[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

Honestly, why bother with these?

Not a great question to be-honest, why bother with anything?

Do you know how much these efforts would cost?

(approx)$120,000,000 for the Mars Rover Missions, but to me as well as your side of it, there's also another side which is that these missions are an incredible frontier for mankind, and the scientific benefits , which one would assume do not interest you personally, but it means a lot to a lot of people. Now im not going to say which is right or wrong. But why does this effect God in anyway, going to Mars doesn't mean there's no God? and to be-honest with passages like this in the bible why not, its literally telling us 'WHEN you SEEST!

''(Deuteronomy 4:19) "And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven."

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

It is used as a thought experiment! It cant be proven either way, does a tree make a noise if no one is around to hear it.

Of course it does. As we know, sound is made of 'sound waves'. They are created by the breaking of the fibers in the tree as it fails. They will be created whether there is someone there to hear them or not. What a silly example! Something dating from primitives who didn't know about sound waves, obviously.

I do not mock God at any stage in this debate. Why oh why would God give us a conscience mind in which to ponder such things if it wasnt meant to be used in such a fashion?

He commanded us to have faith in Him. He specifically said that all non-believers will be burned alive in His Lake of Fire for all time, for the sin of not believing.

Do you really thing God wants you to question Him?

Im an AGNOSTIC not and ATHEIST! I never say there is no God.

Neither do most atheists. I see you need an education on gnosticism and theism.

I'll use one of those anti-Christian "skeptic" sites, so you will be comfortable with it as a source.

Theism addresses the issue of belief. For any claim asserting the existence of a god, a theist is an individual who accepts (or positively believes) that the claim is true and an atheist (literally, "one without theism") is someone who does not.

Note that this doesn't mean that theists must accept any existence claim about any god. One can be a theist with respect to some claims and an atheist with respect to others. In particular, followers of one religion are typically atheists with respect to the gods of all other religions.

To be more precise about the issue of belief, consider the two possible claims one can make regarding the existence of a god:

1. The god exists.
2. The god does not exist.

There are two positions one can take with respect to either claim:

1. Belief or acceptance of the claim.
2. Disbelief or rejection of the claim.

For claim number 1 (the god exists), the theist takes the first position (belief), while the atheist takes the second (disbelief).
For claim number 2 (the god does not exist), the theist takes the second position (disbelief), while the atheist can hold either position (belief or disbelief).

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Gnosticism (in the general sense being discussed here) addresses the issue of what one knows or claims to know. For any claim regarding the existence of a god, a gnostic is an individual who claims knowledge that the assertion is true and an agnostic (literally, "one who lacks knowledge") is someone who makes no such claim.

Obviously, based on these definitions, the terms atheist and agnostic are not mutually exclusive. One can be an agnostic atheist, meaning someone who doesn't claim to know whether or not a god exists (agnostic) but doesn't find belief to be justified by evidence or argument (atheist). Other ways in which the terms agnostic, gnostic, atheist and theist can be combined are discussed below.

Typically, the gnostic's assertion of knowledge is esoteric and may well be attributed to divine revelation. In some cases, the gnostic will assert that the knowledge of a god's existence is available to anyone, although rarely through empirical, scientific evidence.

Many people assume that atheists believe that gods can be proved not to exist, but this isn't strictly true. In fact, there is no term commonly used to describe such an atheist, since their position would be even more extreme than strong atheism . . . According to our definitions, they would simply be called a gnostic atheist who happens to think that his or her belief can be proven.

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

Its Almost a premonition from God, its like he knew we were going to see them! and when we do, we are instructed to worship THEM! and serve THEM!

@Rev. M. Rodimer

Im not really that concerned which 'category' i fit in to be-honest. Feel free to place me in any you see fit and get back to me.

Do you really thing God wants you to question Him?

why give us that capability if its not to be used? i think im actually already aware of the Christian answer to that, and that is freewill. A very complex area, we could probably talk forever about freewill and even its existence. As we are learning more about how the human brain works and its interaction with both our senses and memory.

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

Also yes its easier to assume that it make the sounds, and im more than aware of the nature of sound itself and the energy exchange. But there is NO WAY of ever proving it makes the sound when nothing is there to hear it. Its our best fit model of reality! hence the thought experiment. It has grander meaning than its surface layer, it goes deeper metaphorically .

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

Do you really thing God wants you to question Him?

why give us that capability if its not to be used? i think im actually already aware of the Christian answer to that, and that is freewill. A very complex area, we could probably talk forever about freewill and even its existence. As we are learning more about how the human brain works and its interaction with both our senses and memory.

Yes, God gives us free will.

You have the ability to use your hands to strangle old ladies. Do you think God gave you that capability if it is not to be used?

You have the ability to use your penis to rape preteen boys or domesticated animals. Do you think God gave you that capability if it is not to be used?

We have free will. We can choose to believe in and obey God without question, or we can choose to spend eternity being burned alive in His Lake of Fire.

I know which I'm choosing. Which do you choose?

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

God may have given us such capabilities but he tells us these things are wrong! Rape, murder, gay sex ect...

He never says dont go into space and visit other planets does he? or do not observe the world at an atomic level? or not to visit hospital? or to gain knowledge of our reality?

''We have free will. We can choose to believe in and obey God without question, or we can choose to spend eternity being burned alive in His Lake of Fire.''

you will NEVER know you will only ever believe.

What if you have chosen the wrong God?! and when you pass to the next world you are greeted by another Religions God? and it is you whom is cast into their fiery abyss. I repeat..you will NEVER know you will only ever believe.

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

Anyway i feel we digress. You have clearly made up your mind and its not my intention to change it, just to reach out and discuss my own difficulties with the world and to hear your opinion on things.

Thanks for entertaining my queries and obliging my questions. Hope it served some purpose for you as it has for me.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

Anyway i feel we digress. You have clearly made up your mind and its not my intention to change it, just to reach out and discuss my own difficulties with the world and to hear your opinion on things.

Thanks for entertaining my queries and obliging my questions. Hope it served some purpose for you as it has for me.

Oh stop whining and get with Jesus. If there was ever a kid short of a good whack with the rod from his daddy it's you. God gives you a perfect world but no! That's not good enough. It's all dreaming that tables could fly and stars and galaxies and billions of years...

Now start praising God for stuff like giving us all a second chance by leaving Noah and his family alive on the ark with all the animals. It's the least you can do.

[ilovethesatanicscience]

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Noahs Ark, really thats your angle! why didnt the lion eat the Zebra? or the millions of species of Spiders eat the flies? and what about the fish, they must of been loving it! and it must have been crowded on an Ark with approximately 8.7 million species onboard!

Yeah beat some sense into children, thats the solution. !?

[Alphonse Alban]

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Noahs Ark, really thats your angle! why didnt the lion eat the Zebra?

God created zebra. God created lion. What is more complicated, create everything out of thin air or make lion not to eat zebra for few days?

Checkmate! Jesus wins again!

[ilovethesatanicscience]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

40 days of not eating!?? and 8.3 million animals on an Ark with the measurements 300 cubits long, 50 wide, and 30 high..... Riiiiiiiiiight??

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Curiosity Mars "landing" BIGGEST NASA HOAX EVER!!!

God may have given us such capabilities but he tells us these things are wrong! Rape, murder, gay sex ect...

So you agree that all morality comes from God, and that rape, murder, and gay sex are all equally evil sins. Good!

But you're an atheist. Why don't you rape, murder, and have gay sex?

''We have free will. We can choose to believe in and obey God without question, or we can choose to spend eternity being burned alive in His Lake of Fire.''

you will NEVER know you will only ever believe.

That's the point of faith.

Knowledge precludes faith. You can't believe in something if you have undeniable proof.

Noahs Ark, really thats your angle! why didnt the lion eat the Zebra? or the millions of species of Spiders eat the flies? and what about the fish, they must of been loving it! and it must have been crowded on an Ark with approximately 8.7 million species onboard!

Yeah beat some sense into children, thats the solution. !?

Please show me where the Bible says anything about "species". It references "kinds" of animals.

A "kind" might mean, for example, "feline". So instead of a puma, a cheetah, a leopard, a mountain lion, a cougar, and a housecat, Noah could have just brought the housecat on board.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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40 days of not eating!?? and 8.3 million animals on an Ark with the measurements 300 cubits long, 50 wide, and 30 high..... Riiiiiiiiiight??

Listen maggot: Thru Jesus, ALL things are possible. He can move mountains, make donkeys and snakes talk, raise the dead, and walk on water. The details of Noah's Ark would be childsplay.

And understand, this is NOT a debate forum. We're right and you're wrong, according to Jesus and the Holy Word of God. Please read THIS thread before making an even bigger fool of yourself.

Secondly, while the internets might seem to be "free" to you, this particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor immediately if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

Finally, your unsaved opinions or tantrums are not even slightly of interest to us. We follow the Holy Word of God TO THE LETTER, and make no apologies for that. One of the most important commandments in the Bible tells us to avoid unsaved scum such as yourself. You wandered in here uninvited, and unwelcome .

[John the Monkey Worshiper]

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If you look at the clip below you see that these NASA - "experts" are nothing more then homosexuals lusting after each other.

You have to be incredibly stupid if you don't understand why the flag is moving and why there seemed to be two light sources. They went to the moon and mars

[John the Monkey Worshiper]

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Obama has done it again. Throwing away billions and billions of hard earned American tax dollars on yet another NASA hoax. Obama immediately gave a speech after this hoax landing claiming, I am not kidding here, just click the link, that all this nonsense will "save taxpayer dollars". Spending money to save money, only a democrat can say something so idiotic. The Bible warns us for people like Obama: Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

Let's look at the facts here. NASA has openly admitted that it is incapable of putting people in space. According to NASA only the Russians are capable of manned space flight. No doubt a Russian hoax, but that's a different story.

And even though NASA has openly admitted they are incapable of putting humans in space they still haven't admitted to the Moon landing being a big hoax! As if it would be possible to bring someone to the Moon without putting them in space first.

Proof of the Moon landing hoax (you can clearly see the flag moving due to the wind, even though NASA claims there is no air on the Moon, and also the shadows are clearly caused by multiple light sources):


Fake image of Curiosity landing (even a child can see it is fake, and if it would be real, as NASA claims, then what or who made this picture...:


This image of someone's backyard is worth billions of tax dollars?


Yet more proof NASA is a bunch of liars, shadows from multiple dirctions:


Another one, the shadow shows the "Sun" is behind, yet the front the suit is clearly highlighted by a light source:

You have to be incredibly stupid if you don't understand why the flag is moving and why there seemed to be two light sources. Don't see how people can't accept they landed on the moon. Seriously there many things people pick at like the flag waving in space with no wind -.- if they tried to fake it in a studio why would they let a breeze in -.- people need to wake up instead of shouting conspiracy. They went to the moon and mars.