[Stella LaForte]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

To paraphrase: "Blah, blah, blah, I hate God".

*applauds* Brilliant retort! Simply brilliant! I do so admire your linguistic prowess!

Still see no Biblical proof in what you are saying. Does the Bible say anything about using radars to measure distant from planets.

The verses you quoted are interesting. Are you trying to say the knowledge your spreading is increasing madness & follow and sorrow.

Does science say anything about the Bible? No, so why should the Bible say anything about science? One contradicts the other. The Bible is based off simple, baseless belief, while science is based off testabe, observable knowledge. Hm, I wonder what I'd pick.

That quote says that with knowledge comes sorrow. I find this interesting to put in the Bible, myself. I mean, the Bible wants people to be happy in their little delusion of God, no? So why, in the very book itself, is it admitted that with knowledge comes sorrow? So that the practitioners go not for knowledge, but for their delusion so they can attain happiness. Again, I find it interesting.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

That quote says that with knowledge comes sorrow. I find this interesting to put in the Bible, myself. I mean, the Bible wants people to be happy in their little delusion of God, no? So why, in the very book itself, is it admitted that with knowledge comes sorrow? So that the practitioners go not for knowledge, but for their delusion so they can attain happiness. Again, I find it interesting.

If you want to save your soul from Hell you need to repent and stop thinking for yourself and start trusting God without ever questioning Him:

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Stella, you need to understand that without God you are broken. Only faith can heal you. You just need to do everything God tells you to

[Lisa H]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Does science say anything about the Bible? No, so why should the Bible say anything about science? One contradicts the other. The Bible is based off simple, baseless belief, while science is based off testabe, observable knowledge. Hm, I wonder what I'd pick.

Scientists have always denounced the Bible. That is because all Scientists are atheists and hate God.

The Bible does not hate science, it only teaches science as God made it. Would you expect the Bible to teach science from Satan. Try reading about the Tower of Babel.

That quote says that with knowledge comes sorrow. I find this interesting to put in the Bible, myself. I mean, the Bible wants people to be happy in their little delusion of God, no? So why, in the very book itself, is it admitted that with knowledge comes sorrow? So that the practitioners go not for knowledge, but for their delusion so they can attain happiness. Again, I find it interesting.

The knowledge the verse are talking about is knowledge not from God. Like I said before, read about the Tower of Babel.

[Stella LaForte]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

If you want to save your soul from Hell you need to repent and stop thinking for yourself and start trusting God without ever questioning Him:

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Stella, you need to understand that without God you are broken. Only faith can heal you. You just need to do everything God tells you to

If God designed humans to simply trust and not think for ourselves, then why would we have been granted highly developed brains capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving? And this mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other living species on Earth. But why, if we were not meant to utilise the other higher-level thought processes of humans, such as self-awareness, rationality, and sapience, which are considered to be defining features of what constitutes a person! The existence of a God that creates everything makes no sense with the idea that we have to listen to that deity.

Scientists have always denounced the Bible. That is because all Scientists are atheists and hate God.

The Bible does not hate science, it only teaches science as God made it. Would you expect the Bible to teach science from Satan. Try reading about the Tower of Babel.



The knowledge the verse are talking about is knowledge not from God. Like I said before, read about the Tower of Babel.

I don't hate your god, I merely know that no such being exists. And that's irrelevant - "God-made" science entails what, nonsense like the Earth being flat, the firmament, and the sun being 500 miles away? Because that is complete fallacy.

[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

If you want to save your soul from Hell you need to repent and stop thinking for yourself and start trusting God without ever questioning Him:

Proverbs 3:5
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Stella, you need to understand that without God you are broken. Only faith can heal you. You just need to do everything God tells you to

You can't hate something if you don't believe in something, Ican not hate Santa Claus if I know he doesn't exist. You have no a good idea how atheist really are and how we think, wich is a very rational thinking.

[Lisa H]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

If God designed humans to simply trust and not think for ourselves, then why would we have been granted highly developed brains capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving? And this mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other living species on Earth. But why, if we were not meant to utilise the other higher-level thought processes of humans, such as self-awareness, rationality, and sapience, which are considered to be defining features of what constitutes a person! The existence of a God that creates everything makes no sense with the idea that we have to listen to that deity.



I don't hate your god, I merely know that no such being exists. And that's irrelevant - "God-made" science entails what, nonsense like the Earth being flat, the firmament, and the sun being 500 miles away? Because that is complete fallacy.

Here is the verses for the Tower of Babel

Genesis 11:1-9
1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

God's science is not nonsense, it is just that you have been brain washed into thinking that way. Everything the Bible teaches us is true, you just have to cast off the shackles of secular science.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

If God designed humans to simply trust and not think for ourselves, then why would we have been granted highly developed brains capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving? And this mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the hands for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other living species on Earth. But why, if we were not meant to utilise the other higher-level thought processes of humans, such as self-awareness, rationality, and sapience, which are considered to be defining features of what constitutes a person! The existence of a God that creates everything makes no sense with the idea that we have to listen to that deity.

God didn't design us to trust Him but He wants us to. God didn't design us to avoid fornication either but He don't want us to fornicate. Hell isn't going to fill itself and therefore God didn't design us to do His commands but instead He designed us in such a way that we can choose whether we want to follow Him or not.

Without language we wouldn't be able to spread and understand the Word of God. Without manipulating tools we wouldn't be able to create Bibles. Without introspection and self-awareness we wouldn't be able to know what sins we need to repent. Without rationality we wouldn't be able to understand that Hell is a bad place that we should avoid. And without sapience we wouldn't be able to judge others as God commands us to:

Psalm 37:30
The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

See? It all makes perfect sense.

I don't hate your god, I merely know that no such being exists. And that's irrelevant - "God-made" science entails what, nonsense like the Earth being flat, the firmament, and the sun being 500 miles away? Because that is complete fallacy.

How would you feel if I didn't believe you existed?

[Stella LaForte]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

God didn't design us to trust Him but He wants us to. God didn't design us to avoid fornication either but He don't want us to fornicate. Hell isn't going to fill itself and therefore God didn't design us to do His commands but instead He designed us in such a way that we can choose whether we want to follow Him or not.

And how do you know this? You don't. You only know what the Bible tells you, which is of questionable veracity at best.

Without language we wouldn't be able to spread and understand the Word of God. Without manipulating tools we wouldn't be able to create Bibles. Without introspection and self-awareness we wouldn't be able to know what sins we need to repent. Without rationality we wouldn't be able to understand that Hell is a bad place that we should avoid. And without sapience we wouldn't be able to judge others as God commands us to:

Psalm 37:30
The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.

See? It all makes perfect sense.

That all makes sense if you operate under the assumption that a God exists. But see, you're simply taking things and twisting them to fit.

How would you feel if I didn't believe you existed?

I'd completely understand if you chose to adopt a solipsistic viewpoint.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You can't hate something if you don't believe in something, Ican not hate Santa Claus if I know he doesn't exist. You have no a good idea how atheist really are and how we think, wich is a very rational thinking.

If you were to read my post about curing atheism (link is in my signature) you would understand that it is necessary to fear God in order to become wise and smart. Therefore atheists can't be smart

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Alright, I'll bite. Hopefully, I can show her the glaring errors in this thinking.

See, astronomers determine the size and shape of our galaxy and measured distances to other stars using the parallax method. To get the distance to the sun, astronomers first had to determine the exact distance to Venus. With the invention of radar, scientists were able to measure the distance to Venus very precisely. By timing how long it took the radar beam to travel at the speed of light to Venus and back, the total distance to the object can be determined from the equation:

There are a number of assumptions here.

Distance = (Speed of Light) X (Total Time)/2

The reason the total time is divided by two is to get just the distance from the Earth to the object.

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Earth-Sun Distance = (Earth-Venus Distance) / (Cos q)

Using trigonometry, astronomers now know that the AU (Astronomical Unit) = 92,955,820.5 miles (149,597,892 kilometers). This incredible degree of accuracy is possible because the speed of light is known very precisely and extremely accurate clocks are used to time the radar reflection. Radar can’t be used to determine the distance to the Sun directly because the Sun doesn’t have a solid surface to reflect the radar efficiently.

But asides from that basic math, now astronomers have technologies to measure distances to other planets more directly. When we have a spacecraft at another planet, we know the time it takes a radio signal to travel between Earth and the spacecraft. We can also send a powerful radar signal toward a planet and time how long it takes for the echo to return. Astronomers know how fast these signals travel (the speed of light), so measuring how long they take makes it easy to calculate the distance very accurately.

First off, this is based on the assumption we know the Speed of Light which is simply not true. The Speed of Light is a hypothesis. There is no way feasible to measure it. For example, in the olden days, an experiment was set up where one man flashes a lantern on a hill while another man records when he first observed the light. They both had synchronized watches.

But if light travels at 186,000 miles per second, how can that be observable? If they were 18,600 miles apart, the light would take 1/10th a second to travel. This is both a) Impossible for the human eye to see and b) Impossible to react to in time.

Moving on, you make a huge mistake with the mathematics. You assume that if you know the distance to Venus, you can find out the distance to the Sun. Like I said, we cannot know the distance to Venus because we cannot prove the speed of light. However, for argument's sake, let's say we know the distance to Venus.

We only know the distance to Venus. Your diagram shows a right triangle. What you are trying to show is that we can deduce the distance from the Earth to Sun (the hypotenuse) based on only one side of the triangle (Earth to Venus). We do not know the distance between Venus and the Sun (the other side of the triangle).

Thus, we cannot prove the Pythagorean theorem based on a lack of information.

a² + b² = c²

a being distance from Earth to Venus (assuming we know)
b being distance from Venus to Sun (we don't know)
c being distance from Sun to Earth (we don't know)

Please tell me how you can solve that equation by just knowing the value for "a".

[Bible Student]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I love how nobody here has even tried to refute a single conjecture I proposed.

This is a pretty awesome song, by the way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZD0yp-E0rw

con·jec·ture (kn-jkchr)n.1. Inference or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
2. A statement, opinion, or conclusion based on guesswork: The commentators made various conjectures about the outcome of the next election.

Sister Lisa and Brother Johannes have presented you with scientific facts from the 1611 King James Bible. You offer us guesswork. And you have the audacity to demand a response? I have to admit, you have balls.

[Johannes Kirkeholm]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

And how do you know this? You don't. You only know what the Bible tells you, which is of questionable veracity at best.

Stella, you seem to be smarter than most atheists. Perhaps some True Logic(tm) can persuade you? God is infallible. Therefore He can't fail to exist. And btw, since God created everything He is the ultimate authority on everything. And since the Bible was written by God it can't be of questionable veracity.

That all makes sense if you operate under the assumption that a God exists. But see, you're simply taking things and twisting them to fit.

Oh, so now the girl who believes in science accuses me of twisting things? I find this funny seeing how scientists constantly change and twist their theories to fit with what they call 'evidence.' As if there existed any evidence in the world besides the KJV.

I'd completely understand if you chose to adopt a solipsistic viewpoint

How can physical objects have enduring qualities if they are mere mental projections or constructs of my mind? You are being silly, Stella.

[TheFlash]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

We know the angle though.
t=the angle between the sun and the earth and the sun and venus.
the distance between the earth and venus=a
the distance between the sun and earth =h

a/cos(t)=h by using elementary trigonometry. SOH CAH TOA

[TheFlash]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Alright, I'll bite. Hopefully, I can show her the glaring errors in this thinking.



First off, this is based on the assumption we know the Speed of Light which is simply not true. The Speed of Light is a hypothesis. There is no way feasible to measure it. For example, in the olden days, an experiment was set up where one man flashes a lantern on a hill while another man records when he first observed the light. They both had synchronized watches.

But if light travels at 186,000 miles per second, how can that be observable? If they were 18,600 miles apart, the light would take 1/10th a second to travel. This is both a) Impossible for the human eye to see and b) Impossible to react to in time.

Moving on, you make a huge mistake with the mathematics. You assume that if you know the distance to Venus, you can find out the distance to the Sun. Like I said, we cannot know the distance to Venus because we cannot prove the speed of light. However, for argument's sake, let's say we know the distance to Venus.

We only know the distance to Venus. Your diagram shows a right triangle. What you are trying to show is that we can deduce the distance from the Earth to Sun (the hypotenuse) based on only one side of the triangle (Earth to Venus). We do not know the distance between Venus and the Sun (the other side of the triangle).

Thus, we cannot prove the Pythagorean theorem based on a lack of information.

a² + b² = c²

a being distance from Earth to Venus (assuming we know)
b being distance from Venus to Sun (we don't know)
c being distance from Sun to Earth (we don't know)

Please tell me how you can solve that equation by just knowing the value for "a".

We know the angle though.
t=the angle between the sun and the earth and the sun and venus.
the distance between the earth and venus=a
the distance between the sun and earth =h

a/cos(t)=h by using elementary trigonometry. SOH CAH TOA

and we solved for the speed of light

[Lisa H]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

We know the angle though.
t=the angle between the sun and the earth and the sun and venus.
the distance between the earth and venus=a
the distance between the sun and earth =h

a/cos(t)=h by using elementary trigonometry. SOH CAH TOA

and we solved for the speed of light

Blah Blah Blah. Do you really think God cares?