[Youth Minister Harry]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

Organizations created by blacks for blacks are not obligated to change their names in response to changing trends in political correctness.

If the word "Negro" is so bad, why would those people be using it? I don't hear them complaining. By your logic, Christians should call themselves retards because other people call Christians retards... and it would be FINE for us to use that word, but no one else.

I just know in my heart that racism is wrong. Don't you?

I just know in my heart that the only thing that matters is what's in the KJV 1611, and if you can't point out the verse, then your opinion is just the opinion of a fool who ignores God's Word. If YOUR heart was in line with God's Word, you wouldn't be so confused.

Then I have to ask why is God's standard of morality so much lower than my own?

God's Word defines morality, not your silly little imagination. You are neither qualified nor equipped to create or define morality. That job is reserved for the King of Kings, and he has already laid out the definition of Morality and given that definition a name. It's called The Holy Bible.

It's clear your parents didn't instill any of discipline or morality in you or you would have already known these things. Perhaps you just need a good One-On-One Bible Discipline Retreat Session to learn more about morality and discipline. Are you free mid-February? Also, how tall are you?

I'm praying hard for you right now. So very very hard.

Glistening In The Warm Blood of Christ,
Harry Lester

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

Then I have to ask why is God's standard of morality so much lower than my own?

Because the Bible says that if God's morality seems wrong to you, it isn't. You're the one who is wrong. He's God. He made you.

Isaiah 55:8-9For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

Then I have to ask why is God's standard of morality so much lower than my own?

I think this was the source of the infraction for daring to call God immoral.

Because the Bible says that if God's morality seems wrong to you, it isn't. You're the one who is wrong. He's God. He made you.

You see, I don't believe God exists. If God exists, there is still the question of what form he takes. If the liberal Christians are right, then most of my values are right and there is a reasonable chance that God would be forgiving of my disbelief. If you are right then I literally don't have a snowball's chance in Hell. In that unlikely event, I would have to believe God was immoral for tolerating racism, sexism, homophobia and willful ignorance of the nature of the Universe. But for now I don't believe God is immoral at all because I don't believe God exists.

The sign-off below is not of my doing but it does take on new meaning when I see how your church deals with people who have mental as well as physical handicaps.

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

Every Christian Denomination believes that the others are false Christians. Do you believe that the wine Jesus and his disciples drank was unfermented grape juice? Which of the two contradictory geneologies of Jesus do you believe?

Instead of speaking in circles, simply pose your questions. You've obviously googled something you feel is a "GOTCHA!" moment, so why not post the verse(s) and what you feel is the contradiction? Then we can correct you.

Which of the two contradictory geneologies of Jesus do you believe? The one in Mattew or the one in Luke?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

The use of the word "Negro" characterizes someone who is either out of touch or using the word as an affront to blacks who insist of the respect of political correctness. Organizations created by blacks for blacks are not obligated to change their names in response to changing trends in political correctness.

Tell me, my politically-correct friend, how do you respond to the following:

Some American Negroes are offended by being called "black", because, you see, they're more of a brown.

"African-American" is only accurately applied to black Americans who identify as being of African descent. I knew a Jamaican woman who found the term horrendously offensive.

Of course, a Kenyan would not be an African-American, as he is not an American.

What of a white person from South Africa, who is now an American citizen? Should he not be called an African-American? How about a refugee from Libya, in northern Africa?

I have yet to meet a black person who would not be offended by being referred to as "a black", as you have done above. There is a difference between "a black person" and "a black". I'm personally offended that you seem to consider our Negro brethren to be somehow other than 'people'.

Not going there. I just know in my heart that racism is wrong. Don't you?

I don't know anything in my heart. It pumps blood, Sparky. (I thought you atheists always came back with that line.)

I know what Jesus said:

25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

The woman begs. Even so, Jesus doesn’t really care what she has to say:

26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

So, the people of Canaan (or the Greeks, if you’re reading Mark) are “dogs”. That makes her a dog-woman! And it must be true, because Jesus Himself said so!


Does it sound to you as though Jesus is saying that she’s a human-animal hybrid? Or is “dogs” an ethnic slur?

27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.

She debases herself, calling herself a dog and accepting the insult, hoping desperately to get help.

Then I have to ask why is God's standard of morality so much lower than my own?

It isn't. Yours is erroneous, and you have exalted your humanist/hedonist 'values' above God's Will.

Which of the two contradictory geneologies of Jesus do you believe? The one in Mattew or the one in Luke?

I was just reading a good explanation of that a few days ago.

“Anything else on that paper of yours, Mark, or may we continue?” Shirlee’s glare suggested the rest of the paper would best be blank.

“Actually, yes. I wrote out those genealogies, you know, from Matthew 1 and Luke 3. Which one did you say was more accurate?”

“As I said earlier, Mark, the Word of God is inerrant.”

“Then how do you explain them being different? The entire list from David to Joseph is different. They diverge all the way back at the first generation after David — Matthew says ‘Solomon’, and Luke says ‘Nathan’.”

“That’s been explained as a ‘levirate marriage’, Mark. When a man died, his brother (or another male relative) was expected to marry his widow and father children with her. Africanus explained it in the 3rd Century, using some records not found in the Bible but kept by the ‘Desposyni‘, relatives of Jesus.”

Mark was unconvinced. “So instead of any official records, this Africanus relied upon the records created by Jesus’ own relatives, after the fact, when they were leaders of the early Christian Church and had a vested interest in proving his descent from David?”

“Exactly! I’m glad you understand.”

So there you go. It's pretty simple, really. There are other explanations besides Africanus' explanation, suggesting some of the differences have to do with legal fatherhood vs. biological fatherhood; in other words, the biological father dies, and then the son is deemed the legal son of the adoptive father.

I hope this helps you on your walk with Jesus.

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

The use of the word "Negro" characterizes someone who is either out of touch or using the word as an affront to blacks who insist of the respect of political correctness. Organizations created by blacks for blacks are not obligated to change their names in response to changing trends in political correctness.

Tell me, my politically-correct friend, how do you respond to the following:

Some American Negroes are offended by being called "black", because, you see, they're more of a brown.

Being politically correct is not easy. Sometimes it's downright silly. You have some excellent observations here. One standard of correctness does not cover all.

I personally don't agree with the term "black" to apply to all people of any degree of African descent formerly known as "Negroes." The one-drop rule claims that anyone with any degree of "black" blood is black. I don't agree with that either.

"African-American" is only accurately applied to black Americans who identify as being of African descent. I knew a Jamaican woman who found the term horrendously offensive.

And she probably doesn't want to be called "black" either. There is no politically correct term for her at the racial level.

Of course, a Kenyan would not be an African-American, as he is not an American.

But the child of a Kenyan and an American is African-American by most politically correct designations.

What of a white person from South Africa, who is now an American citizen? Should he not be called an African-American? How about a refugee from Libya, in northern Africa?

The term is geographically accurate in both cases but not politically correct. The term "African American" has become consensus terminology for Americans descended from black Africans.

I have yet to meet a black person who would not be offended by being referred to as "a black", as you have done above. There is a difference between "a black person" and "a black". I'm personally offended that you seem to consider our Negro brethren to be somehow other than 'people'.

I'll keep that in mind. Just because I am interracially married that does not make me automatically immune to giving offense.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

Not going there. I just know in my heart that racism is wrong. Don't you?

I confess I have felt pity for the lesser races on more than one occasion and wished they were just like us. I often notice traits in them that are just like the traits in more perfect humans and often in conversation with one of them it's easy to forget just who is God's chosen.

However, in moments of spiritual weakness like this it is my great strength that I can turn to the Bible, which reminds me of the great sin by Ham that afflicted the lesser negroids with servitude. Let's pause for a moment and reflect on this.

Genesis 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

This is totally disrespectful and shameful behaviour towards their father against God's commandments. Meanwhile his two brothers knew what was right and proper.

Genesis 9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

Obviously such a thing had to be punished and not just Ham but all his progeny forever and ever, Praise God!

Genesis 9:24-29

24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

28And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 29And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

So next time you are following your heart, remember that God put the unchanging and inerrant words in the Bible there for a reason, that we would not weaken and behave in ways that displease Him, no matter what wishy washy secularists do to undermine His wisdom. Praise God!

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

Not going there. I just know in my heart that racism is wrong. Don't you?

I confess I have felt pity for the lesser races on more than one occasion and wished they were just like us. I often notice traits in them that are just like the traits in more perfect humans and often in conversation with one of them it's easy to forget just who is God's chosen.

They are "just like us" except without the prejudice, or perhaps with a different set of prejudices. I was taught that the Jews were God's chosen people.

However, in moments of spiritual weakness like this it is my great strength that I can turn to the Bible, which reminds me of the great sin by Ham that afflicted the lesser negroids with servitude. Let's pause for a moment and reflect on this.

Odd that you consider leanings toward tolerance as spiritual weakness.

Genesis 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

This is totally disrespectful and shameful behaviour towards their father against God's commandments. Meanwhile his two brothers knew what was right and proper.

Big deal. It was an accident. Isn't Noah to blame for getting plastered and naked in the first place?

Genesis 9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

Obviously such a thing had to be punished and not just Ham but all his progeny forever and ever, Praise God!

Why? Forever? Seriously? Get real!!

Genesis 9:24-29

24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

28And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. 29And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

I thought y'all believed in a literal interpretation of the Bible. It says here that Noah cursed Canaan the son of Ham to be a servant to his brothers. It does not say that God endorsed the curse. It doesn't even mention successive generations (maybe that's elsewhere).

Who but a confirmed white supremacist could read into these passages the notion that God turned Ham black, dispatched him to Africa to father the black race and then gave Europeans permission to kidnap and enslave his descendants?

So next time you are following your heart, remember that God put the unchanging and inerrant words in the Bible there for a reason, that we would not weaken and behave in ways that displease Him, no matter what wishy washy secularists do to undermine His wisdom. Praise God!

Better my heart than your Bible. The Hebrews who wrote the Bible would have considered you a weird albino from an evil foreign land with strange futuristic ideas who had taken their ideas, edited them, butchered them, and interpreted them in bizarre ways.

Why doesn't the Bible just say Ham saw Noah drunk and naked, so Noah cursed him and God backed up the curse. Ham was black (or God turned him black) and sent him off to Africa to breed a continent of servants to be kidnapped and made to serve far from home.?

These verses are open to broad interpretation (see Wikipedia)

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

I just know in my heart that racism is wrong. Don't you?

I don't know anything in my heart. It pumps blood, Sparky. (I thought you atheists always came back with that line.)

You got me there. The reference to the heart is a figure of speech left over from a time when our knowledge of anatomy was truly primitive. The "heart" is actually in the brain which is not a cooling system for the body, which, I believe, Aristotle said.

Don't y'all love that new Avatar of mine? I thought I was going to have to figure one out for myself. I wish I looked that good or that athletic.

I am not black. As Charlie Chaplin said when a Nazi sympathizer asked him if he was a Jew "I'm sorry, I don't have the privilege." But y'all can feel free to think of me that way if you wish. You may have been mislead by my signature, which I intend to change from time to time. I think one day I'll try what Jesus said in another context "For ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

[davidbrainfart]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

Which of the two contradictory geneologies of Jesus do you believe? The one in Mattew or the one in Luke?

I was just reading a good explanation of that a few days ago.

“Anything else on that paper of yours, Mark, or may we continue?” Shirlee’s glare suggested the rest of the paper would best be blank.

“Actually, yes. I wrote out those genealogies, you know, from Matthew 1 and Luke 3. Which one did you say was more accurate?”

“As I said earlier, Mark, the Word of God is inerrant.”

“Then how do you explain them being different? The entire list from David to Joseph is different. They diverge all the way back at the first generation after David — Matthew says ‘Solomon’, and Luke says ‘Nathan’.”
“That’s been explained as a ‘levirate marriage’, Mark. When a man died, his brother (or another male relative) was expected to marry his widow and father children with her. Africanus explained it in the 3rd Century, using some records not found in the Bible but kept by the ‘Desposyni‘, relatives of Jesus.”

Mark was unconvinced. “So instead of any official records, this Africanus relied upon the records created by Jesus’ own relatives, after the fact, when they were leaders of the early Christian Church and had a vested interest in proving his descent from David?”
“Exactly! I’m glad you understand.”


So there you go. It's pretty simple, really. There are other explanations besides Africanus' explanation, suggesting some of the differences have to do with legal fatherhood vs. biological fatherhood; in other words, the biological father dies, and then the son is deemed the legal son of the adoptive father.

I hope this helps you on your walk with Jesus.

Another explanation I have read is that one geneology traced Jesus's descent through the father's line and the other through the mother's line. I'm sure there are other explanations, but the simplest explanation is often the right one, that they both just made up a geneology because they thought it was essential to a larger truth, not knowing anyone would look at their geneologies side by side.

I believe there are parts of the Bible that were meant to be taken literally and parts that were not. By bringing up the (apparently) contradictory geneologies I have forced you to acknowledge that there are some things in the Bible that cannot be taken literally--at least as it related to our own culture. In Biblical times writers did not have the same concern that the best journalists of today have for detailed accuracy. They were not above an occassional embellishment, such as attributing miracles to Christ which never actually happened.

To know what the Bible is really saying, we have to know something about the culture that prevailed when it was written. We also need to be aware of political considerations that have altered the meaning of the words between the time they were written and the time in which we read them, such as the politics around the King James Bible, translated and edited for the Church of England, which King Henry VIII founded so he could get a divorce.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

To cut to the chase: how are we supposed to pick the bits God really meant? Surely this sort of wishy washy thinking is the basis for all the strife and even for Catholics.

What you are advocating is that we should suddenly listen to our consciences and secular ideas when ever they contradict the Bible. That we should warp the word of God to suit our own human views.

What's to stop us gradually just making up our own morals, displeasing God because we get it wrong and ending up in Hell? This is what you are up to, agent of Satan.
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[kissie]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

That's the way it is supposed to be, blacks serving whites.

Dear Honorable White Highness,

this is a serious thing. Please know that something like me would looooooove to live according to "Genesis 9:24-27" 24/7.

Is there a way to volunteer and serve a White the way they were served in the good old days? Must however be on a STRICTLY NON-SEXUAL basis!

Tired of cleaning, cooking, serving three meals, washing, etc? Why not have something like me do it? It is absolutely clear that an arrangement like this may include working long days, having to gratefully appreciate all kind of humiliation, and even




and stuff alike. This is what something like me is ready to go through because of "Genesis 9:24-27"! Want to give it a try?

Most submissively,

kissie

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

Dear Honorable White Highness,

this is a serious thing. Please know that something like me would looooooove to live according to "Genesis 9:24-27" 24/7.

Is there a way to volunteer and serve a White the way they were served in the good old days? Must however be on a STRICTLY NON-SEXUAL basis!

Tired of cleaning, cooking, serving three meals, washing, etc? Why not have something like me do it? It is absolutely clear that an arrangement like this may include working long days, having to gratefully appreciate all kind of humiliation, and even




and stuff alike. This is what something like me is ready to go through because of "Genesis 9:24-27"! Want to give it a try?

Most submissively,

kissie

Dear nigress;

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

[kissie]

Re: Proof that the Negro was Designed to be a Servant Race

Dear nigress;

Please make a thread of your own in the "Introductions" section of the forum, so that we can properly greet you. Tell us about yourself, your church, and how you came to find Jesus.

And if you're here to flame us, better take a look at THIS before making an even bigger ass out of yourself.

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

Yes Massa.
Most submissively,
kissie