[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

3Then God sad, "Let there be light"; and there was light
That's marks the formation of the sun.

If that verse from the first day marks the formation of the sun, then what does this verse from the fourth day mark?
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

I also believe that God created all life, in the EXACT order in which it is written in the Bible. "grass, herb, fruit, living creatures in the waters, birds, and finally land creatures.

I believe the way he did this, is through evolution.

So you believe that flowering plants (fruit) evolved before there were insects to pollinate them?

God created the tiny mutations of DNA precisely so that new animals, and eventually humans, would come about in the exact order in which he wanted.

Do you also believe that God also created the tiny mutations that cause Tay-Sachs, cystic fibrosis, and Hodgkin's disease, or do you believe that God is only responsible for the "beneficial" mutations?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[stvncstr0]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

If that verse from the first day marks the formation of the sun, then what does this verse from the fourth day mark?
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

This is the creation of the moon, and the stars.
You have to realize that this book was written some time after the events actually happened. Even though God dictated this book, the imperfection of man could still have caused some points of indistinction, simply due to unspecific details.

So you believe that flowering plants (fruit) evolved before there were insects to pollinate them?

Plants rely on much more than insects for pollination. Wind, birds, etc.. Plus, with such a small population at the beginning, it shouldn't have have been very hard for them to reproduce through those means.

Do you also believe that God also created the tiny mutations that cause Tay-Sachs, cystic fibrosis, and Hodgkin's disease, or do you believe that God is only responsible for the "beneficial" mutations?

Yes, I believe that every living thing, including all beneficial and detrimental bacteria, all prey, and all predators, alike was created by God by this means.

[Wide-Open]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

This is the creation of the moon, and the stars.

Um, so does the moon rule the day, or do the stars rule the day?

It's not a sin to admit you were wrong, and I think you owe Pastor Billy-Reuben an apology.

You have to realize that this book was written some time after the events actually happened. Even though God dictated this book, the imperfection of man could still have caused some points of indistinction, simply due to unspecific details.

So our Lord wouldn't be powerful enough to make sure His Words are properly communicated to us. Friend, that's almost blasphemy!

[stvncstr0]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Um, so does the moon rule the day, or do the stars rule the day?

I apologize, I didn't make myself quite clear in my last post.
By the word, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also"
greater light = sun
lesser light = moon
stars = stars

So our Lord wouldn't be powerful enough to make sure His Words are properly communicated to us. Friend, that's almost blasphemy!

It's not that the Lord wasn't powerful enough to make sure His Words were properly communicated, but rather that any human would have been unable to comprehend the ultimate glory that the Lord conveyed to them. Obviously, the writers did a very great job transcribing what happened, otherwise we'd have no clue as to what happened at the dawn of time.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

I apologize, I didn't make myself quite clear in my last post.
By the word, "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also"
greater light = sun
lesser light = moon
stars = stars

So you are admitting that you were wrong about the sun being created on the first day. Thank you.

Obviously, the writers did a very great job transcribing what happened, otherwise we'd have no clue as to what happened at the dawn of time.

Obviously.

Plants rely on much more than insects for pollination. Wind, birds, etc.. Plus, with such a small population at the beginning, it shouldn't have have been very hard for them to reproduce through those means.

What day were the birds created on, again? Some flowering plants can be pollinated by the wind, but most require an insect to pollinate.

Also, you'll notice that the plants were created on Day 3, but the sun wasn't created until Day 4. Plants can survive for a day without sunlight, but they can't survive millions of years without it, so we know that Genesis is talking about literal 24 hour days.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[stvncstr0]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

What day were the birds created on, again? Some flowering plants can be pollinated by the wind, but most require an insect to pollinate.

There may also have been some self-pollinating plants. In fact this seems very likely. If the theory of God-directed evolution is true, where plants evolved from single-celled organisms, then it would be very likely that, like the single-celled organisms, they too were asexual organisms that could reproduce by themselves.
Even today, plants like peanuts, orchids, peas, sunflowers, and roses.

Also, you'll notice that the plants were created on Day 3, but the sun wasn't created until Day 4. Plants can survive for a day without sunlight, but they can't survive millions of years without it, so we know that Genesis is talking about literal 24 hour days.

Although the sun wasn't created until day 4, there was still light before the sun.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

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Although the sun wasn't created until day 4, there was still light before the sun.

And do not your own satanic scientists say that light is mere photons? And could not an all powerful God simply create photons on their own? After all, the Light of His Glory would help Him see what He was doing during Creation but it would be blinding to us, so He later created the sun, the moon and the stars just for us.

The Bible is pure wisdom to those who can see.

[stvncstr0]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

And do not your own satanic scientists say that light is mere photons? And could not an all powerful God simply create photons on their own? After all, the Light of His Glory would help Him see what He was doing during Creation but it would be blinding to us, so He later created the sun, the moon and the stars just for us.

The Bible is pure wisdom to those who can see.

I think you misunderstand my meaning, my point. My reason for mentioning the light was simply to explain why the plants could have existed in the first place.

However, to answer your questions: I know that God created photons. He created photons, protons, neutrons, electrons, perfectly, so that they could coexist in such a way that creates atoms. The fact that scientists have learned of them shouldn't discredit God in any way.

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This also reminds me of a very good way to prove to someone that God must exist. Scientists have made a list of many, many different constants (numbers that remain the same, forever) throughout the physical universe.
Example: speed of light; strength of gravity; weak force; strong force; electromagnetic force; lifetime of protons, electrons, and neutrons; avogadro's number; etc, etc, etc.
The thing is, they are set perfectly so that we could exist on Earth. The forces are so fine-tuned that stars, like the sun, can exist, and give us warmth. Gravity is at the exact strength that allows us to walk around on Earth without too much pressure, and without us floating away. The fact that ALL of these numbers are EXACTLY what they are is virtual proof that God set them that way on purpose.
So now, when someone asks for proof, one could say that it CAN'T be a coincidence that all these numbers "happen" to be what they are, without a greater degree of control.

If God wanted to change them, I have no doubt that he could.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

I think you misunderstand my meaning, my point. My reason for mentioning the light was simply to explain why the plants could have existed in the first place.

However, to answer your questions: I know that God created photons. He created photons, protons, neutrons, electrons, perfectly, so that they could coexist in such a way that creates atoms. The fact that scientists have learned of them shouldn't discredit God in any way.

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This also reminds me of a very good way to prove to someone that God must exist. Scientists have made a list of many, many different constants (numbers that remain the same, forever) throughout the physical universe.
Example: speed of light; strength of gravity; weak force; strong force; electromagnetic force; lifetime of protons, electrons, and neutrons; avogadro's number; etc, etc, etc.
The thing is, they are set perfectly so that we could exist on Earth. The forces are so fine-tuned that stars, like the sun, can exist, and give us warmth. Gravity is at the exact strength that allows us to walk around on Earth without too much pressure, and without us floating away. The fact that ALL of these numbers are EXACTLY what they are is virtual proof that God set them that way on purpose.
So now, when someone asks for proof, one could say that it CAN'T be a coincidence that all these numbers "happen" to be what they are, without a greater degree of control.

If God wanted to change them, I have no doubt that he could.

You have it completely backwards friend; if you fall in Satan's trap that these numbers are universal consistent it proves God doesn't exist. The speed of light shows the universe is over 13.4 billions years old and not 6,000 years old as God declares. No a Christian doesn't believe in magic so must reject this constant state materialist universe that somehow works without God. The fact that the universe appears 13 billion years is proof God exists because that appearance misleads people into damnation.

[Buford T Scoggins]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

That Thomas L Friedman dude, I don't know what to think of him. He supported President Bush's Godly mission to annihilate Iraq, but then he seems to believe in that global warming hoax. Well, he's a Joo-boy and works for The Joo York Times, so you know he's a commie. Buy anyway, even though he's way out there in left field, even he admits that The World is Flat.



If even them liberals are willing to admit that the world is flat (just as we conservatives have been saying all along), that ought to settle the issue.

yours in Christ,
Brother Buford

[Good Christian Woman]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

I always find such wonderful material for my children's homeschooling on this forum. Thanks for posting this; it'll be perfect for science class, and math as well!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Shout GLORY!!!

[AthiesticChristian]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Sorry, the reason bacteria don't "take over the world" is because, like in any other species, they compete for nutrients so those who don't get enough will die. Also, many bacteria will die because of climate change and other incalculable events so the real number of bacteria on the planet isn't something we can work out.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Sorry, the reason bacteria don't "take over the world" is because, like in any other species, they compete for nutrients so those who don't get enough will die. Also, many bacteria will die because of climate change and other incalculable events so the real number of bacteria on the planet isn't something we can work out.

That's silly. The reason bacteria don't take over is because the LORD created a perfectly balanced environment, just right for human habitation! You might want to look at the OP and do the math before you comment again, but don't feel bad. Lots of people make mistakes when they've been taught a lie. In the meantime, you are most welcome to introduce yourself HERE so we can greet you properly (and learn the meaning behind your username)! For your benefit, you can read this helpful guide for newcomers, and remember, if you want to share your opinion, kindly provide the scriptural support for it. Becauase your rights are important to us, you’ll find Landover Baptist Church Forum’s universal declaration of rights HERE.

[AthiesticChristian]

Re: Proof of a Young Earth

Can you provide me the evidence that is necessary to show that your theory of perfect creation and management is correct?