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  • #16
    Re: Donald Trump Confirms it: Vaccines Are Bad and Doctors Lie!

    Originally posted by Basilissa View Post
    Exactly!

    Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

    And do not forget that He sent them do wreak havoc as He intended:

    Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.

    Amen, Brother!

    It's good to see the Prophets being brought into the picture, but you cannot simply pull from the great man of G_d Isaiah and use it to fit your own purpose.


    Obviously, there was nothing that we would recognize as resembling medical science in the days of the authors of the Torah or those of the Sages whose interpretations of Torah were collected in the Mishna and the Talmud. The rudimentary understandings of the great twelfth century physician scholar Moses Maimonides (aka Rambam) did not encompass vaccinations, either. Nevertheless, far from condemning vaccinations, the Jewish tradition contains principles that are both well established and almost universally understood to be applicable today and support vaccinations against infectious diseases.


    The analysis begins, as it usually does, with the Torah.


    Deuteronomy contains a number of lessons that relate to a person’s obligation, his duty, to care for himself and his neighbor. In that last book of Torah, Moses is portrayed as summarizing the history of the Israelite experience from Mt. Sinai to the river Jordan and giving three farewell orations to the assembled people. In the first of these speeches, Moses urges the people to take the “utmost care,” to watch themselves scrupulously, to be “most careful.” (See Deut. 4:9, 4:15.)


    Later, in his second discourse, Moses reminds the people that indifference is prohibited, in favor of, for example, an obligation to make a parapet for a roof, so that the owner would not “bring bloodguilt” upon his house should anyone fall. (See Deut. 22:8.)
    Subsequently, rabbis interpreted Moses statements as G_d’s commandments to protect one’s health, to guard against disease.


    The Talmudic concern with the well-being of a child was broad and deep. For instance, a parent was obligated to teach his child how to swim, lest the child be in danger if he was traveling by boat and the boat began to sink. (See BT Kiddushin 29a.) The overarching concern was the child’s needs.


    The rabbinic discussion also considered whether the requirement to protect health was a negative or a positive mandate. The former would only require staying away from danger, but the latter would require affirmative conduct to protect one’s health. Rambam, in his summary of Jewish law, the Mishneh Torah, concluded that the duty was a positive one, and required proactive measures to mitigate a foreseeable harm. (See Mishneh Torah, Hilchot De’ot 4:1; Rotzei’ach 1:6, 14.) Similarly, the Shulchan Aruch, Joseph Caro’s mid-sixteenth century restatement of Jewish law, reaffirms that there is a religious obligation to take affirmative steps to prevent an anticipated danger to oneself or to others. (See Shulchan Aruch, Chosen Mishpat 427:8.)


    While this all likely seems foreign to a Christian chick, take it from someone whose life has been devoted to G_d since my earliest days. It's ok to get the shots, girl. Join the modern world. I can actually force families to vaccinate if I choose to litigate. (Won't Vaccinate? LITIGATE!) That action protects kids - it doesn't hurt them.


    Take it easy, babe. Let's go grab a drink.


    Michael Hezekiah, Esq
    Atty at Law
    A half truth is a whole lie.

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    • #17
      Re: Donald Trump Confirms it: Vaccines Are Bad and Doctors Lie!

      Originally posted by Michael Hezekiah Esq View Post
      A lot of blabbish
      Dear Christkiller:


      I'm sorry, but those are interpretations. And this particular interpretation comes from the people that missed the arrival of the Messiah, the Son of God, even when he was in front of their gigantic noses.


      Sorry if that makes me skeptical of you.
      1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

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      • #18
        Re: Donald Trump Confirms it: Vaccines Are Bad and Doctors Lie!

        Originally posted by Michael Hezekiah Esq View Post
        It's good to see the Prophets being brought into the picture, but you cannot simply pull from the great man of G_d Isaiah and use it to fit your own purpose.


        Obviously, there was nothing that we would recognize as resembling medical science in the days of the authors of the Torah or those of the Sages whose interpretations of Torah were collected in the Mishna and the Talmud. The rudimentary understandings of the great twelfth century physician scholar Moses Maimonides (aka Rambam) did not encompass vaccinations, either.

        <<<senseless drivel removed>>>
        In other words, you are suggesting, dear, that the Holy Bible is not a Timeless Manual of Life but rather something that was written for the Bronze Age people specifically.

        Do you really think that when God dictated the Bible to the men who wrote it, He did not foresee the problem of vaccines thousands of years later?

        BLASPHEMY!!!

        God created fossils to test our faith.

        * * *

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        True Christians are Perfect!
        True Christian™ Love.
        Salvation™ made Easy!
        You can’t be a Christian if you don’t believe the Old Testament.
        Jesus is impolite. Deal with it.
        Jesus is xenophobic and so should we.
        Sanctity of Life is NOT a Biblical Concept.
        Biblical view on modern-day slavery.
        The Immorality of the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights."
        Geneva Conventions vs. The Holy Bible.
        God HATES Rational Thinking!
        True Christian™ Man as a spitting image of God.

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        • #19
          Re: Donald Trump Confirms it: Vaccines Are Bad and Doctors Lie!

          Originally posted by Unbridgeable View Post
          Dear Christkiller:


          I'm sorry, but those are interpretations. And this particular interpretation comes from the people that missed the arrival of the Messiah, the Son of God, even when he was in front of their gigantic noses.


          Sorry if that makes me skeptical of you.

          Jews do not believe that the Messiah is a part of G-d, or Divine in any way, more than any other person. Jews look only to G-d for our salvation, and when the time comes for G-d to bring the anointed king, then it shall happen. Jews do not concern ourselves with the messiah’s identity, for the messiah is a person and the messiah's coming does not change our relationship with G-d. Jews do not accept the notion that Scripture “foretells” that G-d would robe Himself in flesh; in fact, to Jews, this idea is idolatry, and we stand against it.


          The reason why Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah is straightforward: he did not meet the requirements in the job requisition!


          G-d outlined these requirements in the Bible. The key aspect of proof is in the state of the world. According to the Bible, amongst the most important missions of the messiah includes returning the world to return to G-d and G-d's teachings; restoring the royal dynasty to the descendants of David; overseeing the rebuilding of Jerusalem, including the Temple; gathering the Jewish people from all over the world and bringing them home to the Land of Israel; reestablishing the Sanhedrin; restoring the sacrificial system, the Sabbatical year and Jubilee. This simply has not happened.


          Judaism has no notion of the messiah not doing these things on the first visit, let alone needing a second visit to do these things. Whenever these things are described in the Tanach, the description says that the messiah will come and do these things—once.
          Oh, you want specifics? According to Torah, the Messiah will:
          1. Ezekiel 37:26-28: Build the Third Temple
          2. Isaiah 43:5-6: Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel
          3. Isaiah 2:4: Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore."
          4. Zechariah 14:9: Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel - uniting the entire human race as one: "G-d will be King over all the world—on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One"
          Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies.
          Additionally:
          • Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy could only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (~300 BCE) the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, thus prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets (Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi). Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.
          • Jesus was not descended from King David. Per Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1, the Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David. However, according to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David! The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from a verse in Isaiah describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by G-ds.
          • Tradition teaches that the Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. Deut. 13:1-4 states that all mitzvahs remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states its commandments are no longer applicable. (John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)
          In Christianity, the role of the messiah was redefined in order to fit the man’s career as written by his followers. As Jesus was said to have been resurrected, the Bible was examined with the purpose of finding evidence that the messiah would be killed without bringing peace to the world or redemption to Israel. There was therefore the expectation of a second coming, at which time Jesus would carry out the task expected of the messiah (because he obviously didn't do it the first time).


          This also required creation of an explanation for the first coming and its catastrophic end. The net result of all of this was to shift the function of the messiah from a visible level where it could be tested (as in Tanach, what Christians call the "Old Testament") to an invisible level where it could not. As a result of this reworking, the messiah’s goal the first time around was changed from the redemption of Israel to the atonement for "original sin". A reworking of Biblical themes.


          There were also mistakes with respect to Jesus's death and its foretelling. Psalms 22:17 says, "Like a lion, they are at my hands and feet." The Hebrew word ki-ari (like a lion) is grammatically similar to the word "gouged." Thus Christianity reads the verse as a reference to crucifixion: "They pierced my hands and feet." Christians also claim that Isaiah 53 refers to Jesus. Actually, Isaiah 53 directly follows the theme of chapter 52, describing the exile and redemption of the Jewish people. The singular form is used because the Jews ("Israel") are regarded as one unit (this occurs elsewhere in Torah).


          For Jews, if the Tanach's requirements for the messiah have not been fulfilled, then there can only be one explanation: he has not yet come. To Jews, who were often subjected to mockery and contempt when asked where their messiah was, this was a painful statement to make. But it was inescapable. As our forefather's said: Ani M'amin: I believe with complete faith in the coming of the messiah; and though he may tarry I shall wait for him every day.”


          Furthermore, Christianity contradicts Jewish theology. In Christianity, the notion of "Trinity" breaks G-d into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19). However, the basis of Jewish belief is captured in the Shema: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our G-d, the Lord is ONE" (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the One-ness of G-d every day, writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of G-d's One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before he dies. In Jewish law, worship of a three-part G-d is considered idolatry -- one of the three cardinal sins which a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress.


          This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.


          Furthermore, Christians believe that G-d came down to earth in human form, as Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). However, in Judaism, the fundamental idea is that G-d is Incorporial, meaning G-d has no physical form. In Judaism, G-d is Eternal, above time, Infinite, beyond space. G-d cannot be born, and cannot die. Saying that G-d assumes human form makes G-d small, diminishing both G-d's Unity and Divinity. The Torah says: "G-d is not a mortal" (Numbers 23:19).


          Judaism says that the Messiah will be born of human parents, with normal physical attributes just like other people. He will not be a demigod, and will not possess supernatural qualities. In fact, an individual is alive in every generation with the capacity to step into the role of the Messiah. (Maimonides - Laws of Kings 11:3)


          In Christian belief, prayer must be directed through an intermediary. Jesus himself is an intermediary, as Jesus said: "No man cometh unto the Father but by me." In Judaism, prayer is a totally private matter, between each individual and G-d. Torah says, "G-d is near to all who call unto Him" (Psalms 145:18). Further, the Ten Commandments state: "You shall have no other gods before me," meaning that it is forbidden to set up a mediator between G-d and man. (Maimonides - Laws of Idolatry ch. 1)


          Lastly, in Christianity, the physical world is viewed as an evil to be avoided. Mary is portrayed as a virgin. Priests and nuns are celibate. Monasteries are in remote, secluded locations. In Judaism, the belief is that G-d created the physical world not to frustrate us, but for our pleasure.


          Jewish spirituality comes through grappling with the mundane world in a way that uplifts and elevates. Sex in the proper context is one of the holiest acts we can perform. The Talmud says if a person has the opportunity to taste a new fruit and refuses to do so, he will have to account for that in the World-to-Come.


          Jewish rabbinical schools teach how to live amidst the bustle of commercial activity. Jews don't retreat from life, we elevate it.
          So what do Jews say about Jesus, if he wasn't the messiah. The historical Jesus (not the mangod Christianity made him into) accomplished a great deal in turning people away from idolatry and towards a more authentic knowledge of G-d. But he has no special role to Judaism, in fact, no role at all.


          Sorry that you don't value my opinion, but hey - live and let live, I say.


          Cheers!
          Mike Hez'
          Atty at Law
          A half truth is a whole lie.

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          • #20
            Re: Donald Trump Confirms it: Vaccines Are Bad and Doctors Lie!

            Originally posted by Michael Hezekiah Esq View Post
            Jews do not believe that the Messiah is a part of G-d, or Divine in any way, more than any other person.
            My answer to that would be "I don't care".


            The second coming of Jesus is foretold right at the beginning, in Genesis 3:15. It is a little difficult to understand? Ok, I grant you that. Why should the lord come twice, instead of doing it all at once? It he a kind of an unionized worker, saying, "ok, in this coming I'll do the easy things and then die, resurrect and come back for the real action"? I don't know.


            I don't know and I don't ask, Mr Auschwitz Survivor.


            What you say about God changing the scripture is a blatant lie, isn't it? The opposite is true and the real reason of existance of this forum. Mathew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


            Also, the prophets predicted He will be born from a virgin. Now you argue the meaning of the word? I read "virgin" in Isaiah 7:14. That has only one meaning.


            I like how the only literal thing you take from the Bible is that Israel should belong to you, and not to other people that lived there longer. Cherry picking at its best!
            1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

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            • #21
              Re: Donald Trump Confirms it: Vaccines Are Bad and Doctors Lie!

              My meethodisht parents forced vaccinations upon me when I was a child. I was blessed to escape without autism! Now that I am a Baptist, I know how AWFUL vaccinations are. I keep my children in the presence of God, so they won't get sick. Our eldest, Annabeth, has gone 11 years without any illness besides a common cold she had at age 8.
              God is about as real as unicorns and dragons.
              Revelation 12:9
              Job 39:9

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              • #22
                Re: Donald Trump Confirms it: Vaccines Are Bad and Doctors Lie!

                My friend told me about a Pentagon video she watched that says they can use a vaccine now to shut down a part of our brain. Guess which part the government wants to shut down!

                The GOD Part! The VMAT2 gene responsible for spiritual, or "fanatic" belief in God!

                Honestly people! Walk away! I would NEVER allow the government to vaccinate my child from the faith in Jesus! They can come at me with their guns and smoke bombs and I will never yield my child to Satan's army!

                Don't be afraid of people! They can kill you, but they cannot harm your soul. Instead, you should fear God who can destroy both your body and your soul in HELL (Matthew 10:28).




                Vaccines at gunpoint? NOT MY CHILD!
                Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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