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  • #91
    Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

    Originally posted by Fnatic View Post
    "An omniscient omnipotent God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe. There's no way anything could happen that he didn't foresee, and the only way anything could happen differently is for him to create things in a different way. How do we have free will when every decision we make was decided for us before or at the same time as the universe was created?" - If GOD planned all this why does He need to judge people

    Please give me a strait answer, at no point in this argument i said or was said that GOD never existed I only stated that if GOD foresaw everything even the diferent sets of minds, why does he bother with judging people since he planned for those people to sin? Since it's Is fault for planning those people to sin, the people in question didn't sin because GOD, being the most powerfull force, forced those people to sin.

    Let me recap:

    GOD who created the world, foresaw and programed everything->people sin-> but GOD programmed those people to sin->who is at fault??
    Again

    It's the sinner's fault because God created them to damn themselves by their free will.

    Why is this so hard for you to understand?

    Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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    • #92
      Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

      Originally posted by Fnatic View Post

      GOD who created the world, foresaw and programed everything->people sin-> but GOD programmed those people to sin->who is at fault??
      You can't help being a sinful scum, Eve lost perfection and you can't inherit what no longer exists. But you can choose to go to Heaven or Hell. In His mercy, God offers a way for us to be redeemed anyway:


      For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
      John 3:16
      Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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      • #93
        Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

        But GOD programmed those people to sin they didn't had any other choice but to sin and since GOD was at fault here He doesn't have the right to judge.
        Its not my "dreadful unbelief" its just logic, wich I assume you have...
        Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

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        • #94
          Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

          Originally posted by Fnatic View Post
          But GOD programmed those people to sin they didn't had any other choice but to sin and since GOD was at fault here He doesn't have the right to judge.
          Its not my "dreadful unbelief" its just logic, wich I assume you have...
          God has the write to judge because God is perfect and has selfless love.

          Face it, everyone deserves to burn in hell forever for just existing. God's just doing what is right.

          Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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          • #95
            Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

            Originally posted by Fnatic View Post
            But GOD programmed those people to sin they didn't had any other choice but to sin and since GOD was at fault here He doesn't have the right to judge.
            Its not my "dreadful unbelief" its just logic, wich I assume you have...
            Reread the first part of Genesis. God didn't force Eve to do anything. If you have a problem with sin, take it up with her.
            Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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            • #96
              Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

              Originally posted by Fnatic View Post
              But GOD programmed those people to sin they didn't had any other choice but to sin and since GOD was at fault here He doesn't have the right to judge.
              Its not my "dreadful unbelief" its just logic, wich I assume you have...
              You're just going round in circles now.

              Look, what is so hard to believe? God made you as described. And here you are hating Him for it and arguing He doesn't make sense.
              Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
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              Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

              John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

              Join me in scoffing at backwards Muslims clinging to their beliefs in the face of the evidence!
              The truth about volcanos
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              • #97
                Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

                Originally posted by Bobby-Joe View Post
                Again

                It's the sinner's fault because God created them to damn themselves by their free will.

                Why is this so hard for you to understand?
                You are contradicting your self. If GOD created them(programmed them) to sin then you call that NOT HAVING FREE WILL since free will is for example:
                GOD creates a person but does not touch free will in other meaning a person is neutral and throughout they'r wole lifes, in a course that wasn't planned by the Lord, they become Good or Evil, thats the only way that GOD can judge them
                Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

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                • #98
                  Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

                  Originally posted by Fnatic View Post
                  You are contradicting your self. If GOD created them(programmed them) to sin then you call that NOT HAVING FREE WILL since free will is for example:
                  GOD creates a person but does not touch free will in other meaning a person is neutral and throughout they'r wole lifes, in a course that wasn't planned by the Lord, they become Good or Evil, thats the only way that GOD can judge them
                  No! You are playing semantics games which baffle you because you are trying to understand God.
                  Job 37:5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.

                  Job 26:14 "Behold, these are the fringes of His ways; And how faint a word we hear of Him! But His mighty thunder, who can understand?"
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                  Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

                  John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

                  Join me in scoffing at backwards Muslims clinging to their beliefs in the face of the evidence!
                  The truth about volcanos
                  Sex and debauchery in public schools
                  Faith wins over science (explained for even the very stupid)
                  God Cures AIDS - GLORY!
                  Desert whale bones prove Great Flood once and for all.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

                    Originally posted by Redeemed Papist View Post
                    You're just going round in circles now.

                    Look, what is so hard to believe? God made you as described. And here you are hating Him for it and arguing He doesn't make sense.
                    Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
                    Maybe thats just the way he programmed me, to be in doubt, and since im in doubt, by your standards that makes me a sinner but im only a sinner because He programmed me to be one (do you get my logic, it all comes down to Him)
                    Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

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                    • #100
                      Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

                      Originally posted by Fnatic View Post
                      Maybe thats just the way he programmed me, to be in doubt, and since im in doubt, by your standards that makes me a sinner but im only a sinner because He programmed me to be one (do you get my logic, it all comes down to Him)
                      Find me something in the Bible that backs up your baseless assumptions about God, please. I'm particularly interested in the bit where he programmed you to sin and your every action.
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                      Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

                      John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

                      Join me in scoffing at backwards Muslims clinging to their beliefs in the face of the evidence!
                      The truth about volcanos
                      Sex and debauchery in public schools
                      Faith wins over science (explained for even the very stupid)
                      God Cures AIDS - GLORY!
                      Desert whale bones prove Great Flood once and for all.

                      Comment

                      • #101
                        Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

                        GOD is the most powerfull being in the Universe right? Then He is omniscient and omnipotent in other words God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe or when He created the universe He also foresaw everything to the end of time in other words He forged a path for the life by forging a path to life He saw or knew what every Human that existed or will exist did or will do (the omniscient part) and since He is omnipotent He has the power to change peoples free will to follow the path of life and in life since you can't get order without caos, GOD can change the free will of some people to commit caos there for GOD planned for all this, for the caos and the order and since He planned for that each individual isn't at fault.
                        Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

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                        • #102
                          Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

                          My brother in Christ, Redeemed Papist, can this one be saved? I wonder if he's just so deep in denial and delusion that God has hardened his heart like He did the pharaoh's. It makes me weep for his soul but he seems to not be able to comprehend even the simplest of concepts.

                          Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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                          • #103
                            Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

                            Originally posted by Fnatic View Post
                            GOD is the most powerfull being in the Universe right? Then He is omniscient and omnipotent in other words God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe or when He created the universe He also foresaw everything to the end of time in other words He forged a path for the life by forging a path to life He saw or knew what every Human that existed or will exist did or will do (the omniscient part) and since He is omnipotent He has the power to change peoples free will to follow the path of life and in life since you can't get order without caos, GOD can change the free will of some people to commit caos there for GOD planned for all this, for the caos and the order and since He planned for that each individual isn't at fault.
                            Yes, and so what?

                            How does that absolve your fault for being such a wicked sinner?

                            Quite trying to pass the blame on to our all powerful, all knowing, Creator and take some personal responsibility for your sins. God is perfect you know.

                            Here, let show you the Power of God(r) in action. Show me proof that God made you sin. I bet you can't because God made it that way.

                            That's what all powerful means.

                            Time to reclaim our FREEDOM from the “Mullah in Chief” and his growing activist voter hoards of socialists, communists, anti-Semites, anti-Christians, atheists, radical gays and lesbians, feminists, illegal immigrants, Muslims, anti-Anglo whites and others.

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                            • #104
                              Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

                              Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda View Post
                              My brother in Christ, Redeemed Papist, can this one be saved? I wonder if he's just so deep in denial and delusion that God has hardened his heart like He did the pharaoh's. It makes me weep for his soul but he seems to not be able to comprehend even the simplest of concepts.


                              Then explain it to me...how do you not know that it was GOD that manipulated you in to worshiping Him? Since in my argument GOD is omnipotent He can change people's free will and has I explained you can get order without caos, you just happen to be in the Order side.
                              Isaiah 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

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                              • #105
                                Re: Volcanos and Earthquakes - yet more proof God created the world for Man

                                Originally posted by Fnatic View Post
                                GOD is the most powerfull being in the Universe right? Then He is omniscient and omnipotent in other words God knew exactly what everything would do before he created the universe or when He created the universe He also foresaw everything to the end of time in other words He forged a path for the life by forging a path to life He saw or knew what every Human that existed or will exist did or will do (the omniscient part) and since He is omnipotent He has the power to change peoples free will to follow the path of life and in life since you can't get order without caos, GOD can change the free will of some people to commit caos there for GOD planned for all this, for the caos and the order and since He planned for that each individual isn't at fault.
                                Got any evidence for that or are you just making it up?
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                                Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

                                John 5:46,47 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

                                Join me in scoffing at backwards Muslims clinging to their beliefs in the face of the evidence!
                                The truth about volcanos
                                Sex and debauchery in public schools
                                Faith wins over science (explained for even the very stupid)
                                God Cures AIDS - GLORY!
                                Desert whale bones prove Great Flood once and for all.

                                Comment

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