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  • Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

    First, we must understand that the Bible was not a single book that was written down, but a collection of works written over the span of centuries. What books belong in the Bible has been an on-going issue spanning the history of the Abrahamic faith. Some groups include more books, some less. This alone makes the claims you hold a perfect inspired work doubtful. But anyway, let's examine the books of the Bible one by one...

    Genesis - Most conservative Christian claim this was written by Moses. Most scholars, however, agree that this book is actually a compilation of at least three separate, older religious texts, that were later edited and worked together. Also, this editing happened several centuries after Moses supposedly lived.

    Exodus - There is no archeological evidence that ANY of the things in this book took place in history. Most scholars believe this book to be the work of many editors over many centuries.

    Leviticus - said to be the dictated word of God by Moses, evidence suggests it is actually a rule book written by Priests, several centuries after Moses supposedly lived.

    Numbers - the work of several editors working throughout centuries.

    Deuteronomy - Traditionally said to be written by Moses. However, most scholars believe it was written several centuries after Moses supposedly lived, a fraud written during the reign of King Josiah, a claim that he held the divine law.

    Joshua - Tradition says it was written by the prophet Joshua, in fact scholars believe it was written several centuries after he supposedly lived, by many different editors over many years.

    Judges - Traditionally ascribed to the prophet Samuel, most scholars believe Judges is a mish-mash of several different stories that ended up being compiled together. It contradicts information found in Joshua. It is believed that throughout the text there are later additions where someone tried to tie separate legends together as one long history, where there is odd moralizing and exposition between individual stories. There are internal contradictions that suggest poor editing and revision. Events in the book seem to hint at historical events that took place long after the book is supposed to be set in.

    Ruth - This book was supposedly written by Samuel, but the evidence contradicts this. The book makes a point of saying David was Ruth's grandson, but Samuel died before David became King. Also, the book talks about "the days the Judges ruled" as though that were a long past time, and explains the legal customs of the time as if they were unfamiliar and antiquated. So, it was probably written long after Samuel's time. Most of thttp://www.landoverbaptist.net/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=9he work is in classical Hebrew, but there are Aramaic intrusion that suggest later editing.

    Books of Samuel - Traditionally said to be written by Samuel, Nathan and Gad. However, scholars doubt that the way the book is written, that it was by contemporaries of the events described. Believed to be the work of redaction of several earlier short works, with many corruptions in the text.

    Book of Kings - the book itself says many times it is based on the writings of several earlier histories, and not the inspiration of God.

    Books of Chronicles - Traditionally said to be the work of Ezra, scholarship shows it was written long after his time.

    More to come.

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    Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

    ...Most scholars, however, agree....

    ....Most scholars believe....

    ....evidence suggests...

    ....most scholars believe....

    scholars believe
    most scholars believe
    the evidence contradicts
    scholars doubt
    Yeah, there's some solid proof there. So since it's the number of people who agree that make something the truth, I guess that makes the KJV Bible the absolute truth.

    Oh and I'd like to see some evidence of your assertions about Numbers, Kings and Chronicles.
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      Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

      Listen up, God-mocking Russkie: "Most scholars" don't have the power to drop-kick unbelievers like you into the lake of fire.
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        Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

        Originally posted by BelieverInGod View Post
        Yeah, there's some solid proof there. So since it's the number of people who agree that make something the truth, I guess that makes the KJV Bible the absolute truth.
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          Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

          Originally posted by BelieverInGod View Post
          Yeah, there's some solid proof there. So since it's the number of people who agree that make something the truth, I guess that makes the KJV Bible the absolute truth.

          Oh and I'd like to see some evidence of your assertions about Numbers, Kings and Chronicles.
          Sure thing, ma'am.

          Numbers - the work of several editors working throughout centuries.

          Well, for one thing, there is the Deir Alla inscription, dated to be from 7th century BCE, which tells of "Balaam Son of Beor", a figure found in the book of Numbers, a famed Seer who lived at the time of the incription was made, several centuries after that the time of Moses.

          Now, the first five books of the Bible can be seen as the combination of four other works that were poorly pieced together, the histories of separate tribes who later came together and tried to corroborate their legends. The different patterns can easily be spotted. The four sources are:

          1) the Jahwist Source, which is the source of half of Genesis, half of Exodus, and fragments of Numbers. It talks of a human-like God called Yahweh, and explains the somewhat random stories that appear amidst the book of Numbers that don't seem to fit in. It was concerned with telling stories about historical/legendary figures of Judah's past.

          2) The Elohist source, describes a God called Elohim. These sections have a more elequent style then the stories that surround them, apparently written at a later date, they tend to duplicate stories from the Jahwist source, which explains the many similar stories that appear throughout the Pentateuch.Makes up a third of Genesis, half of Exodus, and fragments of Numbers.

          3) The Deuteronomist Source, which makes up mostly Deuteronomy and some of the later books. This is from a series of sermons based on the earlier sources, which explains why Deuteronomy is almost entirely a repetition of the previous four books of the Bible in a different style. This was written at a later date, trying to bring together the two earlier traditions, and starts referring to God as YHWH Elohainu, to make it appear these two were one character.

          4) The Priestly source, concerned with genealogies, dates, numbers and laws. This is very dry and has little narrative drive like the other sources, it was written for informational purposes by the Priests. It was a very low literary style compared to the stories that surround it. It's narratives tend to duplicate stuff from the earlier sources, but put the focus of the priesthood. Also, in these sections God is seen as distant and unmerciful, in stark contrast to how he is portrayed elsewhere. Makes up a fifth of Genesis, substantial parts of Exodus and Numbers, and almost all of Leviticus.

          The Pentateuch could not have been written by Moses, because in Genesis it gives a list of the Kings of Edom, who lived long after Moses died. And in Deuteronomy, their is an account of Moses' own death. It says of Moses' burial place that "No man knows until this day", which sounds like it was written long after Moses' death. In Genesis, it talks of "The days when the Canaanites lived in the land", which implies in the author's time, the Canaanites no longer lived there, but they were still there when Moses died. Also, Numbers 21:14 ementions an earlier book that talks about the life of Moses, probably a source for Numbers.

          Numbers 21:14 (KJV) Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the LORD, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,

          Different sources explains the two contradictory accounts of creation in Genesis 1 and 2, and also two stories about Abraham, Sarah, and a foreign King. It explains why sometimes the mountain is called Sinai and other times it is called Horeb. In the Jahwist source, God can communicate directly with mankind, like he did Adam and Abraham. In the Elohist source, he communicates only through dreams. In the Priestly source, God can only be approached through the Priesthood. It explains why in stories from the earlier sources, the heroes of the stories can set up altars whenever tehy choose and sacrifice whatever they want, but the ones from the Priestly source say tht the sacrifice must be made in the altar of the Priest and there are very strict rules about it.

          Book of Kings - the book itself says many times it is based on the writings of several earlier histories, and not the inspiration of God.

          You need only read the book of Kings to see that it cites it sources repeatedly (God is not mentioned).

          - For the reign of Solomon the text names its source as the book of the acts of Solomon (11:41) " 41And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?"

          1 Kings 14: 19And the rest of the acts of Jeroboam, how he warred, and how he reigned, behold, they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel.

          1 Kings 14: 29Now the rest of the acts of Rehoboam, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah?

          1 Kings 16: 20Now the rest of the acts of Zimri, and his treason that he wrought, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel?

          Books of Chronicles - Traditionally said to be the work of Ezra, scholarship shows it was written long after his time.

          The sources whence the chronicler compiled his work were public records, registers, and genealogical tables belonging to the Jews. These are referred to in the course of the book.

          1 Chronicles 27: 24Joab the son of Zeruiah began to number, but he finished not, because there fell wrath for it against Israel; neither was the number put in the account of the chronicles of king David.

          1 Chronicles 29: 29Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,

          2 Chronicles 9: 29Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?

          2 Chronicles 12: 15Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually.

          2 Chronicles 13: 22And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo.

          2 Chronicles 20: 34Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

          2 Chronicles 24: 27Now concerning his sons, and the greatness of the burdens laid upon him, and the repairing of the house of God, behold, they are written in the story of the book of the kings. And Amaziah his son reigned in his stead.

          2 Chronicles 26: 22Now the rest of the acts of Uzziah, first and last, did Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, write.

          2 Chronicles 32: 32Now the rest of the acts of Hezekiah, and his goodness, behold, they are written in the vision of Isaiah the prophet, the son of Amoz, and in the book of the kings of Judah and Israel.

          2 Chronicles 33: 18Now the rest of the acts of Manasseh, and his prayer unto his God, and the words of the seers that spake to him in the name of the LORD God of Israel, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel.

          2 Chronicles 33: 19His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sins, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers.

          2 Chronicles 27: 7Now the rest of the acts of Jotham, and all his wars, and his ways, lo, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah.

          2 Chronicles 35: 25And Jeremiah lamented for Josiah: and all the singing men and the singing women spake of Josiah in their lamentations to this day, and made them an ordinance in Israel: and, behold, they are written in the lamentations.

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            Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

            Sounds like a lot of liberal propaganda and secular Godmockery to me. Still, I am impressed that one Godless Russian was so enterprising as to compile that many lies in the pursuit of a single goal, even if it was to mock God and persecute True Christians ™. You know how hard it is for a drunk commie to get organized and finish something.
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            • #7
              Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

              It matters little who was holding the quill

              2 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version)


              16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

              End of conversation.
              2 Chronicles 7:14
              14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land Australia.

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                Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

                God wrote the Holy Bible. He dictated every word of it to King James. It's all explained HERE.
                Who Will Jesus Damn?

                Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                  Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

                  Moving along:

                  Esther - A strong argument against the historicity of Esther may be found in Esther 2:5-6, where the text says that "Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite; Who had been carried away from Jerusalem with the captivity which had been carried away with Jeconiah king of Judah, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away." Jeconiah ruled Judah circa 598 BCE (he ruled for 3 months according to the Book of 2 Kings), but Xerxes I of Persia ruled from 486-465 BCE. So if the story were indeed historical, and the reference here is to Mordecai, then he would have had to be well over 100 years of age during the events related in the story. Identifying Ahasuerus with Artaxerxes I or Artaxerxes II would only make the historicity of the story more improbable as both of these kings ruled after Xerxes I.

                  Job - Adapted from a long poem about suffering, with an opening and closing narrative that was later added in to make it seem like a story. It is believed to be the translation of a Sumerian poem. The interruption of the flow of the story by the character of Elihu was also probably added in later.

                  Psalms - Said to be the work of David, most likely compiled from the works of many different anonymous authors.

                  Proverbs - Said to be the work of Solomon, disunity in the text suggest multiple authors, and almost certainly written well after Solomon's time.

                  Ecclesiastes - Said to be the work of Solomon, who lived in the 10th century BCE, it is actually probably from somewhere around 250 BCE. There are two voices, the frame-narrator, an the "Preacher", which suggest two different authors. The style of Hebrew is from a much later time than Solomon.

                  Song of Songs - Said to be the work of Solomon, most likely it is the work of an author writing eponymously.

                  Isaiah - Most likely the work of several authors. Most of the content after chapter 39 seems of a different style to the earlier chapters. The book is full of anachronisms, talking about events that happened after the time of Isaiah, and several predictions made turned out wrong. Chapters 40-66 do not mention Isaiah's name like the earlier chapters do, suggesting different authorship.

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                    Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

                    Utter blasphemy.

                    Of course, it is a common atheist godmocking tactic to drown us in so much information that we aren't able to answer it all, so that they then can claim victory on the points we couldn't address.

                    I will refute only one of your points:

                    Originally posted by Bogdana Alkeav View Post
                    Esther - A strong argument against the historicity of Esther may be found in Esther 2:5-6, where the text says that "Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite; Who had been carried away from Jerusalem with the captivity which had been carried away with Jeconiah king of Judah, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away." Jeconiah ruled Judah circa 598 BCE (he ruled for 3 months according to the Book of 2 Kings), but Xerxes I of Persia ruled from 486-465 BCE. So if the story were indeed historical, and the reference here is to Mordecai, then he would have had to be well over 100 years of age during the events related in the story. Identifying Ahasuerus with Artaxerxes I or Artaxerxes II would only make the historicity of the story more improbable as both of these kings ruled after Xerxes I.
                    A misinterpretation that seems so clumsy that you would think it is deliberate. Let's take a look at this passage:

                    Esther 2:5-6:

                    Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;
                    Who had been carried away from Jerusalem with the captivity which had been carried away with Jeconiah king of Judah, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away.

                    I think it is rather obvious here that the "who" who had been carried away here was Kish, not Mordecai, as Kish is the last person named in the preceding Verse.

                    Also, it would make sense to name his father three generations back if you want to trace the ancestry of Mordecai back to the point where his ancestors left Israel, which was an important turning point in history for the jews. However, if it was Mordecai who was carried away, what sense would it make to name these three ancestors? Why not just two, like the Bible usually does?

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                    Sweet Lord Jesus,
                    I want to pray for those who persecute me, my Lord.
                    Please, treat their children as you treated those of Egypt, when they upset you! (Psalm 135:8-9)
                    Dash their little children against the stones for their fathers iniquity! (Psalm 137:8-9)
                    Hit them on the cheek, and smash out their teeth! (Psalm 3:7)
                    Make their death and descent into Hell swift and terrible! (Psalm 55:15)
                    Scatter their broken bodies over the streets of their evil cities, like Benghazi, Amsterdam, Tokyo and Mecca! (Psalm 110:6)
                    Praised be Your Glorious Name™.

                    Amen.

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                      Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

                      Lamentations - Supposedly the work of Jeremiah, his name appears nowhere in the book, and the style of poetry is not found in the Book of Jeremiah. Multiple authors for the five poems in the book is likely.

                      Daniel - Tradition says this is the work of the prophet Daniel, written in the 6th century BCE. However, all evidence points to it being written around 165 BCE. The "predictions" in the book, therefore, were about things that had already happened. The book was written in response to Antiochus IV Epiphanes attack on the Temple in in 167 BCE. Leading Jewish and patristic commentators of the time agree that the Book of Daniel talks about Antiochus - Josephus, Hippolytus, Jerome. "Daniel" is not included in the "Prophets" section of the Hebrew Scriptures, which would be odd had it been written at the same time as the other Prophetic books. If it was newer, it would explain why it did not hold the same authoritative spot in the Scriptures. In 180 BCE, Sirach wrote an apocryphal book where he list famous men from Jewish history, but does not include Daniel. The writer of 1 Maccabees (written ~100 BCE), however, repeats much of that list and includes Daniel and the three men in the furnace. So "Daniel" was probably written after 180 BCE but before 100 BCE. The style of the Hebrew and Aramaic was of that period. The book also uses loan words from Greek, which would have been very unusual in the 6th century BCE, but not so much in the 2nd. He uses the word "Chaldean" to refer to astrologers, while in the 6th century BCE, that word was used for an ethnicity.

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                        Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

                        It really, really doesn't matter who physically wrote the Bible. King James was appointed by God to produce the final authoritative version - The King accomplished this in 1611.

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                          Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

                          Save your breath, brothers. I believe this is a communist female robot-demon sent to spew a never ending stream of Stalinist lies. It won't respond unless you offer it some nylons and chocolates.
                          Who Will Jesus Damn?

                          Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                          Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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                            Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

                            Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                            Save your breath, brothers. I believe this is a communist female robot-demon sent to spew a never ending stream of Stalinist lies. It won't respond unless you offer it some nylons and chocolates.
                            I see. It has completely ignored my rebuttal of its lies about Esther. Typical atheist behavior, first spouting all kinds of ridiculous blasphemies about the Bible, and then running away if someone actually responds to it.
                            Sweet Lord Jesus,
                            I want to pray for those who persecute me, my Lord.
                            Please, treat their children as you treated those of Egypt, when they upset you! (Psalm 135:8-9)
                            Dash their little children against the stones for their fathers iniquity! (Psalm 137:8-9)
                            Hit them on the cheek, and smash out their teeth! (Psalm 3:7)
                            Make their death and descent into Hell swift and terrible! (Psalm 55:15)
                            Scatter their broken bodies over the streets of their evil cities, like Benghazi, Amsterdam, Tokyo and Mecca! (Psalm 110:6)
                            Praised be Your Glorious Name™.

                            Amen.

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                              Re: Who REALLY Wrote the Bible (It sure wasn't God...)

                              You keep talking about "evidence", "studies", and "science", when you're ignoring the overwhelming evidence right there in front of you, in the Bible.
                              It's obvious that God wrote it, because it says so right there, and God doesn't lie.

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