[davidbrainfart]

Re: Why atheism is wrong - the shocking and unbiased truth

I, of course, don't believe in Satan. I suppose an atheist could also be a Satan worshipper, but that sounds like a contradiction to me.

All atheists are Satan worshipers, of course!

Source please.

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23.
You see? Even by eating you're spreading sin --> furthering Satan's cause --> worshiping Satan! QED.

Weak. Interpreting it literally, I am damned if I eat. It does not say I am spreading sin. If I am spreading sin and Satan exists and has the qualities the Bible attributes to him, then I am furthering Satan's cause. But it does not follow that I am worshipping Satan. Only I can say whether I am or not and so far I have not noticed that I am worshipping this entity I don't believe in.

Of course I don't believe this scripture. I don't doubt God's existence, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist. I don't believe that it's a sin for anybody to eat, even evil people, and I don't believe in the false choice between faith and sin.

[Bobby-Joe]

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Weak. Interpreting it literally, I am damned if I eat. It does not say I am spreading sin. If I am spreading sin and Satan exists and has the qualities the Bible attributes to him, then I am furthering Satan's cause. But it does not follow that I am worshipping Satan. Only I can say whether I am or not and so far I have not noticed that I am worshipping this entity I don't believe in.

Of course I don't believe this scripture. I don't doubt God's existence, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist. I don't believe that it's a sin for anybody to eat, even evil people, and I don't believe in the false choice between faith and sin.

Pretty sure God doesn't exist = you know God exists, you just refuse to admit it.

As for extra Biblical evidence for the existence of God, my signature is full of it. Try dealing with those Mr Atheist instead of your Strawman believer.

[Jedediah]

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I don't doubt God's existence, I'm pretty sure he doesn't exist.

Typical of one afflicted with your corrupt brand of foolishness, you not only lie about God's existence to others - you lie to yourself. The very fact that you are here arguing against God's existence proves that deep down, you know that He exists. Thank you for proving us right.

When you are ready to stop suppressing the Truth you hold, we will be here to help you develop a personal relationship with Jesus.

[davidbrainfart]

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The Bible will say God created Adam till the end of time. It is an unchanging document. But science will continue to develop as new evidence accumulates.

So, if the Bible is right, it will continue to be right, but if science is right, it will still continue to change, so it has to get worse, if you want to change a perfect thing. Another reason the Bible is the better source of evidence!
Praise the Lord!

When I was a boy I tried to imagine what Heaven was like. I was taught that Heaven was perfect, but I loved progress. If Heaven was perfect, surely there would be progress in Heaven too. But if there were progress in Heaven, that would imply that it wasn't perfect to begin with.

It was the ancient Greeks who determined that the Earth is round. By noting the difference in the elevation of the Sun between Greece and Africa, and using their knowledge of trigonometry, they determined not only the shape but the size of the earth. They must have known that there was much more of the Earth than they had seen.

The Greek astromer Ptolomy drew upon this knowledge to develop his own model of the universe, with the earth at the center and the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars revolving around it. This model stood until Copernicus offered an alternative: the sun-centered universe, which did a much better job of accounting for the apparent motions of the heavenly bodies.

We now know that the stars are suns in their own right and modern astronomy has deduced the existence of numerous planets around other stars. Using many lines of evidence, they have determined that the Earth is four billion years old and the Milky Way Galaxy, in which we live in thirteen billion years old. It is so large that it takes a hundred thousand years for light to travel from one end of the Galaxy to the other. And yet, it is only one galaxy among billions.

Meanwhile the sixty-six books of the Bible have endured more or less as they were first written thousands of years ago. Either the scriptures were written by human beings, as I believe, or God didn't tell his scribes everything he knew about the Universe. The authors did not have the benefit of Greek astronomy, so they pictured the Earth as flat, except for an occasional hill or mountain, because that was the way they experienced it.

Because the heavenly bodies were so far away, they saw them in miniature, as we do and thus assumed the universe was much smaller than we know it to be, something that a deity a lot like us, except for his supernatural powers, could put together in just six days. ("In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth.") The ancient Hebrews were quite content to attribute to God anything they could not understand.

And while the scriptures, like all books, remained stagnant, we mastered agriculture, learned the blessing and curse of wine, occupied the entire planet without ever falling off the edge, invented gunpowder, trains, planes, and automobiles, computers, and the internet, and we stuck a toe into space. Question: did we do this by following the scriptures faithfully, or by setting the scriptures aside to find answers in the world?

The perfect word of God is something that exists only in the imperfect pages of a Bible written thousands of years ago. Instead of perfection we have progress and instead of a small young world we have a vast old universe to marvel at. I cannot imagine anything in that small Biblical world to match a great universe that, to quote J.B.S. Haldane is not only stranger than we imagine but stranger than we can imagine.

[Youth Pastor Marty]

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*SECULAR SCIENCTIFICAL PROPAGANDA REMOVED*

David, your secular scientifical mumbo-jumbo is nothing but a big dungheap compared to God's Word, the Bible. God wrote it. We believe it. Case closed! I don't care about what those homer Greeks cooked up in their fairy boy bath houses to try and fool righteous Christian folks into worhipping stars, meteorites and the Devil.

You said yourself in a roundabout way that we humans can't begin to fathom how an omnicient God could create a complex universe in its entirety in just six days. Well, He could have done it instantly if He wanted to! We don't need to know exactly how He created every little nose, finger and toe since we simply know He did! We have faith in God alone.

Do you know what faith is, David? Faith is giving up a little now in the hope for big returns in the future. We give up sin and follow God on this Earth for an eternity in Heaven, much like you probably spend most of your meager earnings on lottery tickets. Faith in God isn't about advancing in science, studying those hairbrained ideas of Sodomites in ancient Greece or thinking that the trickery of Satan leaving some demon bones in the dirt makes the Earth a gazillion years old. It's about returning God's pure love for His chosen True Christians by believing in Him and Him alone. Praise the Lord!

[Redeemed Papist]

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When I was a boy I tried to imagine what Heaven was like.

And there you go! Stop using your imagination and get with the Bible. It tells you what Heaven is like and, more importantly, what the alternative is like.

This imagining things is what has you so confused.

[VictoryOS]

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Imagination is a tool of the Devil.

The Muslims imagined flying their planes into our buildings.
Hitler imagined what the world would be like with 300,000 fewer Jews.

Nothing good comes of imagination.

[davidbrainfart]

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When I was a boy I tried to imagine what Heaven was like.

And there you go! Stop using your imagination and get with the Bible. It tells you what Heaven is like and, more importantly, what the alternative is like.

This imagining things is what has you so confused.

Interesting on several levels. I cannot imagine a life without imagination. How dull. There would be no progress. We wouldn't be here to argue over the Internet. There would be no Internet.

No, the Bible doesn't tell what Heaven is like. There are vague reference like there will be no male or female there. It doesn't tell what the alternative is like either except you will be in infinite pain, ring of fire and all that, but we never know what any new place will be like until we get there.

It's also interesting that you say what the alternative is like is more important. Whether I admitted it or not, when I was a believer I was always more worried about Hell than looking forward to Heaven. Such a relief to stop believing!

This church motivates through fear. It discourages questions. I have received several infractions. That's all right. I have freedom of speech, your church has the freedom to choose what it wants to hear. But none of my inquiries about infractions have been answered except with more infractions for whining. I believe in asking questions. I don't believe in closing inquiry with premature answers without evidence. I believe in questioning authority. Your church doesn't, unless it's somebody else's authority.

Curiosity killed the cat, but it also landed several men on the Moon. Too bad all those men are going to Hell for violating God's word. Would you want to live in a world without imagination? That's your Heaven, not mine.

[The Humanist]

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@davidbain

If Christians didn't believe in Hell it would all fall down like a pack of cards. What reason to be good apart from a sense of personal responsibility made up in your head out of pragmatism and "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" and "I'll treat you how I'd like to be treated".

What a surprise that the soft Christians these people hate seem to universally seize on those things and exclude all the hateful stuff! It's like they have a set of basic morals in their heads that have nothing to do with God. How odd that these same morals crop up all over the world on a basic principle of sharing and fairness.

These people have no sense of personal responsibility and duck behind scripture all the time to avoid actually being responsible for behaving hatefully. You're wasting your time trying to talk sense into them.

[Redeemed Papist]

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This church motivates through fear. It discourages questions.

What of it? God tells you you are going to burn and to fear Him over and over in the Bible. Should we lie?

[davidbrainfart]

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@davidbain

If Christians didn't believe in Hell it would all fall down like a pack of cards. What reason to be good apart from a sense of personal responsibility made up in your head out of pragmatism and "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" and "I'll treat you how I'd like to be treated".

What a surprise that the soft Christians these people hate seem to universally seize on those things and exclude all the hateful stuff! It's like they have a set of basic morals in their heads that have nothing to do with God. How odd that these same morals crop up all over the world on a basic principle of sharing and fairness.

These people have no sense of personal responsibility and duck behind scripture all the time to avoid actually being responsible for behaving hatefully. You're wasting your time trying to talk sense into them.

Hello fellow unsaved trash. I see you are a "Joo lover" I am a n*gger lover myself, so naturally they made a n*gger out of me here. When I commented on that fact, spelling out the word n*gger, I got an infraction for using a racial slur. (Seems they don't tolerate racism here.) When I suggested they also impose an infraction on whover assigned me the avatar of a black man literally wearing a watermelon and the cutsie emoticon art of a black man stealing a television set. I got another infraction that never expires for whining about a justly assigned infraction.

I am an atheist myself, but I have observed that "soft Christians" have a higher standard of morality than these so-called "True Christians™." Where I disagree with them is their efforts to salvage the Bible as a source of religious inspiration by claiming that the Bible, or certain Bible verses, are not to be interpreted literally. I think most of the Bible was intended to be interpreted literally at the time it was written, but many contradicitons stem from the fact that it was written by different authors at different times.

The "True Christians™" here often add their own interpretations as well, especially in incorporating white supremacy. I think the ancient Jews, when they said God created man in his own image, assumed that God was a Jew who, perhaps, resembled their own patriarchs. I see nothing in the story of Noah's son finding him drunk and naked that justifies white men going to Africa to kidnap and enslave black men.

I may be mistaken, but I don't think I'm wasting my time here. For one thing I am talking to people like you. But more important, I'm addressing the one person in a thousand who might see some sense in what I'm saying and tell themselves "The man is sexy." I don't expect to make many converts here; I just want to see how far they'll go. It's like sending particles through a cyclotron and seeing what particles emerge from the atoms they hit. It's getting pretty predictable, but it hasn't bored me yet.

[Redeemed Papist]

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Soft Christians have a higher standard of morals? Where from? Certainly not from God. Why don't they just go the whole hog and admit they don't believe in God any more and are just making it up in their heads? I bet you atheists would love that!

That humanist fellow says we hide behind scripture. Well your little friends are claiming God sanctions what they dreamed up! If that's not moral cowardice then what is? At least we have the integrity to stick by our God through thick and thin and can claim to actually have the word of God behind us, faithfully recorded and unassailable.

How can any cherry picker claim to represent God or any sort of moral high ground because of divine messages when the very word of God calls them liars? I don't know what angers me more about you. At least you have the courage of your convictions that you are going to take a chance on Hell and you don't believe God exists. These people you say are better than us are pretending to follow an invisible man in the sky that they made up inside their own heads! It's not God. God is in the Bible and they reject Him.

Why don't you put your energy into persecuting them? Because they are nice to you. They pretend they don't think you are bound for Hell when they know you really are (unless they really have no idea of God) and are liars using their fake God to fudge issues.

Notice how their God always agrees with them but every single one's God is different? That's because their God is them. Our God, however, is constant since Genesis and has never once changed. The message is the same throughout. This is how we know He is real.

GLORY!
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[Bobby-Joe]

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Hello fellow unsaved trash. I see you are a "Joo lover" I am a n*gger lover myself, so naturally they made a n*gger out of me here. When I commented on that fact, spelling out the word n*gger, I got an infraction for using a racial slur. (Seems they don't tolerate racism here.) When I suggested they also impose an infraction on whover assigned me the avatar of a black man literally wearing a watermelon and the cutsie emoticon art of a black man stealing a television set. I got another infraction that never expires for whining about a justly assigned infraction.

There is no room for racism at Landover!

But considering you are from Canada it's no surprise you are a racist.

I am an atheist RACIST, AXE MURDERING SECULARIST myself, but I have observed that "soft Christians" have a higher standard of morality than these so-called "True Christians™." Where I disagree with them is their efforts to salvage the Bible as a source of religious inspiration by claiming that the Bible, or certain Bible verses, are not to be interpreted literally. I think most of the Bible was intended to be interpreted literally at the time it was written, but many contradicitons stem from the fact that it was written by different authors at different times.

There are no contradictions in The Bible.

The "True Christians™" here often add their own interpretations as well, especially in incorporating white supremacy. I think the ancient Jews, when they said God created man in his own image, assumed that God was a Jew who, perhaps, resembled their own patriarchs. I see nothing in the story of Noah's son finding him drunk and naked that justifies white men going to Africa to kidnap and enslave black men.

Every image ever made of God shows God as an old white man. Were are we interpreting anything?

[davidbrainfart]

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HOW MY QUOTE CAME OUT:

I may be mistaken, but I don't think I'm wasting my time here. For one thing I am talking to people like you. But more important, I'm addressing the one person in a thousand who might see some sense in what I'm saying and tell themselves "The man is sexy."

If only they would! It happens that I am sexy, but how did you know?

WHAT I ACTUALLY POSTED:

I may be mistaken, but I don't think I'm wasting my time here. For one thing I am talking to people like you. But more important, I'm addressing the one person in a thousand who might see some sense in what I'm saying and tell themselves "The man is right."

That would be even more delightful, but some prankster there doesn't want that message to get across.

I don't expect to make many converts here; I just want to see how far they'll go. It's like sending particles through a cyclotron and seeing what particles emerge from the atoms they hit. It's getting pretty predictable, but it hasn't bored me yet.

I'll admit that the "sexy" particle is one I haven't seen before.

Hail the black folks, the Canadians, and the unicorns!!!

[davidbrainfart]

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Hello fellow unsaved trash. I see you are a "Joo lover" I am a n*gger lover myself, so naturally they made a n*gger out of me here. When I commented on that fact, spelling out the word n*gger, I got an infraction for using a racial slur. (Seems they don't tolerate racism here.) When I suggested they also impose an infraction on whover assigned me the avatar of a black man literally wearing a watermelon and the cutsie emoticon art of a black man stealing a television set. I got another infraction that never expires for whining about a justly assigned infraction.

There is no room for racism at Landover!

Why do you people keep saying that? If there is no racism at Landover, how do you account for the stereotyping of black men as watermelon eating television stealers. That is racism!!

How do you account for your own Avatar as a klansman on a white-covered horse. That is racism!!!

How do you account for your church's acceptance of the slavers' reinterpretation of the story of Noah and his sons to justify their profession. That is racism!!!!

It is baffling how not only "True Christians™" but many conservatives of all persuasions manage to stand racism on its head and stick the label on liberals who fight racism. That is racism!!!!!

But considering you are from Canada it's no surprise you are a racist.

I don't care whether you think I'm from Canada or not. That's just a church lie meant to defame me. I do have a high regard for Canada and Canadians but I would no more generalize to say all Canadians are decent people than you should generalize to say all Canadians are racist. Such a paradoxical way of thinking.

There are no contradictions in The Bible.

There are contradictions in your own thinking. How can you be a good judge of contradictions in the Bible?

Every image ever made of God shows God as an old white man. Were are we interpreting anything?

The European artists who depicted God, naively assumed he looked like them and used their neighbors for models. If you believe in something that doesn't exist, you can use any image you choose.

This post is not directed to you, it is for the one reader in a thousand who will read this and say "the man (meaning me) is right," or maybe the one reader in ten thousand who will say "the man is sexy."

Hail the black folks, the Canadians, and the Unicorns!!! Down with the Klan!!!!