[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

That's got to be some of the most Bullcrap I've seen posted, anywhere... LOL

I give hard facts and figures, and the best you can do is to dismiss it out of hand as "Bullcrap", with no attempt to refute it. You must be one of those rational atheists we keep hearing so much about.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Reuzegom]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Yes same altitude, and about 500miles away from me;
(let's say he is at least 500 miles away, can be 504.12 as well :s)

And since the sun is right above me, (i know that because there is no shade), the angle must be 90° if the altitude is the same, and that is,
so the distance must be about 780 miles, or am I missing something?

[flowlife]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

So according to your calculations, if I am on the Mt. Everest at aprox 9km above the earth's surface then:

d = 782.1 km

782.1 = (5039.1 - X)/6
X = 341°K is aprox 68°C which is 154°F

Now, how can there be snow on the Mt Everest?

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

And since the sun is right above me, (i know that because there is no shade), the angle must be 90°

Wait, hold on a minute. The sun was right above you an hour ago, and now you're telling me it's STILL right above you? How is that possible? Are you strapped to the back of a rocket or something, or are you not being truthful as to where you are in relation to the sun?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

So according to your calculations, if I am on the Mt. Everest at aprox 9km above the earth's surface then:

d = 782.1 km

782.1 = (5039.1 - X)/6
X = 341°K is aprox 68°C which is 154°F

Now, how can there be snow on the Mt Everest?

Please read the whole thread. We've already covered why it's cold on top of mountains.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Reuzegom]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

at some point the sun was right above me, since there was no shade, so at that point, the angle was 90°
not now of course, now the angle should be about 92° i guess

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Ok i did a little bit of reading of my old notes how to measure distance between the earth ans the sun and following came up:

Using the Parallex method. I will explain it in detail and hope for a fruitfull discussion. Please do not be offended my the math i use, i do not intend to insult or anger anyone, if i do i ask for understanding and offer my excuses.

1: We will use the venus and the sun.

From the representation of the orbit of Venus, it is clear that there are two places where the Sun-Venus-Earth angle is 90 degrees. At these points, the line joining Earth and Venus will be a tangent to the orbit of Venus. These two points indicate the greatest elongation of Venus and is the farthest that Venus will get away from the Sun in the sky. Another way to understand this is to look at the motion of Venus in the sky relative to the Sun: as Venus orbits the Sun, it gets further away from the Sun in the sky, reaches a maximum separation from the Sun (corresponding to the greatest elongation) and then starts going towards the Sun again.


To measure the distance From earth to Venus now we just need to observe the Planet Venus from earth from 2 different, far apart locations.

If de know de (distance of observers on earth) and we find the angle "a" that is made at observer 2, we use simple trigonometry to find dv, the distance to venus.

Now back at the 1st diagram we measure the angle from venus-earth-sun labeled "e" when Venus is at the right angle constilation. Using trigonometry again we can find the distance to the sun.

Anyway, the relevant numbers are:
Earth-Sun distance, d = roughly 150 million km (defined as 1 Astronomical Unit)
Radius of the Sun, Rsun = roughly 700,000 km
Orbital speed of Earth, v = roughly 30 km/s






I don't have a telescope or a partner to perform this experiment and it is snowing so i won't see the sky. But please tell me what you think of this experimental setup. Thank you

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

at some point the sun was right above me, since there was no shade, so at that point, the angle was 90°
not now of course, now the angle should be about 92° i guess

Our web administrator has just informed me that you are in Belgium, not Easter Island, so not only is the sun NEVER directly overhead where you are, it was nighttime when you claimed that it was. I don't know what you were trying to pull but it's over.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

I don't have a telescope or a partner to perform this experiment and it is snowing so i won't see the sky. But please tell me what you think of this experimental setup. Thank you

I have to go and get ready for Sunday evening church service now, but I'll take a look at it later this evening.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Anyway, the relevant numbers are:
Earth-Sun distance, d = roughly 150 million km (defined as 1 Astronomical Unit)
Radius of the Sun, Rsun = roughly 700,000 km
Orbital speed of Earth, v = roughly 30 km/s

I see what you did there, you assumed the distance to the sun and then you went around making up figures for Venus and arrived back at the distance to the sun.

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

To Pastor Billy-Reuben, Have a wonderfull day and i hope you find a minute or two to look at my experimental setup.

To Ezekiel Bathfire, If you have nothing intelligent to say, not even to attempt to disprove me with my own methods, please refrain from being so vulgar. However if you take a friend, 2 telescopes, repeat the experiment and show me data that suggest that the sun is 600 km from the earth, I will listen to every word you have to say, than i will do that same experiment to see if maybe you are right all along.

[John Scopes]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

Excellent diagrams and text deleted for brevity

As I have advised others coming into this place, I will provide you with the same courtesy.

You are pissing into the wind.

There are a very few here who possess a modicum of scientific knowledge, unfortunately they also are confused as to how the universe has truly evolved. Your efforts are laudable, but be advised you might be better off on such intellectually enlightened sites such as redstate.com or stormfront.org. They are light-years ahead of this site as they can breath through their mouths.

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

So you are saying that everyone who is "good" on this forum failed their math tests since grade 1 or never was at school? Come on we live in the 21st century and you need basuc math. You have calculators so that's all you need to "count". Also you should have a vague idea of what cos, sin and tan are. If not Wikipedia has some great literature on it.

You can't tell me that you never wondered how the gears in a car run or how an airplane stays in the air? Show some curiosity. Do you know how complex your circulatory system is? Why not show the LORD some respect and try to learn the TRUE wonders of what he has created. He gave us su much greatness to explore. Where in the bible does it tell us to be dumb and uneducated and stupid and die under a fence. Educate yourself, use that knowledge that god gave us, hidden in many puzzles that physics, math and chemistry have since uncovered.

Enjoy the world.



What if god asks for a math test if you want to enter heaven. (NOW don't blame me for this, but do you truly know what comes to you in heaven? Be prepared for everything, it can't hurt to know math.)

[Reuzegom]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

as i told, at some point, the sun was right above me,

If you wish not to believe that, then, if my back towards the sun, me facing the friend that is about 500miles away (504.12 i guess); the angle would be more than 90° (but still less than 180, else the sun would be below us)

Thus, the formula now is:

A² = B² + C² - B * C * cos (angle)

Since the angle is between 90 and 180°, that makes its cos negative.
So in fact the distance should even be bigger.

If we assume the angle was 90° once, then, the dinstanec would have been about 1250km

In your formula to calculate the temperature at my friends place;
1250 = (5039.5 - x) / 6
7500 = 5039.5 - x

x = - 2461.5K

How much is that in °C, because i have no idea if that is cold or not

[MarkHenry]

Re: The Sun: Millions of miles away?

sorry for grammar: Basic and so are the words i misspelled. sorry
Also to the post above me,

Temperatures:

0°K = -273°C

It cannot be colder than 0°K, look up wiki for explanation as i need sleep now