[Pim Pendergast]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

No,it does matter to me if what I believe is true or not
I believe,but that doesn't make it true

Then you should be worried, because wicca's not true. As you said, just because you believe it doesn't make it true.

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

So it's OK if we campaign for a change in the law to be more like God's laws? Why thank you for your permission.

We'll be executing rebellious teenagers quick as a flash if you can persuade more of your dreadful atheist friends to back us.

I assume it says in the Bible that we should execute rebellious teenagers, otherwise, why would you want to.

Anyways, the question is, why are you letting dreadful atheists and man-made laws take precedence over following God's Bible?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

I assume it says in the Bible that we should execute rebellious teenagers, otherwise, why would you want to.

Anyways, the question is, why are you letting dreadful atheists and man-made laws take precedence over following God's Bible?

The Bible tells us to obey the secular law of the land. Did you learn nothing in church?

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;


YIC

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

The Bible tells us to obey the secular law of the land. Did you learn nothing in church?

YIC

Thank you, a quote of this would be helpful too.

Also, how exactly do you know which to follow? In this case, for example, secular law goes against what the Bible tells you to do(kill rebellious teens). However, the Bible tells us to follow secular law, which prohibits killing rebellious teens. So, how do we know which law of the Bible to follow?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Thank you, a quote of this would be helpful too.

Also, how exactly do you know which to follow? In this case, for example, secular law goes against what the Bible tells you to do(kill rebellious teens). However, the Bible tells us to follow secular law, which prohibits killing rebellious teens. So, how do we know which law of the Bible to follow?

If the secular law precludes killing homers then we should not kill them.

What bit does not make sense to you?

YIC

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

If the secular law precludes killing homers then we should not kill them.

What bit does not make sense to you?

YIC

Oh, I see. However, who makes the choice that this law(1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme takes precedence over any other law in the Bible?

For example, a law comes out stating that all people must believe in evolution. Would you then start believing in evolution to follow secular law or would you still believe in creationism?

This can apply to any scenario where secular law contradicts a law in the Bible.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Oh, I see. However, who makes the choice that this law(1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme takes precedence over any other law in the Bible?

For example, a law comes out stating that all people must believe in evolution. Would you then start believing in evolution to follow secular law or would you still believe in creationism?

This can apply to any scenario where secular law contradicts a law in the Bible.

That law would never be passed.

I don't see what point you are trying to make?

YIC

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Then you should be worried, because wicca's not true. As you said, just because you believe it doesn't make it true.

But that could be applied to you too

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

But that could be applied to you too

I don't get it. The Bible tells us God is real and it's thousands of years old.

Wicca was invented in the 1970s.

How can that apply to Christianity?

YIC

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

That law would never be passed.

I don't see what point you are trying to make?

YIC

Probably not. However, there are laws already in effect that contradict the Bible, for example, the law that prohibits people from killing homosexuals.

This contradicts the Bible's teachings to kill homosexuals, but the Bible also tells us that we must follow secular law.

So, how do we decide which law takes precedence over the other when the Bible tells us to follow all its laws?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Probably not. However, there are laws already in effect that contradict the Bible, for example, the law that prohibits people from killing homosexuals.

This contradicts the Bible's teachings to kill homosexuals, but the Bible also tells us that we must follow secular law.

So, how do we decide which law takes precedence over the other when the Bible tells us to follow all its laws?

A good Christian does not break the secular law.

I can't think of any other way of stating it.

YIC

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

A good Christian does not break the secular law.

I can't think of any other way of stating it.

YIC

Alright. So you have decided that the verse "1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme" takes precedence over other laws in the Bible.

Could you please quote the verses that states that you can decide this? Or verse stating specifically that you should follow this law in the Bible before the other laws in the Bible?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Alright. So you have decided that the verse "1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme" takes precedence over other laws in the Bible.

Could you please quote the verses that states that you can decide this? Or verse stating specifically that you should follow this law in the Bible before the other laws in the Bible?

To be honest you should be doing this yourself. But I hope you can see that Jesus bought you here for a reason: maybe you should listen to Him.

But I digress.

Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Romans 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1st Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1st Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1st Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
(Is it just me, or does the last line say we only follow the laws in order to shut up the "ignorant and foolish"?)

The bottom line is that if you beleive God created everything that includes (by definition) our leaders. If one is a Christian one believes God cannot make mistakes.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

YIC

[James Hutchins]

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Alright. So you have decided that the verse "1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme" takes precedence over other laws in the Bible.

Could you please quote the verses that states that you can decide this? Or verse stating specifically that you should follow this law in the Bible before the other laws in the Bible?

Read your Bible friend.
Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Romans 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

1st Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1st Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1st Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

I don't get it. The Bible tells us God is real and it's thousands of years old.

Wicca was invented in the 1970s.

How can that apply to Christianity?

YIC

No I meant
because you believe it doesn't make it true