[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I wasn't asking a question.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

This is totally against what the bible says. The bibles is about governments, the question is, who has the right to rule?

The Bible is not about "governments." There were no "governments" in the Bible worthy of the name. You are conflating the term 'government' to mean any system or rule at all. In the Bible OT, there are absolute monarchs and absolute tribal leaders, all appointed (or killed) by God. In the NT, there are the Romans and the Pharisees. The Jews had no say in what the heathen Romans did and some Pharisees, who were the local theocrats, refused to listen to Jesus' word.

This is the bibles theme.

I would have thought that the future of mankind, Godly conduct and the road to Salvation were more the theme. Your emphasis (see above) is misplaced. Yes, you can boil it down to what you say, but you can also boil it down to a geography or history lesson or the ramblings of old Jewish folk tales: Ti:1:14: Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Right now it is Satan ruling,

You may have voted for Obama but I didn't.

but that will change before, everything is totally ruined. It is man that chose this.

But all the good things - didn't men choose those as well? The kind, the generous, the honest, the compassionate, the True Christian(tm), are they "of Satan"? Are you some sort of "humanist" who believes man's destiny is in his own hands rather than the Hands of God? No son, God chooses everything, He guides everyone otherwise how could He know our futures?

And the scientists have really given man the ability the ruin the earth. So the scientists are also part of the problem. Yes you are correct they are stupid theories. Byt the scientists are not stupid people. So why?

Ge:1:26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

You see God will look after us all for the Earth is ours - it is not Satan's. Satan cannot rule over us, he has no mandate and is devoid of power. Why! Satan has only ever killed 2 people Job 1:1-19 and that was with God looking on and there was nothing at all to say that the 2 dead people were evil. Whereas Almighty God has killed about 2 million - that's what I call power and just retribution.

So don't worry yourself with your stories about a Boogeyman being in charge - God will protect us from all ills.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If that's so, why does the Bible say about God,

So what's the question?

I wasn't asking a question.

Ms Bog, merely leaving off a '?' does not mean a question was not asked.

@epignosis,
The question is in the first quote above.

(I feel like I am herding cats here! when UT get together, there are always disagreements. Why cannot they accept the Unity that comes from acceptance of The Word of The Lord?)

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Ms Bog, merely leaving off a '?' does not mean a question was not asked.

@epignosis,
The question is in the first quote above.

(I feel like I am herding cats here! when UT get together, there are always disagreements. Why cannot they accept the Unity that comes from acceptance of The Word of The Lord?)

Mr. Zekey, please not epignosis was NOT quoting from the post you seem to think he was.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

"Pastor Bathfire" to you and I do not care for your quibbling over trivia.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

If that's so, why does the Bible say about God,


Joshua 3:13 The LORD of all the earth

2 Kings 19:15 Thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.
1 Chronicles 16:31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.

Psalm 47:2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.

Psalm 47:7 For God is the King of all the earth.

Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Psalm 97:1 The LORD reigneth; let the earth rejoice.

Isaiah 37:16 Thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth.

Micah 4:13 I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.

Zechariah 6:5 These are the four spirits of the heavens, which go forth from standing before the LORD of all the earth.

Luke 10:21 Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth...

Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth.

John 12:31 (New American Standard Bible)

31"Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.



John 14:30 (New American Standard Bible)

30"I will not speak much more with you, for (A)the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;

John 14:30 (King James Version)

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

This Jesus speaking here.


Matthew 4:8-9 (King James Version)

8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Satan could not offer this to Jesus without him being in control of these governments.


Revelation 13:2 (King James Version)

2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

This where the bible tells us that the 'dragon' (Satan), gives the power, to the beast. ( the beast represents mans governments on the earth ) This is where one of the keys to unlocking the understanding of Revelation, is found.
Satan is the ruler of the world, and all the government's, have been under his control.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

I wasn't asking a question.

Ok.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Ezekiel Bathfire:......

The Bible is not about "governments." There were no "governments" in the Bible worthy of the name. You are conflating the term 'government' to mean any system or rule at all. In the Bible OT, there are absolute monarchs and absolute tribal leaders, all appointed (or killed) by God. In the NT, there are the Romans and the Pharisees. The Jews had no say in what the heathen Romans did and some Pharisees, who were the local theocrats, refused to listen to Jesus' word.

Most people think the bible is about man's salvation, but really, it is about governments. God's Sovereignty. The bible answers the question of who has the right to rule, Satan or God.It also says how this is going to happen, and of course man's place in this. Since we have free will to choose just like Adam did.Adam chose Satan of all of us, but we as individuals also have the opportunity to choose.

Matthew 6:9-10 (King James Version)

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

So in this well known verse of Jesus praying to Jehovah, he asks us to pray for God's Kingdom, not only in heaven but on the earth.



In Genesis is the first prophecy in the bible and it is answered in Revelation.
So God's Sovereignty, ( government) is the theme of the bible.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Ms Bog, merely leaving off a '?' does not mean a question was not asked.

@epignosis,
The question is in the first quote above.

That's correct, 'Ms Bog' listed a a number of scriptures, but I did not get what the point of them were. So what in particular, did she want a comment on? Because she said she was not asking a question, there is no answer that I could give. So I said OK, to let her know I read her post.
(I got whacked from the monitor for that)
If she asked a question I would have answered it!

[Bogdana Alkeav]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

John 12:31 (New American Standard Bible)

31"Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.



John 14:30 (New American Standard Bible)

30"I will not speak much more with you, for (A)the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;

John 14:30 (King James Version)

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

This Jesus speaking here.


Matthew 4:8-9 (King James Version)

8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Satan could not offer this to Jesus without him being in control of these governments.


Revelation 13:2 (King James Version)

2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Thanks, once again, for showing how the Bible contradicts itself.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Thanks, once again, for showing how the Bible contradicts itself.

Actually there is no contradiction.
This is easy to understand.
Jehovah is God the creator, and as such is over all things.( including the earth)
He gave the ruler ship of the earth to an angel that made himself Satan. ( resistor)
As the ruler of the earth Satan deceived Eve and caused Adam to be disloyal.
But Satan is the ruler of the earth. ( God still has ultimate control.) So what Jehovah did , is allowed Satan to continue his rule of the earth, and man chose to follow him rather than God. This was allowed so that man and the angels , could see how things would end up.
Well, we see how things turned out.
This act allowed this question, ( of man going on his own)to be answered for all time. God will step in, at his appointed time, which he set at Adam's disloyalty.( he will not allow his earth to be totally ruined by man.)
At Armageddon Jesus will take this ruler ship away from Satan. That is why the sealed number 144,000 taken from the earth will rule with Jesus for 1,000 years. This is the time set still remaining of (God's rest day), to bring the earth and man back to the perfect state, in which it started.
The earth and man at the end of God's rest-day , were to be perfect and in a filled earth with man and animals. So nothing has changed , it will be done just as Jehovah said it would be, and in the same time period.

Very rational.

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

But all the good things - didn't men choose those as well? The kind, the generous, the honest, the compassionate, the True Christian™, are they "of Satan"? Are you some sort of "humanist" who believes man's destiny is in his own hands rather than the Hands of God? No son, God chooses everything, He guides everyone otherwise how could He know our futures?

I believe what the bible says.
An example, that the bible gives us is Noah. It was because Noah did what God wanted him to do. ( he was a preacher of righteousness) in the way Jehovah wanted him to do it, he was saved. Noah had the free will to do it or not. There about 1 million people at that time, and Noah and his family were the only ones that survived. No one offered to help him, they thought he was deluded. Actually the people jeered him. So man has a choice. And it wouldn't be the popular way to go. Even among religions. The same when Jesus came. The 'chosen people' the Jewish nation put Jesus to death. This pictures the state of Christianity today.
So many that think they are doing God's will are not.


Matthew 7:22-23 (King James Version)

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

This scripture is talking about Christians, ones that believe in Jesus.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Most people think the bible is about man's salvation,

Most Christians and all True Christians™ do

but really, it is about governments. God's Sovereignty.

Idiot child! God's Sovereignty is a given! WHY does He hold this position? WHAT is His purpose?

The bible answers the question of who has the right to rule, Satan or God.

What???? Have you ever read a Bible? God Rules, OK? The earth the heavens are all His!

It also says how this is going to happen, and of course man's place in this.

As you have moved off into the realms of fantasy and private interpretation, I think I'm not even going to comment on this stupidity.

Since we have free will to choose just like Adam did.Adam chose Satan of all of us,

This is patent garbage! At the time of eating the fruit of the Tree of knowledge, Adam did not have the knowledge of Good and Evil. His offense was to disobey God. He listened to a woman and she was bound to have gotten it wrong - but Adam was not to know that!

He was ejected from Eden because he was now mortal and had to live as a mortal man.

When Jesus came, He gave us the opportunity to wash away our sins (all of them) in the Warm Blood of The Lamb of God and this - as True Christians™ - we have done!

Matthew 6:9-10 (King James Version) 9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

So in this well known verse of Jesus praying to Jehovah, he asks us to pray for God's Kingdom, not only in heaven but on the earth.

Sir, you have a delusion greater than the man possessed in the parable of the Gadarene Swine.

Mat:6:10 is the pious hope that the world will see it’s errors and that all will obey God’s Word. Even back then there were sinners, “for we have all fallen short” Falling short is not “being Ruled by Satan”! It is simply that – being a bit lax or somewhat careless – It does not suggest that the world has turned to witchcraft, idolatry or coveting neighbors’ oxen at the word of Satan! That is far, far too dramatic an interpretation.

Jesus knew we were human! And there’s a big difference between being human and worshiping the Devil!

You need to leave those heathens, the Jehovah’s Witnesses and get yourself to a real Baptist church where you can save your deluded and wizened soul!

AND STOP POSTING IN BLUE! (verses may be done in maroon symbolizing the Blood of Christ.)

[epignosis]

Re: God HATES Rational Thinking!

Most Christians and all True Christians™ do Idiot child! God's Sovereignty is a given! WHY does He hold this position? WHAT is His purpose? What???? Have you ever read a Bible? God Rules, OK? The earth the heavens are all His! As you have moved off into the realms of fantasy and private interpretation, I think I'm not even going to comment on this stupidity. This is patent garbage! At the time of eating the fruit of the Tree of knowledge, Adam did not have the knowledge of Good and Evil. His offense was to disobey God. He listened to a woman and she was bound to have gotten it wrong - but Adam was not to know that!

He was ejected from Eden because he was now mortal and had to live as a mortal man.

When Jesus came, He gave us the opportunity to wash away our sins (all of them) in the Warm Blood of The Lamb of God and this - as True Christians™ - we have done!Sir, you have a delusion greater than the man possessed in the parable of the Gadarene Swine.

Mat:6:10 is the pious hope that the world will see it’s errors and that all will obey God’s Word. Even back then there were sinners, “for we have all fallen short” Falling short is not “being Ruled by Satan”! It is simply that – being a bit lax or somewhat careless – It does not suggest that the world has turned to witchcraft, idolatry or coveting neighbors’ oxen at the word of Satan! That is far, far too dramatic an interpretation.

Jesus knew we were human! And there’s a big difference between being human and worshiping the Devil!

You need to leave those heathens, the Jehovah’s Witnesses and get yourself to a real Baptist church where you can save your deluded and wizened soul!

AND STOP POSTING IN BLUE! (verses may be done in maroon symbolizing the Blood of Christ.)

These scriptures I have mentioned over my last few posts are are what Jesus said about the ruler of the world ,these are not my words. Jesus called Satan the ruler of the world. There are many scriptures that confirm this.

John 14:30 (New American Standard Bible)

30"I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in Me;


John 14:30 (King James Version)

30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

I have used the KJV of the bible and sometimes a few others, to prove what I say. This information is in the bible, you like to use.
I know this understanding is different than many have been taught, but it is your bible.


Matthew 6:9-10 (King James Version)

9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

So in this well known verse of Jesus praying to Jehovah, he asks us to pray for God's Kingdom, not only in heaven but on the earth.

Many know this prayer of Jesus to his Father. This kingdom , Jesus mentions here, is the first thing mentioned in this prayer. So Jesus considered it of first importance. This is the theme of the bible. It is about government.
The book of Revelation is all about government.


Genesis 3:15 (King James Version)

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This is the first prophecy in the bible and talks about how God will have Jesus take the ruler ship of Satan away from him. This prophecy is fulfilled in Revelation.

The bible is about God and how he will take away Satan's ruler ship, and how this will affect all of mankind.

[epignosis]

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Jesus knew we were human! And there’s a big difference between being human and worshiping the Devil!

Yes, that is true. But we are all born in sin. We have no choice about that. We inherited that. The bible tells we are all under the ruler-ship of Satan. But through Jesus death and the bible itself we can through knowledge and and our desire to follow Jesus we can, even in our imperfect state be successful.
Though few will actually do that.

Matthew 7:13-14 (King James Version)

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Now here is a verse that , God tells us what to teach to the people of the world.

Matthew 24:14 (King James Version)

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Do you see what is supposed to be discussed in this preaching work.
It is the good news (gospel) of the kingdom.
So God tells us to tell the world about his kingdom. ( government)

Do you see , how this fits?