[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

No I meant
because you believe it doesn't make it true

Correct.

It is not true because we believe it. It is true because it matches reality.

YIC

[James Hutchins]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

No I meant
because you believe it doesn't make it true

Of course just because Dr. Niles believes does not make it so. Because every sane person believes, certainly adds a extremely high level of credibility. Then you add to that the massive quantity of people who have been touched by Jesus and spoken with God, well, that pretty much cements it up.
The only proof you have is a colorized Glenda.

[Tool of satan]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

To be honest you should be doing this yourself. But I hope you can see that Jesus bought you here for a reason: maybe you should listen to Him.

But I digress.

Romans 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Romans 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Romans 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
Romans 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1st Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
1st Peter 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
1st Peter 2:15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
(Is it just me, or does the last line say we only follow the laws in order to shut up the "ignorant and foolish"?)

The bottom line is that if you beleive God created everything that includes (by definition) our leaders. If one is a Christian one believes God cannot make mistakes.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

YIC

I see. All power agrees with God. But clearly, it does not. For example, I noticed you all hate President Obama, the person in power in America, and attempt to discredit him. I mention this because there seems to be nothing about an exception for evil leaders, which would not make much sense anyway. Would this not be considered "resisting the power"?

Also, as many of you have said, the Bible tells us to follow all of it at all times.
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:4

However, when following the law telling you not to resist authority, you are technically disobeying the other laws in the Bible that go against authority. How exactly does this work out? Do we just ignore the other laws when the law to follow secular authority is being applied? And if so, would this not contradict the statement that the Bible tells us to follow all of its laws at all times?

PS: Not sure about the last line, it's kind of a far leap from following the law to silencing the ignorant.

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Correct.

It is not true because we believe it. It is true because it matches reality.

YIC

But it doesn't
There's a lot of prof that Great flood never happened

Of course just because Dr. Niles believes does not make it so. Because every sane person believes, certainly adds a extremely high level of credibility. Then you add to that the massive quantity of people who have been touched by Jesus and spoken with God, well, that pretty much cements it up.
The only proof you have is a colorized Glenda.

The nazi and Germans believed that they
would win in World War II
We all know how that turn out to be

[James Hutchins]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

The nazi and Germans believed that they
would win in World War II
We all know how that turn out to be

So you are telling me that the nazis and Germans are also wiccas? Do they know?

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

So you are telling me that the nazis and Germans are also wiccas? Do they know?

No
How did you came with this?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

How do you know that?

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The Bible tells us so. We're going round in circles now. This is pointless. I think you're deliberately not understanding the simple Truth(r) of God because you are trying to make us angry with you.

[James Hutchins]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

No
How did you came with this?

You just made the wild and bizarre claim. Tell me Anna, are you drinking your 'magic potions' again?

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

The Bible tells us so. We're going round in circles now. This is pointless. I think you're deliberately not understanding the simple Truth® of God because you are trying to make us angry with you.

So Bible tells you that Bible is true
That is circular reasoning
Book is true because the same book tells you that
Here quote from link

Academic Douglas Walton used the following example of a fallacious circular argument:
Wellington is in New Zealand
Therefore, Wellington is in New Zealand."

He notes that, although the argument is deductively valid, it cannot prove that Wellington is in New Zealand because it contains no evidence that is distinct from the conclusion. The context – that of an argument – means that the proposition does not meet the requirement of proving the statement, thus it is a fallacy. He proposes that the context of a dialogue determines whether a circular argument is fallacious: if it forms part of an argument, then it is Citing Cederblom and Paulsen 1986:109) Hugh G. Gauch observes that non-logical facts can be difficult to capture formally:

Whatever is less dense than water will float, because whatever is less dense than water will float" sounds stupid, but
"Whatever is less dense than water will float, because such objects won't sink in water" might pass.

Circular reasoning is often of the form: "a is true because b is true; b is true because a is true." Circularity can be difficult to detect if it involves a longer chain of propositions.

You just made the wild and bizarre claim. Tell me Anna, are you drinking your 'magic potions' again?

You said

Of course just because Dr. Niles believes does not make it so. Because every sane person believes, certainly adds a extremely high level of credibility. Then you add to that the massive quantity of people who have been touched by Jesus and spoken with God, well, that pretty much cements it up.
The only proof you have is a colorized Glenda.

You said if many people believe in something
then it must be true
Then I said

The nazi and Germans believed that they
would win in World War II
We all know how that turn out to be

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

So Bible tells you that Bible is true
That is circular reasoning
Book is true because the same book tells you that

Where else would you expect it to say this? The Bible is not untrue just because you don't like the Bible standing up for itself.

I think you really are an atheist or you're trying to make up your own cult.

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Where else would you expect it to say this? The Bible is not untrue just because you don't like the Bible standing up for itself.

I think you really are an atheist or you're trying to make up your own cult.

One question
What’s so special about the Bible?
It isn't only holy book of a religion
like the Veda(of Brahmanism),the Tripitaka(of Buddhism)
the Zend-Avesta(of Zoroastrianism)
the writings of Confucianism(actually a philosophy)
and the Koran(of Islam)

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

One question
What’s so special about the Bible?
It isn't only holy book of a religion
like the Veda(of Brahmanism),the Tripitaka(of Buddhism)
the Zend-Avesta(of Zoroastrianism)
the writings of Confucianism(actually a philosophy)
and the Koran(of Islam)

What kind of a question is that?

In which other book did Jesus make the ultimate temporary sacrifice so that He could save us from His righteous justice?

That's fundemental to Christianity.

YIC

[{Anna}]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

What kind of a question is that?

In which other book did Jesus make the ultimate temporary sacrifice so that He could save us from His righteous justice?

That's fundemental to Christianity.

YIC

Frist how do we know it for example
Bible and Koran
They bought say they are wright
and all others are wrong
There is a Jesus in Koran

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

One question
What’s so special about the Bible?

Uh... it's the word of God.

All the other things that purport to be the word of God are clearly wrong or they would be, word for word, the same as the Bible.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: PROOF: Noah's Ark Existed!

Frist how do we know it for example
Bible and Koran
They bought say they are wright
and all others are wrong
There is a Jesus in Koran

The Q'uran claims Jesus was just a no mark prophet. Christianity exists because Jesus is the Son of God: not just a prophet.

If Jesus were not the Son of God (and God) it would be wrong to worship Him (if he were not God).

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

YIC