Please help! A big problem with the Bible

[Harsha Shah]

Yes! This is Harsha Shah. I was reading the Bible during the summer holidays. I have quite a few friends who are members of the Church of Scotland and some of them are devout and would like to see me convert. Yes. I am at the moment becoming secular, so I am thinking this is not likely.

I hope I am not offending but I discovered a big dilemma for me in the Bible. Sin is like karma, isn't it? It is accmmulating and preventing salvation. If you are accepting towards Jesus, the sin goes away and you can be saved. I was reading that one sin is so bad that it cannot be forgiven. This is in Matthew Chapter 21 verse 31 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." I am thinking this means that if you were committing this type of blasphemy, you have no chance. Yes?

Then I was reading further and saw this. It is James Chapter 2 verse 10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." I am thinking: if anyone has committed any sin she has committed them all. All sins include this blasphemy against the holy spirit. This means that if you have committed any sin you have also committed blasphemy against the spirit. This would mean that nobody is getting into the christian heaven? Yes? This is not very attractive. In my faith Jainism you can eventually get rid of the karma. But if this is true then no-one can be saved in Christianity? Yes?

Who is wrong? Is Jesus wrong or James? Yes? Which one should I be following if I wanted to become a Christian? This is difficult. Yes.

[Fred Hall]

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Hi scripture twister,

I see you have quite a dilemma going, so let's see if I can be of some help:

I was reading the Bible during the summer holidays. I have quite a few friends who are members of the Church of Scotland... ramble ramble

Well that right there is your problem (1 Cor 15:33). The Church of Scotland is full of God hating homersexual gay men that run around in dresses, and they don't even have the common courtesy to wear nickers under their dresses. I suggest to stay clear of them queers, and you'll be a lot further ahead.

Sin is like karma, isn't it?

Not even close. The bible tells us that "the wages of sin is death" - (Romans 6:23). Karma is a satanic teaching from the devil that originated with the bootists. The teachings are not even close to eachother.

I was reading that one sin is so bad that it cannot be forgiven. This is in Matthew Chapter 21 verse 31 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." I am thinking this means that if you were committing this type of blasphemy, you have no chance. Yes?

Duh! I see your master the devil at least hasn't blinded you to this Truth™.

Then I was reading further and saw this. It is James Chapter 2 verse 10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." I am thinking: if anyone has committed any sin she has committed them all. All sins include this blasphemy against the holy spirit. This means that if you have committed any sin you have also committed blasphemy against the spirit. This would mean that nobody is getting into the christian heaven? Yes?

No. This is where your demonic mind, heart and soul is blinded from the true light. Read again James 2:10. Does it say that a person that commits a sin has committed them all? No. It is talking about the LAW... namely the law given by Moses. Can you show me in the Hebrew scriptures where it gives the law not to "blaspheme against the holy spirit"? You can't. It is because it is not in the law of Moses. The law talks about blaspheming God's name and such... but does not mention the Holy Spirit at all. It is something that is totally different given by Jesus Christ himself. It is not apart of the "law" as spoken by James.

Who is wrong? Is Jesus wrong or James? Yes? Which one should I be following if I wanted to become a Christian? This is difficult. Yes.

It is YOU who are wrong young lady. Therefore, I suggest you repent, and summit yourself to Jesus NOW!

[Witch Hammer]

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Yes! This is Harsha Shah. I was reading the Bible during the summer holidays. I have quite a few friends who are members of the Church of Scotland and some of them are devout and would like to see me convert. Yes. I am at the moment becoming secular, so I am thinking this is not likely.

I hope I am not offending but I discovered a big dilemma for me in the Bible. Sin is like karma, isn't it? It is accmmulating and preventing salvation. If you are accepting towards Jesus, the sin goes away and you can be saved. I was reading that one sin is so bad that it cannot be forgiven. This is in Matthew Chapter 21 verse 31 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." I am thinking this means that if you were committing this type of blasphemy, you have no chance. Yes?

Then I was reading further and saw this. It is James Chapter 2 verse 10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." I am thinking: if anyone has committed any sin she has committed them all. All sins include this blasphemy against the holy spirit. This means that if you have committed any sin you have also committed blasphemy against the spirit. This would mean that nobody is getting into the christian heaven? Yes? This is not very attractive. In my faith Jainism you can eventually get rid of the karma. But if this is true then no-one can be saved in Christianity? Yes?

Who is wrong? Is Jesus wrong or James? Yes? Which one should I be following if I wanted to become a Christian? This is difficult. Yes.

This is exactly the reason why so many people, including you, will find themselves impaled on satan's red-hot prick for all eternity. You should have kept the whole law, harlot.

[Harsha Shah]

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Yes, Mr. Hall, I am very sorry if I offended you. I sincerely did not wish to offend. I am also very grateful that you are trying to call me to convert. I also appreciate your informed answers, yes!

I must still persist, I am sorry. I hope I am not offending anyone further. Mr. Hall is saying that sin is not the same as the law. I can understand this but I am also finding in the Bible passages where the sin of blasphemy is also against the law. I am sorry that I did not include this in my original post as I was thinking that this would be obvious to true christian men such as Mr. Hall. I am of course referring to Leviticus Chapter 24 verse 16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death." Now I am thinking that blashphemy against your god is also in the law of Moses, not only a sin. I know it is the "name" here but I was reading also other verses where it is god generally. 1 Kings book Chapter 21 verse 10 says "And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die". Here it is not the name but the whole god. I am thinking, god is the same as Jesus and they are the same as the spirit. Yes, and in the 2 Kings Chapter 19 verse 22 it says "Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel." Not the name here, either. I am thinking that conversion to christianity would not be such a good idea, eh?

I know I am confused. Yes. But here I am finding that the sin iof blasphemy is also against the law. Please, is there more clarification to this problem? Yes.

[Harsha Shah]

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This is exactly the reason why so many people, including you, will find themselves impaled on satan's red-hot prick for all eternity. You should have kept the whole law, harlot.

Yes, Thank you Mr Hammer for your kind answer. I am afraid I was offending you which was not my intention. Yes. I am at the moment having trouble believing in your hell. I am more afraid of the violence here on Earth. Yes. I admit that I may be wrong here. Yes.

[Fred Hall]

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Yes, Mr. Hall, I am very sorry if I offended you. I sincerely did not wish to offend. I am also very grateful that you are trying to call me to convert. I also appreciate your informed answers, yes!

I must still persist, I am sorry. I hope I am not offending anyone further. Mr. Hall is saying that sin is not the same as the law. I can understand this but I am also finding in the Bible passages where the sin of blasphemy is also against the law. I am sorry that I did not include this in my original post as I was thinking that this would be obvious to true christian men such as Mr. Hall. I am of course referring to Leviticus Chapter 24 verse 16 "And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death." Now I am thinking that blashphemy against your god is also in the law of Moses, not only a sin. I know it is the "name" here but I was reading also other verses where it is god generally. 1 Kings book Chapter 21 verse 10 says "And set two men, sons of Belial, before him, to bear witness against him, saying, Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die". Here it is not the name but the whole god. I am thinking, god is the same as Jesus and they are the same as the spirit. Yes, and in the 2 Kings Chapter 19 verse 22 it says "Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel." Not the name here, either. I am thinking that conversion to christianity would not be such a good idea, eh?

I know I am confused. Yes. But here I am finding that the sin iof blasphemy is also against the law. Please, is there more clarification to this problem? Yes.

According to the law, of course Blasphemy against God is a sin worthy of death. But blasphemy against the "Holy Spirit" is something totally different.

Case in point: Luke 12:10 clarifies things a bit more. It reads: "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven." Now we know that the "Son of man" being talked about is Jesus himself. Yet, Jesus is God. Also we know that the Holy Ghost is God. Likewise, the Father is God.

Now... blaspheming all three, the Father, the Son, or the Holy Ghost is sins worthy of death. But a person can REPENT if they only blasphemed the first two... and "might" be forgiven if they become a True Christian™. However, a person that blasphemes the Holy Ghost, even if they try to REPENT cannot be forgiven now, nor in the future. It is ABSOLUTELY unforgivable.

I can't make this any simpler for you. I suppose I could write it in crayon if that helps. But since you're blinded by Satan, I doubt you're able to learn any Truths™ of the Bible. Regardless... I'll pray for you.

[Witch Hammer]

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Yes, Thank you Mr Hammer for your kind answer. I am afraid I was offending you which was not my intention. Yes. I am at the moment having trouble believing in your hell. I am more afraid of the violence here on Earth. Yes. I admit that I may be wrong here. Yes.

Will you still deny the reality of hell when you're neck-deep in boiling tar with the tines of a pitchfork buried in your rectum and satan's schlong lodged so deeply in your throat that you cannot even scream?

[Harsha Shah]

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According to the law, of course Blasphemy against God is a sin worthy of death. But blasphemy against the "Holy Spirit" is something totally different.

Case in point: Luke 12:10 clarifies things a bit more. It reads: "And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven." Now we know that the "Son of man" being talked about is Jesus himself. Yet, Jesus is God. Also we know that the Holy Ghost is God. Likewise, the Father is God.

Now... blaspheming all three, the Father, the Son, or the Holy Ghost is sins worthy of death. But a person can REPENT if they only blasphemed the first two... and "might" be forgiven if they become a True Christian™. However, a person that blasphemes the Holy Ghost, even if they try to REPENT cannot be forgiven now, nor in the future. It is ABSOLUTELY unforgivable.

I can't make this any simpler for you. I suppose I could write it in crayon if that helps. But since you're blinded by Satan, I doubt you're able to learn any Truths™ of the Bible. Regardless... I'll pray for you.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Hall. You are most helpful. I am still not understanding. Youhave the trinity, yes? This is explained in 1 John epistle Chapter 5 verse 7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Blasphemy against one is against all three. Blasphemy is against the law. If there is one trespass the whole law is broken. Yes. I still find no hope unless someone is sin-free from birth and never commits any offences. This would be Buddha, yes? I am sorry if this is offensive. Yes.

Will you still deny the reality of hell when you're neck-deep in boiling tar with the tines of a pitchfork buried in your rectum and satan's schlong lodged so deeply in your throat that you cannot even scream?

Yes, Mr. Hammer. I am feeling that you have genuine worry for me. I am very grateful but I am now almost certain that there is no hope in the christian framework. I have committed all sins. My chances must be better within my own faith. I may be re-born as a cockroach but that is better off that your vision of Hell, isn't it. Yes.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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I assumed from the thread title that you had spilled some mango chutney and got the pages stuck together.

Yes! This is Harsha Shah.

You don't need to tell us that. If you look very carefully to the left of your post, you will see that your name is there. So we know who it is, yes? Yes!

Brother Witch Hammer has answered your question, though I notice that you said:

... if I wanted to become a Christian?

If you don't want to become a Christian, then why do you continue to persecute us by coming here and wasting our time? I suspect that you are less sure of yourself than you claim and that your black heart yearns for Salvation.

Hosea 10:12 Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.

[Fred Hall]

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Yes, thank you, Mr. Hall. You are most helpful. I am still not understanding. Youhave the trinity, yes? This is explained in 1 John epistle Chapter 5 verse 7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Blasphemy against one is against all three. Blasphemy is against the law. If there is one trespass the whole law is broken. Yes. I still find no hope unless someone is sin-free from birth and never commits any offences. This would be Buddha, yes? I am sorry if this is offensive. Yes.

I'm not sure if Satan has you blinded... I'm pretty sure you're just thick in the head. Here... my last try to help you. Perhaps this will dumb it down enough for you... in crayon, just for you.

[Harsha Shah]

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I'm not sure if Satan has you blinded... I'm pretty sure you're just thick in the head. Here... my last try to help you. Perhaps this will dumb it down enough for you... in crayon, just for you.

Yes. Thank you kindly Mr. Hall. Yes. You must be right. I am ignorant and when I am perceiving contradictions or inescapable situations based on the Bible it must be my lack of education. You are also right when you associate Jainism to uncomfortable issues. Yes. I am very secular and while I am following the diet and ahimsa I am not ashamed to say that also my religion has caused lots of misery. I am very different from you christians, as I am not following the commandments of my faith very well.

Perhaps I find the bible less confusing and self-contradictory if I persist. Yes.

Thank you also Mrs. Lytton-Vasey for reminding me that I need not introduce myself all the time. Yes. I am sorry I offended you.

[Fred Hall]

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Yes. Thank you kindly Mr. Hall. Yes. You must be right. I am ignorant.... useless ramble

Good. I am glad you see the error of your ways. Therefore, submit to Jesus now and be Saved™!

[Faith_Machine]

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Oh Harshah, I am so glad to see this post! That you say you are moving toward the secular means you are moving away from your Jain heresies!

And you have clearly been studying your Bible a lot!

I feel certain it is only a matter of time before you are safely within our fold.

Praise Jesus!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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I was reading the Bible during the summer holidays. I have quite a few friends who are members of the Church of Scotland and some of them are devout and would like to see me convert. Yes. I am at the moment becoming secular, so I am thinking this is not likely. [IMG]file:///C:\Users\Gary\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\c lip_image001.gif[/IMG]

If you are accepting towards Jesus, the sin goes away and you can be saved.

I was reading that one sin is so bad that it cannot be forgiven. This is in Matthew Chapter 21 verse 31 "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." I am thinking this means that if you were committing this type of blasphemy, you have no chance. Yes?

Then I was reading further and saw this. It is James Chapter 2 verse 10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." I am thinking: if anyone has committed any sin she has committed them all. All sins include this blasphemy against the holy spirit. This means that if you have committed any sin you have also committed blasphemy against the spirit. This would mean that nobody is getting into the Christian heaven? Yes? [/quote]
No. There are two types of sin: forgivable and unforgivable.

James is speaking, and we must bear in mind that James always spoke in the broadest terms. Famously, it was James (in the same Chapter you quote) who says:

Jas:2:3: And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: Jas:2:4: Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

Obviously, to the ignorant, “And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing,” seems to indicate that his listeners are all queers, as they would be the only people to "respect" gays. Now, this is highly doubtful as, following the Old Testament’s law that all Homers should be killed, there probably were only five or six gays left in the whole of Israel. Likewise, there was probably nobody there who even dreamed of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit as that had been banned long ago. And this gives us our answer:

James is right as he was speaking of forgivable sins; Matthew is right as he is merely reminding people of something that used to happen in the past, i.e. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

You dot-heads used to burn widows alive with the body of the departed husband - suttee. Yet in those days there were people who might say, “Arson is wrong” but who did not need to add “Except suttee.” And then there were people when went around saying, “Her husband died – her feet’ll be warm tonight, just as they should be!” but this did not mean that arson was OK.


You may want to get back to collecting and drying cowshit so as you can have some heat to cook your husband something marginally edible when he gets home.

[Harsha Shah]

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Yes, Mr. Bathfire,

Thank you for taking my concern seriously. I am seeing that the differences between my faith and yours are indeed formidable. I can now appreciate that you are seeing no contradiction where I am seeing one or many. Yes. This is the plurality that is sad but also beautiful, yes. I am also not quite certain that the present-day concept of gay would have been the same in the 17th century. I am failing to see the relevance of this piece of information, yes, but it is giving me another precious view into the mindset of a religious person. Thank you.

I also totally agree that the Indian custom of incineration was terrible.Yes it was. It is one of the things that are chasing me away from all religion. Yes.