[Bible Student]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

magic of prophecy... oh wait... magic is witchcraft.. and witchcraft is bad.
Winter Solstice of Yule happens every year w/o fail. since the beginning of time (the time of the year the days are the shortest) so how is celebrating something that has been the same since the begging of time,

How do you know what happens "since the beginning of time?" Were you there?

[ncarroll]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I don't follow. What do you mean? It is well known that a Messiah was predicted to come. And Jesus Christ is that Messiah. There's nothing "magical" or illogical about it. Unless you wish to discuss Christianity from the point of view of an ignorant person.


No, what happens every year is that this period is the shortest time of the year. In that context, Jesus Christ came to us, exactly as was predicted. The pagans wished to thwart Jesus' coming by inventing their own festivities. In reality, they were fighting Christianity before it officially existed.

Just because they "were there first" does not mean that they own the holiday. That was reserved by our good Lord. So move over, Pagans!

well, i'm sure i could go into town and find someone that could "prophesise" what was gonna happen. but i'm sure that would be evil because it doesn't back up your beliefs... right?

[James Dewitt]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

in 46 BC the winter solstice was established in the Julian Calander as December 25, Since then, the difference between the calendar year (365.2500 days) and the tropical year (365.2422 days) moved the day associated with the actual astronomical solstice forward approximately three days every four centuries. The Winter Solstice still changes every 3000 years or so because of the inexact days of the calanders. but as of 2010 i believe it is Dec. 22.

Dec 22 is not the Birthday of Jesus. At the beginning of time the arrival of the Messiah was foreseen as Dec 25. Now why have you not answered my other questions
1 Why have you derailed this thread
2 Why do you hate Jesus so much that you deny Him a birthday?
3 Are you a False Christian or just another God Mocker hell bent on our destruction?
4. Do you like to make Jesus cry?

[ncarroll]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Dec 22 is not the Birthday of Jesus. At the beginning of time the arrival of the Messiah was foreseen as Dec 25. Now why have you not answered my other questions
1 Why have you derailed this thread
2 Why do you hate Jesus so much that you deny Him a birthday?
3 Are you a False Christian or just another God Mocker hell bent on our destruction?
4. Do you like to make Jesus cry?

Dec. 22 has as much chance as Dec. 25, but that's not really important. just because something doesn't happen on a set day doesn't mean you cannot celebrate on that day, my point was that the holiday of christmas/Winter Solstice of Yule wasn't hijacked and mocked by pagans.

i did not mean to derail the thread, for that i'm sorry, just wanted to point out something that i thought should be.

i don't hate jesus at all, i am a church raised individual with a number of close family members still very religious.

i am not a false christian, i don't claim to be a christian at all, so hard to be a false one and i'm not a god mocker. i believe one as the individual right to live and worship how they believe is correct as long as they don't infringe on another's rights. and if i made someone believe i was trying to mock or i was "hell bent on their destruction" then i would like to apologize.

and i don't like to make anyone cry... which is why i try to be nice to everyone i meet, regardless of their devotion/ethnicity/orientation.

[GOD=life]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

well, i'm sure i could go into town and find someone that could "prophesise" what was gonna happen. but i'm sure that would be evil because it doesn't back up your beliefs... right?

If that person made an accurate prediction and it came true, then people would take him very seriously, regardless of whether his intent was malicious and/or guided by Satan.

The Pagans must have known there was merit to the prophecies, otherwise they wouldn't have been so frantic about pursuing a "poisoning the well" tactic. They knew that once the Messiah came down on us, everyone would recognize them for what they are. A sham religion.

Why won't you let Jesus hold you? He won't bite, I promise.

[TheFlash]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

You want me to fold a piece of paper, told it towards the sun then look at venus and write it down on the folded piece of paper? What the hell kind of drugs are you on?

No. I want you to put a pencil mark on a piece of paper to represent the spot where you stand. then, holding the paper still, draw a line towards the sun. then starting from the "me" point again draw a line towards venus still holding the paper still. if you divide the distance from here to venus (as determined by bouncing radar off venus) by the cosine of that angle value in degrees, you get the distance to the sun.
Diagram:

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=400

[ncarroll]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

for the first 18 years of my life, i was in church at least 3-4 hours a week, and memorizing verses from the bible. but as i grew older, it just did not feel that it was where i belonged. not to devalue the devotion and commitment to everyone on here. but it wasn't just for me, and i am happy for the people that finds religion and it fills a void in their life, enriching it for them.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

for the first 18 years of my life, i was in church at least 3-4 hours a week, and memorizing verses from the bible. but as i grew older, it just did not feel that it was where i belonged. not to devalue the devotion and commitment to everyone on here. but it wasn't just for me, and i am happy for the people that finds religion and it fills a void in their life, enriching it for them.

How do you know that it wasn't just teenage angst (you were/are only 18). Or how do you know that God wasn't leading you out of a false church only to bring you here in order to find his True Holy Word(c)?

I'm assuming that you were only memorizing the verses that you were given by your Priest/Pastor. Have you ever sat down and read the entire Bible cover to cover? That's what lead me away from the false churches. When a Pastor gets so frustrated with you that he tells you that reading the entire Book without guidance from him is a Sin, you know you're in the wrong church.

I am so grateful that I found Fundamental Baptists that actually encourage reading and understanding the entire Bible. I pray that you will follow this as well.

[ncarroll]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

i have read a large part of it without it being guided reading, and i still will from time to time pick up a bible and open it to a random spot and start reading to see if something jumps out to me. after 18 years of very rarely missing any church, it's still with me, i still find myself praying in really difficult times, without realizing that i am praying till i am done.

[James Dewitt]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

No. I want you to put a pencil mark on a piece of paper to represent the spot where you stand. then, holding the paper still, draw a line towards the sun. then starting from the "me" point again draw a line towards venus still holding the paper still. if you divide the distance from here to venus (as determined by bouncing radar off venus) by the cosine of that angle value in degrees, you get the distance to the sun.
Diagram:
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=400

OK I have the paper, I put a dot on it I looked at the sun and drew a line, ran out of paper went out the door and walked until I hit the water, STOPED due to the fact that ONLY Jesus can walk on water. I then realised that you thought you where the sun "me" and gave up due to the fact that you are an idiot. By the way it was 78.F out side, lovely day in Key West. That however does not change the fact that you are an idiot and who the hell is Venus? She sounds like a nigra stripper or a damn cross dressing Homersexural.

[TheFlash]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Dude, you're only supposed to draw it a few inches in the direction of the sun and venus. You are just making an angle to work with, an abstract idea to apply to a problem. And Venus is a planet. Its the very light orange, very bright object that moves (comparatively) quickly across the sky over the course of a night. I know public schooling isn't highly embraced here, but drawing an angle is 5th grade stuff that I would consider essential to functioning in our society.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

No. I want you to put a pencil mark on a piece of paper to represent the spot where you stand. then, holding the paper still, draw a line towards the sun. then starting from the "me" point again draw a line towards venus still holding the paper still. if you divide the distance from here to venus (as determined by bouncing radar off venus) by the cosine of that angle value in degrees, you get the distance to the sun.
Diagram:
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/que...php?number=400

If you look at the diagram, there's an obvious error:



What if the distance of the Sun was moved closer or father (directly up or down on the chart). The angle "e" would not change. See that line "a". Move the Sun up and down on that line. "e" will not change.

Like I said, to prove the distance you need the Pythagorean theorem but you only know the distance of one variable (Earth to Venus) and not Venus to Sun, and therefore cannot deduce Sun to Earth (hypotenuse).

[Stella LaForte]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

No, you were making the point that it disproved God's existence.

But, I thank you for coming up with an original response for once.

I wasn't making the point that circular logic disproved God's existence, actually.

To quote myself: "How do you know God exists? Because the Bible says so. How do you know the Bible is true? Because the Bible is infallible. How do you know the Bible is infallible? Because it is God's word. And thusly, the circle opens once more, an endless cycle with no beginning. That is the logic of Christianity, and you straight-up admitted it. Such closed units are logically fallacious, for the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises - in this instance, all of them."

And for once? Hardly for once, you'll find.

[TheFlash]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

If you look at the diagram, there's an obvious error:



What if the distance of the Sun was moved closer or father (directly up or down on the chart). The angle "e" would not change. See that line "a". Move the Sun up and down on that line. "e" will not change.

Like I said, to prove the distance you need the Pythagorean theorem but you only know the distance of one variable (Earth to Venus) and not Venus to Sun, and therefore cannot deduce Sun to Earth (hypotenuse).

If you change the length of the hypotenuse without changing anything else, then the triangle becomes not a right triangle and the pythagorean theorem is not applicable. We are only using the case when Sun to venus to earth gives you a right angle. We could also use the case when venus to sun to earth gives you a right angle.

Here is my work to calculate how far the sun is from the earth knowing only the angle from sun to earth to venus, and the distance from earth to venus at the position of greatest elongation.

Identity: cos(x)=a/h for a right triangle.

[James Dewitt]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I wasn't making the point that circular logic disproved God's existence, actually.

To quote myself: "How do you know God exists? Because the Bible says so. How do you know the Bible is true? Because the Bible is infallible. How do you know the Bible is infallible? Because it is God's word. And thusly, the circle opens once more, an endless cycle with no beginning. That is the logic of Christianity, and you straight-up admitted it. Such closed units are logically fallacious, for the proposition to be proved is assumed implicitly or explicitly in one of the premises - in this instance, all of them."

And for once? Hardly for once, you'll find.

I am sorry, we are forced to ignore this post due to the fact that you have been are are a plagiarist.