[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

And I am not going to bother with responding to Cranky old man since he really answers nothing and is just repeating things.

This makes me sad.

[True Disciple]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

You still acknowledge the worth though the same as Evolutionists acknowledge the worth of Monkeys.

No, we don't acknowledge Satans worth. We refuse to give him worth. This is because he is worthless, to us at least (maybe it's different to you, as you seem to like him). This is why we don't worship Satan, but you do worship monkeys.

We just don't see them as dangerous but judging by the definition of the word Worship as I described I am still correct in that Evolutionists do not WORSHIP monkeys, or the Devil.

What is dangerous? What are you trying to say here? Going yappity yap yap yappity is an offense at these forums, you know.

I am sorry to keep this going and hopefully THIS will be my last post lol, but no guarantees .
But this says I am "scathereth abroad" not that I am sided with the Devil. Think of the Trench Warfare of WWI, you had the Eastern front on one side and the Western on the other side, why can't Atheists be stuck in No Mans Land with both sides fighting for them?

You misunderstand this verse, friend. Jesus means here that whoever is not winning people for Christ and uniting them in True Christianity(tm), is actively destroying people's faith and bringing division between them.
And Jesus wasn't talking about WW1, He was talking about accepting or rejecting Him. The choice is between on Jesus' side, or to not be on Jesus side. If you choose to not be, you will go to Hell, whatever side you consider yourself to be on.
This aside from the fact that you probably wouldn't last a minute in no mans land in WW1, whatever your good intentions were.

But whatever your answer is with this I stick by the fact that the meaning of the word Worship proves that Athiest (or evolutionists for that matter) do not Worship Monkeys, or the Devil.

Your closed mindedness makes me sad. You openly admit that you have already made up your mind. This isn't very rational. I advise you to reconsider your position.

I fear you underestimate my stubbornness but I do thank you for answering my questions and giving me a better understanding of the Bible though. I enjoy learning of religions and what others believe and why which is why I am on these forums I suppose.

I'm always happy to teach people about True Christianity(tm). Note, however, that this might well be your God-given chance to attain Salvation(tm). Please don't throw it away. You're making Jesus sad with your atheist blasphemies.

And I am not going to bother with responding to Cranky old man since he really answers nothing and is just repeating things.

Cranky is a good man and a great True Christian(tm). The problem sometimes is that he, well, gets Cranky when people keep asking him silly questions. So please don't do that anymore. Thanks.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

No, we don't acknowledge Satans worth. We refuse to give him worth. This is because he is worthless, to us at least (maybe it's different to you, as you seem to like him). This is why we don't worship Satan, but you do worship monkeys.

1) You DO give Satan worth by avoiding everything about him, he changes your very lives, you can't eat skittles, watch many movies, or look at cucumbers anymore without thinking about how the Devil is trying to blind you from Jesus.
2) Again, just because you give something has some sort of worth does not mean that you worship them and I direct you back to my post where I defined the word Worship.

What is dangerous? What are you trying to say here? Going yappity yap yap yappity is an offense at these forums, you know.

Makes sense if you read the post it was referring to.

He was talking about accepting or rejecting Him. The choice is between on Jesus' side, or to not be on Jesus side. If you choose to not be, you will go to Hell, whatever side you consider yourself to be on.
This aside from the fact that you probably wouldn't last a minute in no mans land in WW1, whatever your good intentions were.

1) That just means that I will go to hell but does not prove at all that I worship Satan.
2) Probably true I wouldn't last a minute in no mans land, but it was an analogy after all and the point remains.

[True Disciple]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

1) You DO give Satan worth by avoiding everything about him, he changes your very lives, you can't eat skittles, watch many movies, or look at cucumbers anymore without thinking about how the Devil is trying to blind you from Jesus.

The point is, if we did those things, we would be giving him worth. Avoiding all those things is the only way not to worship Satan.

2) Again, just because you give something has some sort of worth does not mean that you worship them and I direct you back to my post where I defined the word Worship.

Brother Follower has already corrected you on this, friend.

Makes sense if you read the post it was referring to.

No, it doesn't. I never implied that atheists might view monkeys as dangerous. I only said that they worship them, which, as I tried to make clear, is different from avoiding something because it's more dangerous. In fact, that's the point I have proven to you several times by now. Thanks for conceding it.

1) That just means that I will go to hell but does not prove at all that I worship Satan.

Again, the only way to not worship Satan is avoiding every pleasure he tries to seduce you with. This includes sex, rock music, secular television, secular literature, idol worship, immodest clothing, lusting after people of the same gender, lusting after people of the other gender who are not your wife/husband, following other religions than True Christianity™, and so on.
But who wouldn't make those little sacrifices to earn a place in heaven?

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Lol, good one and way to avoid the question, let me help you from the dictionary.com definition of the word Worship...
–noun
1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5. (initial capital letter) British. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually prec. by Your, His, or Her).
–verb (used with object)
6. to render religious reverence and homage to.
7. to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).
–verb (used without object)
8. to render religious reverence and homage, as to a deity.
9. to attend services of divine worship.
10. to feel an adoring reverence or regard.

I am not going to go one by one but have read them all, but you can clearly see that none of them apply to what evolutionists feel towards monkeys or other apes. They are not Gods, we don't hold ceremonies to them, we don't adore them, nor do we pay homage to them.

Now let me include something "A follow" feels is dramatically important to the definition, and that is the history of the word."

"Origin:
bef. 900; (n.) ME wors©hipe, worthssipe, OE worthscipe, var. of weorthscipe; see WORTH, -SHIP; (v.) ME, deriv. of the n.
Worship comes from worth ship, giving something worth."

What a nice history lesson thank you for that "A follower" to bad it is pointless to it's meaning today now back to the definition to the word Worship.

–noun
1. reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2. formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3. adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4. the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5. (initial capital letter) British. a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually prec. by Your, His, or Her).
–verb (used with object)
6. to render religious reverence and homage to.
7. to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).
–verb (used without object)
8. to render religious reverence and homage, as to a deity.
9. to attend services of divine worship.
10. to feel an adoring reverence or regard.

I am not going to go one by one but have read them all, but you can clearly see that none of them apply to what evolutionists feel towards monkeys or other apes. They are not Gods, we don't hold ceremonies to them, we don't adore them, nor do we pay homage to them.

Now I have just given you a lot of things but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE review the comments on this thread from the beginning, and PLEASE tell me how I am wrong on THIS topic. Don't just throw insults, don't change the subject, don't bring up something that has already been settled, and don't sidestep the question I would (and so would your followers I am sure) really appreciate it. Just for once in your lives, admit that I am right about this, then maybe you can go over to the Are you and Atheist thread I posted a link to and also admit that I am correct over there too. Just remember I am the one that came here very nicely to begin with but was fought on everything I brought up to you simply because you don't like somebody disagreeing with and proving you wrong.

[True Disciple]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Now I have just given you a lot of things but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE review the comments on this thread from the beginning, and PLEASE tell me how I am wrong on THIS topic. Don't just throw insults, don't change the subject, don't bring up something that has already been settled, and don't sidestep the question I would (and so would your followers I am sure) really appreciate it. Just for once in your lives, admit that I am right about this, then maybe you can go over to the Are you and Atheist thread I posted a link to and also admit that I am correct over there too. Just remember I am the one that came here very nicely to begin with but was fought on everything I brought up to you simply because you don't like somebody disagreeing with and proving you wrong.

1. By saying monkeys did what in reality God did (creating man), I would definitely think you are rendering homage to them, and hold them in high regard, wouldn't you? A lot more than we do at least.
2. Even if that weren't true, modern dictionaries have been proven incorrect on numerous occasions. The word "Christian," for example, has been addled by atheist lexicographers.
3. About people being mean to you; you must understand that this is not a debate forum, but a place to worship (God, of course, not monkeys). I'm taking the time to rebuke you simply because I'm in a nice mood.
You came here trying to attack us in our faith. Should we say then: "Ah, well, yes, but he is doing it politely?" Of course not. We aren't coming to your monkey-worshipping forum either to rebuke your evilutionist religion. You're the one crashing in demanding attention, it's our choice what kind of attention we give you.
Have you thought about accepting Jesus yet?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Please read this first: http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...811#post458811. It is my answer to another question you asked.

I want to make sure you see that your assumption that we are sidestepping your questions is a wrong assumption.

Then please read this again:

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showpost.php?p=457816&postcount=809

I put some serious effort into answering your question and all I got for that from you was "he really answers nothing". Which made me very sad. That's not why I did all that effort.

simply because you don't like somebody disagreeing with and proving you wrong.

We are humans too, so I can imagine it might seem that way.

It is very possible I made a mistake in answering your question. Perhaps I somehow do not understand what you are trying to ask us. We do not claim to me perfect, we claim God is perfect. If you please would spend a little time on the answers I already wrote for you, which I honestly think answered your question, and then explain to me where I am going wrong I will try to answer your question again.

In my experience the shorter the question is, the bigger the chance of an accurate answer. Just like you assume we are sidestepping your questions, from my side it looks as if you are constantly changing the subject and are making it all about semantics. Communication can be tough but I am sure if we both really try this we will succeed. Now it's your turn.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

1. By saying monkeys did what in reality God did (creating man), I would definitely think you are rendering homage to them, and hold them in high regard, wouldn't you? A lot more than we do at least.
2. Even if that weren't true, modern dictionaries have been proven incorrect on numerous occasions. The word "Christian," for example, has been addled by atheist lexicographers.
3. About people being mean to you; you must understand that this is not a debate forum, but a place to worship (God, of course, not monkeys). I'm taking the time to rebuke you simply because I'm in a nice mood.
You came here trying to attack us in our faith. Should we say then: "Ah, well, yes, but he is doing it politely?" Of course not. We aren't coming to your monkey-worshipping forum either to rebuke your evilutionist religion. You're the one crashing in demanding attention, it's our choice what kind of attention we give you.
Have you thought about accepting Jesus yet?

1) No I don't hold them in high regard, I personally do not know enough about evolution to say I know 100% for sure that it is true (I know that you want to say something about it being proven that it's not but please refrain for once ). But I would say that evolutionists in general do not hold them in high regard, but instead just see it as something that happened over the course of millions of years and it happened to be apes that we evolved from.
2)I am sorry to say this but I don't think it's fair to simply throw out the dictionaries, if this were a discussion where the dictionary would prove me wrong then you would defend the heck out of it. (And don't try to deny it !)
3)Lol, it is pretty easy to mistake your nice mood with your bad mood it seems my friend. And I understand that this is not a debate forum nor do I wish to debate so much, but when I have a point about something I would like to make then I wish that you could simply say "Hey he has a point here" instead of just arguing it into the ground and turning it into a debate. (Where then I get infractions when nobody else does )
And no, I absolutely did not come here to attack your faith and would very much like an apology for the several remarks I have gotten about that because never once have I tried to disprove or attack anything about your religion. On this particular thread I was saying that your definition of an Atheist is wrong and I very much stand by it, not that your religion is wrong. I don't appreciate it when people say it to me and I certainly do not say it to others.

And lastly, no, I am sorry my friend but I have not accepted Jesus. (And you don't need to remind me about the hell thing, I know your stance very very well on that and don't need a constant reminder)

And I ask you, after everything that was said in this thread including what is in this post, what makes you think you are still so right about Atheists worshiping the Devil, or Monkeys?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

what makes you think you are still so right about Atheists worshiping the Devil, or Monkeys?

I have been reading some things over and over again and perhaps I figured out what is going wrong here.

Since you mention not being sure about the evolution thing, perhaps we have to admit you might be right on the monkeys. In our experience most atheists believe in evolution, but perhaps you are an exception to that rule.

As to Satan. He is a very sneaky guy. He can make it so that you are worshiping him every day, without even noticing it. Essentially every form of sinning is comparable to worshiping Satan in our view.

And I think we are not going to agree on that. You can make it about semantics and start quoting dictionaries, but a dictionary is not the word of God. And semantics are not that useful to debate anyway.

And since Satan is very sneaky, you will perhaps never realize you are in fact worshiping him, so from your point of view we will always be wrong about that.

You already know the other things I could say about this...

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I have been reading some things over and over again and perhaps I figured out what is going wrong here.

Since you mention not being sure about the evolution thing, perhaps we have to admit you might be right on the monkeys. In our experience most atheists believe in evolution, but perhaps you are an exception to that rule.

As to Satan. He is a very sneaky guy. He can make it so that you are worshiping him every day, without even noticing it. Essentially every form of sinning is comparable to worshiping Satan in our view.

And I think we are not going to agree on that. You can make it about semantics and start quoting dictionaries, but a dictionary is not the word of God. And semantics are not that useful to debate anyway.

And since Satan is very sneaky, you will perhaps never realize you are in fact worshiping him, so from your point of view we will always be wrong about that.

You already know the other things I could say about this...

I still believe that I have proven my point well and could go on but I certainly do understand your stance.
I guess that we are going to have to just agree to disagree my friend and I once again thank you for the intelligent, and polite answer.
And in case you are personally curious I am mostly sold on the evolution thing, because it makes sense, and most scientists believe it whom spend their lives using their brains to solve the universes many mysteries, I have not done my own independent research which I would need before fully accepting it. I also have my reasons for not believing in God but that would be for another conversation and it is nothing that would lead to anything we would agree on I am sure.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

I guess that we are going to have to just agree to disagree

Well that is something we can agree on.

I once again thank you for the intelligent, and polite answer

You're welcome.

nothing that would lead to anything we would agree on I am sure

Indeed .

[GOD=life]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

and most scientists believe it whom spend their lives using their brains to solve the universes many mysteries, ...

Appeal to authority fallacy.

Besides, scientists adjust their views all the time.

[A Follower]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

What a nice history lesson thank you for that "A follower" to bad it is pointless to it's meaning today now back to the definition to the word Worship.

You're completely wrong, as usual (except for the part where you thank me for the history lesson, that's appreciated).

The Holy KJV 1611 Bible was written from 1604 to 1611. It uses the word worship with its then accurate meaning. Just because you atheists (in a conspiracy with catlickers) have spent the last 400 years trying to change the meaning of words --just so you can make the Bible mean anything you want-- doesn't mean that the rules God laid down for us in His Holy Word have changed.

[True Disciple]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

1) No I don't hold them in high regard, I personally do not know enough about evolution to say I know 100% for sure that it is true.

Hey, we're actually making some progress! I've got hope for you again.

But I would say that evolutionists in general do not hold them in high regard, but instead just see it as something that happened over the course of millions of years and it happened to be apes that we evolved from.

Then what about all the documentaries about chimpansees learning to use sticks to do things, supposedly "proving" that men descended from monkeys? Evolutionists can't stop talking about chimpansees, in fact. I would say that they're held in high regard.
Furthermore, I agree with Brother Follower, we use the definitions of words as they were in the time God's word was written. This is because the definitions in that age were the best definitions, which we know because otherwise God would have written the Bible in another age.

2)I am sorry to say this but I don't think it's fair to simply throw out the dictionaries, if this were a discussion where the dictionary would prove me wrong then you would defend the heck out of it. (And don't try to deny it !)

If the dictionary would prove you wrong, the dictionary would agree with God, as God disagrees with you (for more information: see the Bible). Therefore, I would defend the dictionary, that's true. But in this case the dictionary disagrees with God, so I attack the dictionary.

3)Lol, it is pretty easy to mistake your nice mood with your bad mood it seems my friend. And I understand that this is not a debate forum nor do I wish to debate so much, but when I have a point about something I would like to make then I wish that you could simply say "Hey he has a point here" instead of just arguing it into the ground and turning it into a debate. (Where then I get infractions when nobody else does )

If you are going to disagree with us, well, of course you'll get a debate then. Don't tell me you didn't see it coming, you can't be that stupid.

Can you?

By the way, your infractions are because of your refusal to listen to us. That's really annoying, you know, we're taking the time to educate you, and you don't even take the time to listen. We, on the other hand, do listen to you, and keep pointing out why you are wrong.

And lastly, no, I am sorry my friend but I have not accepted Jesus. (And you don't need to remind me about the hell thing, I know your stance very very well on that and don't need a constant reminder)

I'm afraid you're a lost cause. Too bad, I was just getting hope for you again. However, Jesus commands us:

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

- Matthew 7:6

And I ask you, after everything that was said in this thread including what is in this post, what makes you think you are still so right about Atheists worshiping the Devil, or Monkeys?

See the numerous posts by me and others attempting to talk some sense into you.

[ThrustingBoy]

Re: Are You an Atheist?

Then what about all the documentaries about chimpansees learning to use sticks to do things, supposedly "proving" that men descended from monkeys? Evolutionists can't stop talking about chimpansees, in fact. I would say that they're held in high regard.

I think I am about to say something you are going to like and can use against Evolutionists so listen carefully
The fact that chimps, apes, or monkeys can learn how to use tools or even some sign language if enough time is spent teaching it does not prove that they are our descendants, but it does prove they they are intelligent enough to learn those things. Just like how a dog can be trained to do things, but evolutionists don't believe we are descendent's of dogs. So if you say that we worship monkeys because we hold them in high regard due to their ability to learn things, then don't forget about dogs, dolphins, whales, many birds, or any of the other animals that can learn things as well because we appreciate their intelligence. In that case your definition of what Atheists worship would have to include all that and not just the Monkeys.

If the dictionary would prove you wrong, the dictionary would agree with God, as God disagrees with you (for more information: see the Bible). Therefore, I would defend the dictionary, that's true. But in this case the dictionary disagrees with God, so I attack the dictionary.

That is very cheap and childish to say, "this doesn't agree with me so I am going to ignore it until it does". Since you have decided to throw out the dictionary because it proves my point over your I now have to ask where it explains the word Worship in the Bible.

And I don't suppose I am going to get that well deserved apology am I?