasn't supposed to eat the fruit, and Adam didn't know what the fruit was, which would mean neither of them actually sinned, because sin requires intent?

I hope that's not what you're trying to suggest here. That's sacrilege!

[Didymus Much]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Why don't you stop telling her what to do

He's just repeating what the Bible tells her she must do, Napa Valley Ann.

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually they technically transgressed not sinned, as you cannot sin without a knowledge of good and evil... which is what the tree actually give them.

They did do wrong though and God's punishment was just.

[Brother Jared]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Have you even read the Bible???

Actually if we were to get technical with the wording in the Holy Bible God only commanded Adam not to eat the fruit, Eve hadn't even been born yet.

Eve was clearly aware it was off limits (Genesis 3:1-3)

The Holy Bible does not say she did or didn't tell her husband what the fruit was, nor does the Holy Bible say that Adam did or didn't know what the fruit was. It just doesn't say.

I don't understand you. If we're talking about who were to blame, then you're indicating Eve consciously deceived Adam?

I'm sorry what where does it say that Eve sought to be like God.

Genesis 3:5

why do you discredit God by suggesting Eve ruined his creation?

Read what I wrote. I never stated that.


There's a big difference in what YOU want the Bible to say and what it ACTUALLY says. Read it before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually they technically transgressed not sinned, as you cannot sin without a knowledge of good and evil... which is what the tree actually give them.

They did do wrong though and God's punishment was just.

Interesting. You say they didn't sin, but transgressed. Why would they be punished with death, and Eve (and all future women) with pain in labor, for doing something she didn't know she wasn't supposed to do? How is that just?

Surely, Eve must have known she was doing the wrong thing and done it intentionally. Otherwise, she did not sin, did she?

[StarDreamerNight]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Sighs, please Brother Jared have you not heard me? I grew up reading the Holy Bible and taught in my youth to follow all it teaches. The Holy Bible is the most important book in my life and it would pain me not to read its words. I have said this, so your question does not make sense. I respect you, you seem to be a good man but I do read Holy Bible as it is. As such Adam was as much to blame as Eve, and Eve did not decieve her husband.


Yes Eve was aware of what God told her husband but she herself had not commanded not to eat, God specifically told Adam that he was not to eat of the fruit or one else. That and where was Adam? If Adam was near he would have been able to warn Eve of the danger of the serpent and even stopped it. Why was Adam being neglectful of his wife in a place so new to her?


This is what the serpent was saying to Eve, with his lying tongue. The scripture does not say that is what Eve wanted or that was what she was thinking, indeed it was when she gazed on the fruit and saw it was desirable and well... looked tasty that she wanted to eat it.


Your words more then suggest it was Eve's fault life is hard, when based of the scriptures gaven you from the Holy Bible it is both Adam and Eve's fault.
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Please Brother Jared, I do not wish to move into conflict with one of God's servant so can we not stop? I do not wish to come into conflict with anyone here, why must we?


Also where is Sister Mary, will she not speak to me?

[Brother Jared]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I should be sighing.

Sighs, please Brother Jared have you not heard me? I grew up reading the Holy Bible and taught in my youth to follow all it teaches. The Holy Bible is the most important book in my life and it would pain me not to read its words. I have said this, so your question does not make sense. I respect you, you seem to be a good man but I do read Holy Bible as it is.

If you have, you have clearly not studied it well enough.

As such Adam was as much to blame as Eve

Why is that so?

Eve did not decieve her husband.

You were the one implying that, not me.

Yes Eve was aware of what God told her husband but she herself had not commanded not to eat, God specifically told Adam that he was not to eat of the fruit or one else. That and where was Adam? If Adam was near he would have been able to warn Eve of the danger of the serpent and even stopped it. Why was Adam being neglectful of his wife in a place so new to her?

So she knows she's not allowed to eat it, but hasn't been told herself ... and that makes it perfectly legitimate to eat it? Or what are you trying to say?

Where Adam was, we don't know. But remember it was AFTER the fall that Adam was assigned to rule over Eve - clearly because she needed someone to look out for her! (Genesis 3:16)

This is what the serpent was saying to Eve, with his lying tongue. The scripture does not say that is what Eve wanted or that was what she was thinking, indeed it was when she gazed on the fruit and saw it was desirable and well... looked tasty that she wanted to eat it.

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat" (Genesis 3:6)

Obviously she was tempted by being wise like God.

Your words more then suggest it was Eve's fault life is hard, when based of the scriptures gaven you from the Holy Bible it is both Adam and Eve's fault.

Adam is punished for listening to Eve, ignoring God's command, and thereby eating the forbidden fruit.

Please Brother Jared, I do not wish to move into conflict with one of God's servant so can we not stop? I do not wish to come into conflict with anyone here, why must we?

You're not conflicting me, but the Holy Bible with your views. The conflict stops when you stop interpreting the Bible through your feminist opinions.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

This is what the serpent was saying to Eve, with his lying tongue.

What, specifically, did the serpent lie about?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually if we were to get technical with the wording in the Holy Bible God only commanded Adam not to eat the fruit, Eve hadn't even been born yet.

The Holy Bible does not say she did or didn't tell her husband what the fruit was, nor does the Holy Bible say that Adam did or didn't know what the fruit was. It just doesn't say.
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I'm sorry what where does it say that Eve sought to be like God, also why do you discredit God by suggesting Eve ruined his creation? God knows all things and nothing is hidden from him.

Also before the Fall there was no meaning of Joy and Sorrow, Good and Evil, Hope and Dispair, exc. God being wise and knowing would see what needs to be done.

So God was wrong to condemn Eve?

Seriously! God was wrong? Why would God Himself condemn Eve face to face if He thought she wasn't to blame?

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Actually if we were to get technical with the wording in the Holy Bible God only commanded Adam not to eat the fruit, Eve hadn't even been born yet.

Born?

YIC

Jack

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

Also Sister Mary I have considered Laurence Niles and see clearly he is not the one for me. For one he is a married man with a wife that left him, I do not want an man that cannot keep his wife by his side.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: A Candle in the Darkness

I'm still waiting to hear what, specifically, the serpent lied about.

Brother, I thought of telling her that "his wife didn't leave him, she ran away and has never been heard from since", but wasn't sure if that would help or harm.