[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Nobody who does a murder is a Christian ipso facto

The atheist would not distinguish between murder and a life boat, aiming as he does to destroy the spirit of the whole world.

JONAH 1
13 Neuerthelesse the men rowed hard to bring it to the land, but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them.
14 Wherefore they cried vnto the Lord, and said, We beseech thee, O Lord, We beseech thee, let vs not perish for this mans life, and lay not vpon vs, innocent blood: for thou, O Lord, hast done as it pleased thee.
15 So they tooke vp Ionah, and cast him foorth into the sea, and the sea ceased from her raging.
©1611

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

HeathenBasher's arguments against atheism are so riddled with fallacies that they appear to be a graduate class on logical arguments. Swaying someone who finds these fallacious arguments convincing is a fool's errands. Why do I spend so much time on something so far off the track of reason? Probably for the same reason I think I might enjoy shooting fish in a barrell.

I also like the idea that I am lending support to other atheists on this blog, especailly 19-year old virgin MariaVanRooijen. Her logic is impeccable and the responses to her logic are just as banal as the original arguments.

I will make just one claim: We owe our moral codes not to any religion but to evolution.

That's all folks (for now).

72-year old Dave

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

First of all, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

If you want to debate people, THIS is the place to go.

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit enter you and chase the demons out of your rectum and let Jesus fill you with His Grace. If you use your God-given free will to reject Christ and His temporary death on the cross for my sins, then you are sending yourself to hellfire.

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

HeathenBasher's arguments against atheism are so riddled with fallacies that they appear to be a graduate class on logical arguments. Swaying someone who finds these fallacious arguments convincing is a fool's errands. Why do I spend so much time on something so far off the track of reason? Probably for the same reason I think I might enjoy shooting fish in a barrell.

I also like the idea that I am lending support to other atheists on this blog, especailly 19-year old virgin MariaVanRooijen. Her logic is impeccable and the responses to her logic are just as banal as the original arguments.

I will make just one claim: We owe our moral codes not to any religion but to evolution.

That's all folks (for now).

72-year old Dave

We have morals because we are made in the image of God. Imagine that I have a switch in front of me. If I flick the switch I recieve a £1000 but a stranger in China dies. I would not flick the switch because the Law of God 'thou shall not kill (unless instructed by God) tells me not to. Why would evolution stop me from doing it? It would make myself and my tribe 'fitter' and more likely to survive wouldn't it?

YIC

Jack

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

HeathenBasher's arguments against atheism are so riddled with fallacies that they appear to be a graduate class on logical arguments.

This was not what I meant to say. The quote should read as follows:

HeathenBasher's arguments against atheism are so riddled with fallacies that they appear to be a parody on logical arguments.

That doesn't seem like a mistake I would make. Is it possible that someone edited my post? If so, how would I find out? (Whatever you say, I will take your word for it. I am not a liar and I assume you are not either.)

[TheWatcher]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I notice that many Atheists argue that they have "morals" without "God". To state that one has "morals", one must believe in "good" and "evil". If one believes in good and evil, then one must believe in a moral law by which to delineate and differentiate between good and evil. If one belives in a moral law by which good and evil are differentiated, one must believe in a moral law giver. Anyone who claims to be "moral" acknowledges the existence of God by default.

If morals are "relative", and we are but "cosmic accidents" as Bertrand Russell (et al) claimed, then how can one make arguments for morality in an amoral universe? In this sense, Atheism contradicts itself.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I am not a liar and I assume you are not either.

The former is demonstrably untrue, as it is a well-established fact that all atheists are liars, since they have no morality.

The latter is quite true. A True Christian(tm) would never lie, unless God commanded us to.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I will make just one claim: We owe our moral codes not to any religion but to evolution.

That's an extraordinary claim.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

We eagerly await your extraordinary evidence.

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I will make just one claim: We owe our moral codes not to any religion but to evolution.

That's an extraordinary claim.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

We eagerly await your extraordinary evidence.

It was meant to be an extraordinary claim, yet I believe most evolutionists would agree with me. I don't have extraordinary evidence, just suggestive evidence for any open-minded person to consider.

Altruism puts the individual at risk to the benefit of the species. For example, worker bees lose their stings and their lives when they attack, but they protect their mother, the queen bee, who lays thousands of eggs to replace the worker bees lost. Mothers of many species fight fiercely for their babies. They could retreat and leave their offspring behind, but then their genes would be lost to the next generation. By putting themselves at risk, they increase the odds that their genes will persist and that the same altruistic tendencies will be passed on to their children who will repeat the same risky but beneficial behavior.

As humans, most of us have an inhibition against killing even if we didn't have the ten commanments. Even when it would seem to be to the benefit of the individual, the inhibition improves the tribe's odds of survival. What beneficial altruistic behavior that is not programmed into us biologically we develop culturally. The more successful we are as a species, the larger our reference groups become, so that ultimately what benefits the tribe expands to benefit the nation, then the world at large.

Religion is one means of enforcing morality; the law is another. Religion relies on the idea of Heaven and Hell to induce people to do what they otherwise would not do, to the benefit of either the society or the church. The law uses fines and prisons to induce behavior beneficial either to the people or to the rulers, but both depend on a pre-existing sense of morality that has enabled our species to get this far in the first place.

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I am not a liar and I assume you are not either.

The former is demonstrably untrue, as it is a well-established fact that all atheists are liars, since they have no morality.

You are misinformed. The only thing that is true of all atheists is that they don't believe in God. For the most part atheists have the same moral code as everyone else. There are liars and truth-tellers among both atheists and theists. I know that not all atheists are liars because I am my own counter-example.

The latter is quite true. A True Christian™ would never lie, unless God commanded us to.

I keep coming back to this. Matthew and Luke both wrote geneologies of Jesus. They agreed on Adam to King David, then they traced Joseph's lineage through different sons of King David. Was it Matthew who lied or Luke, or was it both of them?

There are some circumstances in which atheists and theists would agree that lying is justified--to protect military secrets, for example. But God's occassional commandment to lie is a big loophole which atheists do not have.

Remember my definition of a lie: a statement known or believed by its maker to be untrue that is made with the intent to deceive. By this criterion we may all tell falsehoods from time to time without lying because we believe the falsehoods we are telling. The notion that all atheists lie is a falsehood and possibly a lie.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

It was meant to be an extraordinary claim, yet I believe most evolutionists would agree with me. I don't have extraordinary evidence, just suggestive evidence for any open-minded person to consider.

Altruism puts the individual at risk to the benefit of the species. For example, worker bees lose their stings and their lives when they attack, but they protect their mother, the queen bee, who lays thousands of eggs to replace the worker bees lost. Mothers of many species fight fiercely for their babies. They could retreat and leave their offspring behind, but then their genes would be lost to the next generation. By putting themselves at risk, they increase the odds that their genes will persist and that the same altruistic tendencies will be passed on to their children who will repeat the same risky but beneficial behavior.

As humans, most of us have an inhibition against killing even if we didn't have the ten commanments. Even when it would seem to be to the benefit of the individual, the inhibition improves the tribe's odds of survival. What beneficial altruistic behavior that is not programmed into us biologically we develop culturally. The more successful we are as a species, the larger our reference groups become, so that ultimately what benefits the tribe expands to benefit the nation, then the world at large.
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You fluffy bunny cafeteria atheists make me sick. Let's take a look at infanticide (and filial infanticide), and for that matter cannibalism. All it takes is one counter example to disprove your groundless assertions. Put that in your bong and smoke it for awhile.

In animals, infanticide involves the killing of young offspring by a mature animal of its own species, and is studied in zoology, specifically in the field of ethology. Ovicide is the analogous destruction of eggs. Although human infanticide has been widely studied, the practice has been observed in many other species throughout the animal kingdom. These include microscopic rotifers, insects, fish, amphibians, birds and mammals.[1] Infanticide can be practiced by both males and females.

Infanticide caused by sexual conflict has the general theme of the killer (often male) becoming the new sexual partner of the victim's parent, which would otherwise be unavailable. This represents a gain in fitness by the killer, and a loss in fitness by the parents of the offspring killed. This is a type of evolutionary struggle between the two sexes, in which the victim sex may have counter-adaptations that reduce the success of this practice. It may also occur for other reasons, such as the struggle for food between females. In this case individuals may even kill closely related offspring.

Filial infanticide occurs when a parent kills its own offspring. This sometimes involves consumption of the young themselves, which is termed filial cannibalism. The behavior is widespread in fishes, and is seen in terrestrial animals as well. Human infanticide has been recorded in almost every culture. A unique aspect of human infanticide is selective killing based on gender.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_%28zoology%29

[tom101]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

hang on a sec witch god are we talking about here???

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

hang on a sec witch god are we talking about here???

Witches? Who said anything about worshipping gods of witchcraft?


Father,
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I plead the precious uncorruptable blood of Jesus over myself and my family and everything that belongs to us. I ask for giant warrior Angels to be loosed from Heaven to surround and protect us. As your war club and weapons of war I break down, undamn, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, physic prayers, physic thought, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, physic power, physic warfare, prayer chains, and everything else being sent my way or my family members way, and I return it and the demons to the senders right now!, SEVENFOLD, and I BIND it to them by the blood of Jesus!

Father, I pray that these lost souls will find the light of your son Jesus.. Their own snares and traps have been set against themselves.. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I now loose them from all mindcontrol of Satan!.. Father I also ask that you Bind the Holy Spirit to there hearts as a guide to your son Jesus.. So they may be set free from the bondages of Satan.

In Jesus name I pray..
Amen

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

Witches? Who said anything about worshipping gods of witchcraft?


Father,
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I plead the precious uncorruptable blood of Jesus over myself and my family and everything that belongs to us. I ask for giant warrior Angels to be loosed from Heaven to surround and protect us. As your war club and weapons of war I break down, undamn, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, physic prayers, physic thought, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, physic power, physic warfare, prayer chains, and everything else being sent my way or my family members way, and I return it and the demons to the senders right now!, SEVENFOLD, and I BIND it to them by the blood of Jesus!

Father, I pray that these lost souls will find the light of your son Jesus.. Their own snares and traps have been set against themselves.. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I now loose them from all mindcontrol of Satan!.. Father I also ask that you Bind the Holy Spirit to there hearts as a guide to your son Jesus.. So they may be set free from the bondages of Satan.

In Jesus name I pray..
Amen

I stand in agreement with this prayer therefore, we are protected from demon worshipping scum, and that those whom Jesus chooses shall be saved as a result of the liberty brought by this prayer, amen.

Matthew

18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

Originally Posted by DaveTheInfidel
It was meant to be an extraordinary claim, yet I believe most evolutionists would agree with me. I don't have extraordinary evidence, just suggestive evidence for any open-minded person to consider.

Well of course you have no evidence. There is none because evilution is a lie from HELL. Your witchcraft has blinded you in your deceitful practices of deception.

Galatians

5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

[Daimon Chris]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

What the main post talked about was not atheists, but stupid atheists... And there's stupid people everywhere, no matter what religion.