[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

That was not the question. I don't care what "powers" you think they may or may not possess. Are they, your Church's leaders, connected to the Apostles through succession by the laying of hands? I just want simple verification. Yes or no will again suffice.

Do you WANT to be banned, papist?

This is a CHRISTIAN forum. You are not welcome here.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

That was not the question. I don't care what "powers" you think they may or may not possess. Are they, your Church's leaders, connected to the Apostles through succession by the laying of hands? I just want simple verification. Yes or no will again suffice.

I had already answered yes.

In fact, I had already told you so months ago when you were posting from your previous account, until you got put on moderation and proceeded to create a second account, against the rules of our terms of service, though we kindly allowed you to continue posting in hopes of bringing you to salvation.

Are you really that illiterate?

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

My question was: "Who else bears the right to interpret the Word but those who directly succeed the Apostles? Can your Church connect itself through the laying of hands to the Twelve? Yes or no?"

I had already answered yes.

Heathen Basher then presented a list of links that support his claim.

http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/1811cl_mercer.html

http://www.trailofblood.com/The%20Trail%20Of%20Blood.htm

http://www.reformedreader.org/history/christian/ahob1/ahobp.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=5whFAAAAIAAJ&dq=Lectures+on+Baptist+history++By+William+R.+Williams&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=42PCqa79rT&sig=d59lkJGkEudUKwwIdBeSUnixZc0&hl=en&ei=C0X2SsPvLonWtgPxq-G0CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=&f=false

http://doctrine.landmarkbiblebaptist.net/landmarkers.html

http://www.pbministries.org/History/J.%20R.%20Graves/Old%20Landmarkism/old_landmarkism.htm

http://www.ashcraftpublications.com/

Let's take a look at these then, shall we?

First source: http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/1811cl_mercer.html

"Our reasons, therefore for rejecting baptism by immersion when administered by Pedobaptist ministers are:

I. That they are connected with churches clearly out of the apostolic succession, and therefore clearly out of the apostolic commission."

Second Source: http://www.trailofblood.com
/The%20Tr...Of%20Blood.htm

"Baptists do not believe in Apostolic Succession "

Third Source: http://www.reformedreader.org/histor...hob1/ahobp.htm

No mention of Apostolic Succession or laying of hands.


Fourth Source: http://books.google.com/books?id=5wh...age&q=&f=false

This is an entire book, if you would like to paraphrase the argument or list some specific pages on where the point is majorly conveyed, we can discuss.

Fifth Source: http://doctrine.landmarkbiblebaptist...ndmarkers.html

This Baptist website does advocate Apostolic Succession, which is contrary to what we see above: "Baptists do not believe in Apostolic Succession", and below, "We repudiate the doctrine of Apostolic Succession" (However, this is typical of ecclesiastic communities ). However, there is still no mention of the laying of hands, and no reasoning upon why this particular sect of protestantism is linked to the Apostles.

Sixth Source: http://www.pbministries.org/History/...andmarkism.htm

Chapter X

The Continuity of the Kingdom of Christ.

For the maintenance of the inspiration of the prophets, as well as the divinity of Christ, the Kingdom He set up must never be "broken to pieces," and the church He built must have never been prevailed against by violence or corruption—The true statement of what "Landmarkers" mean by church succession, not "apostolic succession," nor the succession of any particular church or churches, etc.

And again, no mention of the laying of hands.


Seventh Source:

http://www.ashcraftpublications.com/

"Those who oppose "church succession confuse the unthinking, by representing our position to be, that the identical organization which Christ established—the First Church of Judea—has had a continued existence until today; or, that the identical churches planted by the apostles, or, at least, some one of them, has continued until now, and that Baptist ministers are successors of the apostles; in a word, that our position is the old Romish and Episcopal doctrine of apostolic succession...We repudiate the doctrine of apostolic succession; we do not believe they ever had a successor, and, therefore, no one today is preaching under the apostolic commission any more than under that which Christ first gave to John the Baptist."


Heathen Basher it may be quite possible that I simply overlooked something, or that maybe your true argument existed only within the book you linked too, or that perhaps when you advocated that your Church leaders succeed the Apostles by the laying of hands that you didn't exactly mean that... However, I see no support for your claim of Apostolic Succession through the laying of hands from these sources.

Feel free to enlighten me

[Meek and Humble]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I told you, not Apostolic succession as you define it, but we are acting in the spirit of how the Apostles acted, and there have always been Baptists since the beginning of Christianity straight through until today. Nice try though, silly pedophile priest enabler.

Now, do you care to tell me why the Bible tells us few shall be saved, but that the Catholic church is so large?

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

Before I answer your question I have one more on the previous topic.

You support the laying of hands yes? And your claim was indeed that the ministers of your church are successors of Christ through this action.

I understand you idea that they are successors without actually "succeeding" anyone. However, you have not addressed why you advocate the laying of hands, and your sources do not.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

[...]However, you have not addressed why you advocate the laying of hands, and your sources do not.

You're struggling here papist sinner.

The faith of the Baptist supersedes all. This is what being a Christian means. Your outfit is obsessed with a so-called faith that the pagan rituals of a satanic Italian business conglomerate will save you from the fires of Hell - they will NOT!

We know we are correct; you try to show you are right by aping ceremony in a travesty of the Work and Life of Christ and giving vile and pointless gaudy shows that are the imperfect work of man and abominations!

We have faith; you lie and claim powers as if these are the badge of office.
We know we walk in the paths of The Lord; you try and give impressions of His perfect Way of Walking!

Get Thee behind me Satan!

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I'm Back

But this is a very pertinent question. Heathen Basher has made an unsupported claim, saying that your Church is connected to through the laying of hands to the Twelve.

Before changing the subject he must either clarify, support or acknowledge the fallacy in his claim.

[Brother Enoch]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I'm Back

I cannot possibly express the depth of my joy.

Before changing the subject he must either clarify, support or acknowledge the fallacy in his claim.

I'd like you to either clarify, support or acknowledge the fallacy in the claim in your sig that benedict is your Lord and God.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I'm Back

You're no more welcome now than you were before.

By the way, where were you? Off on a crack binge? A secret rendezvous with your local Mary worhiping priest?

Before changing the subject he must either clarify, support or acknowledge the fallacy in his claim.

Look boy, I have told you this before but apparently it hasn't sunk in to your thick papist skull: YOU DO NOT SET THE RULES HERE. This particular corner of the internets is a privately owned Christian forum. The rights you have on this forum are listed HERE. Please contact a Pastor if you feel that any of your rights have been violated.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I was only offering Heather Basher a chance to defend his argument, lest he be ridiculed.

[Lola Handcock]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I was only offering Heather Basher a chance to defend his argument, lest he be ridiculed.

Why do you hate Jesus? You are aware of what the Bible(KJV 1611) says about worshiping false Gods ?

Why do cathreliks insist on praying to the mother of Jesus,and not to Jesus himself ? Why is it that cathreliks worship the Poop,he is but a man? He is Not GOD ?

Why do you cathreliks use candles and incense ? You do know that they attract DEMONS don't you.

Why do you cathreliks allow homersexural priests in your cult ?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

I was only offering Heather Basher a chance to defend his argument, lest he be ridiculed.

True Christians™ like Brother HB have the Holy Spirit to defend them from attacks by demons like you.

If I were you, I'd worry about my own backyard. Kneeling down to statues of Mary is about as ridiculous (and blasphemous) as it gets.

[Sacred Heart]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

Very well.

My claim was that a Church can only be connected to Christ through the laying of hands. HB agreed, but failed to support his claim.

Thereby, the Landover Baptist Church is connected to the apostles and directly connected to Christ.

[Servant of eskimo demons]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

The wonderful book you call the Bible is the Word Of The Lord. The only real account of his laws is held by God, the American institution for the preservation of ancient documents. It is only to be seen by True Christians™as unwashed mongrels fropm iceland would pollute it be merely laying our blind eyes upon them.

And don't go quoting our viking malarkey material as it is of no worth to a man that has seen the light of His Word.

[gby247]

Re: Why is the Bible the ONLY True Word of God?

How was it useless? You asked us to prove that the Bible is the only true Word of God, and we did exactly that. Your stubborn adherence to Satanic lies and "reason" may put you beyond the hope of Salvation, but I'm sure that others will come along, read this topic, discover the Truth contained within, and become Saved. Don't call the Salvation of others "useless" just because you refuse to accept Christ even when He's staring straight into your eyes (which is what happens when you read the Bible).

Hello Virginia, I was reading most of the threads on this topic, I still don't see how anyone has yet to proven to this man who simply asked a simple question how the Bible is the only true word of God, furthermore, your words are harsh, name calling, judging is no way a Christian should be responding, if you or anyone else have truly accepted Christ then you wouldn't be judging a mere question, Satan has ways to show our true colors, if we who believe in one God cannot answer a simple question without becoming hostile or accusing them of being Satanic liars, then we are the ones that need to take a closer look at our lives and begin studying the word of God. For there is no proof that the Bible is the true word of God, faith is blinded, we are guided soley by our faith. We seek and we find, we all know the Torah was revealed to Moses, the Divine scripture was revealed to Abraham, Psalms to David and Gospel to Jesus. As for the rest of the book, it is written by man, therefore it is their narrative stories. It does not proof anything, the Bible is an awesome tool for guiding us to lead a more righteous way, it describes what will happen if you don't, if you take the Quran, it describe even more in detail as to what Heaven and Hell has in store for those to rebel or lead a righteous life. These four Prophets are the main source that were given the divine word of God by God himself, and then we have the last prophet Muhammed who is ascended from Ishamail the first son of Abraham whom everyone seems to have forgotten. But see God never forgot Ishamail, so God the all loving and all knowing creator of us all, sent a messenger for each nation and even so, look how each prophet was treated, mistreated especially Jesus, who is indeed the Messiah, born without sin and died without sin and at the end we will all be judged individually for our own sin, judge not or be judged.