[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

Is this guy for real?

As real as God, the Holy Bible and the fires of hell you will be burning in for all eternity . Have a nice day!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Shout Glory! He is risen!!

[star_man]

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Hello, please no unsults - I only mean to ask a question or two...

Why is it so important what color Jesus is? And why so much hate?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

Hello, please no unsults - I only mean to ask a question or two...

Why is it so important what color Jesus is? And why so much hate?

We value the Truth(c)1611. Christianity is a thinking man's religion.

[clouds_star]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

SOME PRELIMINARY INFORMATION
In ancient times, including Jesus’ time, the Arabian peninsula was considered part of what we now call Africa, not “the Near East” or “the Middle East”. Americans and modern Europeans tend to think of a genealogy as a simple chronological list of ancestors and descendants; hence, many skeptics are quick to point out omissions in biblical genealogies and claim those are “proof” that the Bible is not reliable.
It is important to note that in ancient times genealogies were not always simple “family histories”. They served numerous purposes, e.g.:
The segmented genealogy describes more than one line of descent from an ancestor. It charts alliances among peoples and may serve a variety of different functions in the areas of confederations, intermarriage, habitations, possessions of land, and war.
Segmented genealogies were used for domestic purposes by mirroring changes in the society, and for religious reasons related to celebrating some festival. They were also used for political and legal purposes revealing ethnic alliances. Since the group was more socially powerful than the individual, relationship to the group enhanced one’s social power. This made ethnic relationships essential for effectuating treaties and alliances. Thus, family tree records were pressed into the service of explaining the social and political relationships needed to defend and maintain the survival of the people.
McCray, Vol 2. pp 32-33
I do not claim to be an expert on this topic, nor does this paper purport to be an exhaustive treatise on this subject. The main reasons I put the paper (slightly modified) on the site are:
Most English-language information on Christianity gives the false subliminal impression that Jesus was a dark-haired Anglo, (an American term referring to Caucasian Americans of generally northern European heritage, e.g., English, German, etc. “Anglo” is a term of ethnicity not race. It is a narrower term than “white” or “Caucasian”. For instance, medium-dark skinned persons from India, Pakistan, etc., are definitely Caucasian but would not be considered Anglo.)
Christianity is frequently portrayed as “the White Man’s religion”. The truth is that most of the people in the Bible were people of color (i.e., not “Anglo”): Semitics, blacks, and Mediterranean, e.g., Romans.
I spent a lot of time researching and writing this (about 30 hours), because so little material is available.
Very little information is readily available in print.
Virtually all the printed works on this topic are very biased: American and European biblical scholars like to pretend that Jesus was Anglo, and black Bible scholars who write on this topic give the impression that everybody in the Bible was dark black with pronounced negro features.
Like most Anglos, I was quite surprised to find out that Jesus does have black ancestry.
I know it’ll really bug a lot of Anglos who feel superior to people of color because “Jesus was white.” (i.e., Anglo).
(Incidentally, since I know people will wonder . . . I’m half German and half Italian. I attend a Protestant black church and also a congregation of Messianic Jewish and gentile believers because those are where the Lord led me.)
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THE ORIGIN OF MANKIND AFTER THE FLOOD
According to Genesis 9:19 and the Table of Nations in Genesis 10, all mankind is descended from the three sons of Noah: Shem, Ham and Japheth.
The descendants of Japheth, the youngest son, settled in Anatolia, modern Turkey, and from there moved into the Caucasus mountains of Western Russia and from there settled Europe and Russia. They are the ancestors of the Caucasian peoples. Their main impact on Israel was through the Persians, the Greeks and the Romans.
Ham’s descendants became the various black peoples who settled the African continent and parts of the Arabian peninsula. His sons were Cush, whose descendants settled in Ethiopia, Mizraim, whose descendants settled in Egypt, Put, whose descendants settled in Libya, and Canaan, whose descendants settled in Palestine and founded the cities of Sidon, Tyre and Carthage and, among others, were the ancestors of the Phoenicians.
Collectively, in ancient times the descendants of Cush formed a large ethnic group and were the main populace of the Cushite Empire, which extended from present-day western Libya to Ethiopia and Nubia, south of Egypt, all of present-day Egypt, and the Arabian peninsula into the mountains of Turkey. They spoke a variety of languages and had skin pigmentation ranging from dark black to medium brown.
One of Cush’s sons was Nimrod, founder of Babylon, Akkad, Assyria and Nineveh, several of early mankind’s most powerful nations and cities. Their languages are generally referred to as belonging to the Western Semitic group, although they actually are Hamitic.
Mizraim’s descendants became the Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, and Casluhim [Philistines]. According to the Jewish-Roman historian Flavius Josephus, most of these peoples were destroyed in the Ethiopic Wars.
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THE MYTHICAL ‘CURSE OF HAM’ AND THE ACTUAL CURSE OF CANAAN
It is often claimed that the black race resulted from a curse that Noah placed on his son Ham because Noah became drunk with wine and Ham “looked upon his father’s nakedness.” Some scholars interpret this as a euphemism and believe that Ham had homosexual intercourse with his father; others believe the reason for the curse was the disgrace Ham caused by telling others. The claim is that the curse turned Ham black on the spot. In any event, Genesis 9:25-27 records that in fact Noah cursed Ham’s youngest son, Canaan, not Ham: [25] he said, “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.” [26] He also said, “Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. [27] May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be his slave.”
Canaan’s descendants founded Sidon and, among others, were the ancestors of the Jebusites, Amorites, Girgashites, Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, Arvadites, Zemarites and Hamathites. There is ample historical evidence that indeed they were cursed with moral depravity including temple prostitutes and human sacrifice. One scholar, Lenormant, said of the Canaanite religion: “No other people ever rivaled them in the mixture of bloodshed and debauchery with which they thought to honor the Deity.” (per Summary of Near Eastern History, cited below.)
Shem’s descendants became the Semitic peoples who settled parts of the Arabian Peninsula, including what is now Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, Israel, and Lebanon. They were of a generally medium-brown complexion with facial features roughly mid-way between typical negro and typical Caucasian and the languages they spoke included Arabic, Hebrew, and Aramaic, Jesus’ native language.
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THE LINEAGE OF JESUS FROM NOAH
Jesus descended from the line of Shem; His lineage from Noah through Abraham is shown in Genesis 11:10-27 and Luke 3:34-38: Noah, Shem, Arphaxad, Cainan, Salah, Eber, Peleg, Reu, Serug, Nahor, Terah, Abram a.k.a Abraham.
Jesus’ lineage from Abraham through David is shown in Matthew 1 and Luke 3: Matt 1:[2] Abraham, of Ur of the Chaldees & Sarah, Isaac & Rebekah, Jacob & Leah, [3] Judah & Tamar [Canaanite ?], Perez, Hezron, [4] Ram, Amminadab, Nahshon, [5] Salmon & Rahab [Canaanite], Boaz & Ruth [Moabite], Obed, [6] Jesse, David & Bethsheba, who probably was a non-Hamitic Hittite **. (Moabites were Semitic — descendants of Abraham’s nephew Lot; see Genesis 20:36-37.)
(**Note: This page used to say that, historically, there are two unrelated peoples called “Hittites” — one descended from Ham, (Hamitic) and one from Japheth and the Japheth group were Caucasian. Having researched this further, I don’t think that is correct. The Hittites are among the oldest of the Indo-European peoples. They are Japhethic, not Hamitic. This site has information on the Hittites.)
Rahab was a contemporary of Joshua, successor to Moses. Seventy Israelites went into captivity in Egypt and during the 400 years the Israelites were in captivity in Egypt they and their descendants intermarried with non-Israelites. (The Israelites were in Egypt 430 years, 400 in captivity.) The group of over 600,000 men plus women and children that left Egypt under Moses was a “mixed multitude”. Ethnically, their ancestors were a combination of Hamitic Egyptians and Semitic Israelites. Although the Bible lays out Jesus’ ancestors through Shem, it does not mention that His ancestors’ would have had Hamitic blood from this intermixing, e.g. on their mothers’ sides.
Jesus’ human paternal genealogy after David, mainly as shown in Matthew is: [7] Solomon (1Ch 3:5), Rehoboam, Abijah, [8] Asa, Jehoshaphat, Jehoram, [9] Uzziah (Ahaziah 1Ch 3:11), Joash (1Ch3:11), Amaziah (1Ch3:12), Azariah (1Ch3:12), [Matt 9] Jotham, Ahaz, [10] Hezekiah, Manasseh, Amon, [11] Josiah, [12] Jeconiah, Shealtiel, [13] Zerubbabel, Abiud, Eliakim, [14] Azor, Zadok, Akim, [15] Eliud, Eleazar, Matthan, [16] Jacob, Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus.
Jesus’ maternal genealogy after David, as shown in Luke 3:23-31: Nathan (1Ch 3:5), Mattatha, Menna, [31] Melea, Eliakim, Jonam, Joseph, Judah, [30] Simeon, Levi, Matthat, Jorim, Eliezer, [29] Joshua, Er, Elmadam, Cosam, Addi, [28] Melki, Neri, Shealtiel, Zerubbabel, Rhesa, [27] Joanan, Joda, Josech, Semein, Mattathias, [26] Maath, Naggai, Esli, Nahum, Amos, [25] Mattathias, Joseph, Jannai, Melki, Levi, [24] Matthat, Heli, Joseph, Jesus.
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THE BLACK PRESENCE IN JESUS’ LINEAGE
Jesus’ male ancestors trace a line from Shem. However, ethnically and racially, they were mixed Semitic and Hamitic from the times spent in captivity in Egypt and Babylon.
Rahab and probably Tamar were Canaanites. Although Canaanites spoke a Semitic language, they were descendants of Ham through his son Canaan. Bethsheba, who had been the wife of Uriah the Hittite, probably was a Hamitic Hittite herself.
In the United States today the general view on whether someone is “black” is the One-Drop Rule — if a person has any black ancestors s/he is considered “black”, even with a clearly Anglo skin color, e.g., Mariah Carry, Vanessa L. Williams, LaToya Jackson. (cf., for example, The Politics of Egyptology and the History Kemet (Egypt))
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THE THEOLOGICAL SIGNIFICANCE
In Old Testament times the first son had the right of preeminence, the right to inherit the best of what his father owned. As first-born son of Abraham, Shem and his descendants had that right. As first-born Son of Jehovah, Jesus has that right. In Ezekiel, e.g., 5:5-7 God condemns Israel, saying that it has been more unfaithful than the Gentiles. Yet Jesus was entitled to the best the Father had. During the period from Noah to the Cross, God was preparing for His only Son a worthy inheritance. Also, regarding Israel, God had covenanted with Abraham:
Genesis 17:7-8 “[7] I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you. [8] The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God.”
It has also been noted:
The prophesy of the moral and spiritual history of the nations in Genesis 9 furnishes an indispensable introduction to the principle that underlies the table of the nations in Genesis 10. The principle is that in divine dealings the moral character of a thing cannot be understood unless its source is known. Israel was in God’s mind the medium of redemptive blessing to the world, and it was necessary for the nation to understand the source from which the various nations that surrounded her sprang, in order that she might have an insight into their character, thereby to guide her attitude and conduct toward them. This moral and spiritual principle underlying Genesis 10 makes it unique. (Summary of Near Eastern History by R.P. Nettelhorst, Chapter: “Prehistory: The Flood”, Quartz Hill School of Theology) [emphasis added]
God used the Hamitic descendants in Egypt and Babylon and the Japhethic descendants in Rome to train and castigate Israel, to “bring it through the fire” and “remove the dross”. (In metallurgy, certain metals are refined by melting them. Impurities rise to the top and are skimmed off. This layer of impurities is known as ‘dross’.)
God used the Shemitic and Japhethic descendants to fulfill Noah’s curse on Canaan and His promise to Abraham, giving the land of Canaan’s descendants to Israel and destroying the Phoenicians with Alexander the Great (Tyre) and Rome (Carthage).
At the Tower of Babel mankind tried to make itself great independent of God, so God confused man’s language. At Pentecost, God showed that men, even descendants of Canaan, can only be brought together in Him.
God used Jesus, a descendant of cursed Canaan, to redeem the Elect, showing that people need not be bound by generational curses if they trust and rely on God for deliverance.





and if you white people read it tells you that your the children of the fallen angles AKA neanderthals

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/05/100506-science-neanderthals-humans-mated-interbred-dna-gene/

Evil lives HERE! "The White LIE...
if you want to know the truth a teacher for you

rev 18:4 COME OUT FROM AMONG HER

http://cofah.com/

praise yhwh Shalom

[Meek and Humble]

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blah blah blah

Too long, didn't read.

[True Disciple]

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---Long, rambling wall of text of about 3000 words, of which about 20 were written by this poster---

Do you really think I'm going to read that?

[Youth Minister Harry]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

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I think I can communicate with this one. I once stayed in a Holiday Inn Express where the TV was stuck on BET for a couple of hours until one of the boys showed me how to work his remote control. It was terrifying, but educational. For both of us. Here goes nothing...

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Cold Hittin Dat In Da Blood Of Christ Fo Realz Y'all,
Harry Lester

[xcalibur1]

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I can't make new threads yet, so I'll reply in here.

I don't see why Jesus was white when he was from the Ancient Near East. People from that region have color in their skin.

Besides, Jesus has been portrayed by many cultures, typically to look like one of their own. Thus, Jesus has been drawn as african, chinese, european, and so on.

Not that skin color should be that important anyway.

[James Hutchins]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

I can't make new threads yet, so I'll reply in here.

I don't see why Jesus was white when he was from the Ancient Near East. People from that region have color in their skin.

Besides, Jesus has been portrayed by many cultures, typically to look like one of their own. Thus, Jesus has been drawn as african, chinese, european, and so on.

Not that skin color should be that important anyway.

They do... NOW, they did not back then.

Shortly after Jesus roamed the Earth, it was decided to herd all the Hamites together in one area. Hence the predominantly nigra population.

[Cranky Old Man]

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I don't see why Jesus was white when he was from the Ancient Near East. People from that region have color in their skin.

Simple, Jesus was white because the Bible tells us this.

Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire"

[xcalibur1]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

They do... NOW, they did not back then.

Shortly after Jesus roamed the Earth, it was decided to herd all the Hamites together in one area. Hence the predominantly nigra population.

Interesting.

Simple, Jesus was white because the Bible tells us this.

Revelation 1:14 "His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire"

But the very next verse states:

15 His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters;

Feet like brass? This suggests a colored skin tone.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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Have you any idea what color brass is? Ever seen black brass? No? It thought not! This is obviously metaphorical - brass was seen as hard and resounding, like a bell.

[xcalibur1]

Re: Proof that Jesus is WHITE!

Have you any idea what color brass is? Ever seen black brass? No? It thought not! This is obviously metaphorical - brass was seen as hard and resounding, like a bell.

He wasn't black or african. But it still suggests to me that he had color to his skin.

[Youth Minister Harry]

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He wasn't black or african. But it still suggests to me that he had color to his skin.

We ALL have "color" to our skin. Ever seen a CLEAR person? How about a person with invisible skin? White people who toil hard as God commands may find themselves in the sun. For example: carpenters. The hue of their skin (the COLOR of their skin) may become reddish or brass or copper. Ever seen a copper colored Canaanite? I think not.

And since you seem to think people of different races see Jesus as their respective color, it seems to me that you yourself may be trying to paint our Savior in YOUR darkened brackish color. Make no mistake that negroids have a special place in the Bible, but express lane to Heaven is not it. Checking others' bags for the express lane, MAYBE.

Washed In The RED Blood Of Christ,
Harry Lester