[Bobby-Joe]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

Yes Bobby-Joe, but ---!

Remember that I believe God and Heaven are outside the natural universe. This means logically that everything within the fabric of space-time which we call the Universe is natural, that it formed naturally, that it evolved, that is is dynamic and expanding in the dimension of time.

So you more of that Neo-Platonic thing; the perfect God can not exist in this imperfect world.

But I still don’t see why you would have a problem with The Bible account of creation even with this (false) belief of your’s; Christian scientist have show how the Biblical account is plausible. One certainly has to be cautious with the secular science explanation since all secular scientists are atheists and therefore prone to lie out of sheer viciousness of human nature when unrestricted by the gentling touch of Christianity.

Therefore, following this logic, nothing that is unnatural or supernatural can exist within the dimensional framework of our physical universe.

Really? Doesn’t that squelch the whole soul thing?

Did I also get that right that you believe The Bible is a human explanation of God and not divinely inspired?

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

Okay Sister MM, I've read these articles, and I'm certainly informed of the gay crisis tearing our Church to shreds. It's frustrating that I can no longer have a formal say in the matter representing our local parish, since my term on vestry was up last year. Have you read a few of my posts elsewhere on the board Mary Maria, I have said that I'm personally against homosexuality and the gay lifestyle. Very against it.

Well, it's good to know that the Negra "missionaries" (seriously, what's next, are towel-head mudslimes going to start sending their armies here to "liberate" us and effect "regime change", because we won't bother hiding our WMDs!) are having a somewhat positive effect on you.
Just try not to touch any of them, because most Africans have AIDS and we don't want you to be infected in your current unSaved state. Though who knows, maybe that would be just the boost you need to welcome Jesus into your life!

[Sister Noddy]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

So you more of that Neo-Platonic thing; the perfect God can not exist in this imperfect world.

But I still don’t see why you would have a problem with The Bible account of creation even with this (false) belief of your’s; Christian scientist have show how the Biblical account is plausible. One certainly has to be cautious with the secular science explanation since all secular scientists are atheists and therefore prone to lie out of sheer viciousness of human nature when unrestricted by the gentling touch of Christianity.

Really? Doesn’t that squelch the whole soul thing?

Did I also get that right that you believe The Bible is a human explanation of God and not divinely inspired?

Answers for you, Bobby-Joe ... my own, not necessarily those of my church ...

1) the perfect God can not exist in this imperfect world?

I see God as having been outside the physical reality before time began, as creating the universe suddenly by His Word. By His command all things came to be; the vast expanse of interstellar space, galaxies, suns, the planets in their courses, and this fragile earth, our island home.

I see Him as having set it in motion, having designed it to evolve over time (billions of years of time) with the properties modern science has now discovered in the cosmos and in nature.

I see all macroevolution from the beginning of the universe as a progression according to His divine plan, leading to biological life on this planet, and ultimately human beings, and the human soul.

2) I don't see the creation account of Genesis as false, I see it as a simplified version of what actually happened; true, but in story form.

3) There is nothing 'supernatural' in nature, there are only things we don't yet understand. God is out there, God in also here and in the human heart, and he is real, and yes we do have souls: in His image.

4) I see the Bible as written by human beings who were divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit.

[Sister Noddy]

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Well, it's good to know that the Negra "missionaries" (seriously, what's next, are towel-head mudslimes going to start sending their armies here to "liberate" us and effect "regime change", because we won't bother hiding our WMDs!) are having a somewhat positive effect on you.

Just try not to touch any of them, because most Africans have AIDS and we don't want you to be infected in your current unSaved state. Though who knows, maybe that would be just the boost you need to welcome Jesus into your life!

Hmmm Sister Mary Maria, there are no African Anglican missionaries coming up here to our Diocese to liberate our Episcopal Church from the gay issue. The E Church of the USA is dealing with it through the Lambeth Conferences. Here's hoping for a solution, lest we are forced into the schizm, or even forced to spit with the worldwide Anglican Communion as a whole.

... blessings, noddy

[Joe the Atheist]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

I would simply ask God to forgive me and save me.

This God of yours is supposed to be merciful, so if my cries for forgiveness and salvation were heartfelt and sincere, it would save me if it could.

This God of yours is supposed to be all-powerful, so rescuing a person from Hell shouldn't be any more difficult for it than snapping its divine fingers.

--Joe

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

I would simply ask God to forgive me and save me.

After a lifetime of rejecting His offer of Salvation(r), you're going to repent after the fact. Ahhhh that's rich! I look forward to seeing Him punt your sorry hiney into Hell as you fall to your knees to bed for your soul

This God of yours is supposed to be merciful, so if my cries for forgiveness and salvation were heartfelt and sincere, it would save me if it could.

He is indeed merciful, and has given you an entire lifetime to repent from your sinful nature and turn to Him for Salvation(r). Why can't you accept it??? Once you're dead, it's too late!

This God of yours is supposed to be all-powerful, so rescuing a person from Hell shouldn't be any more difficult for it than snapping its divine fingers.

--Joe

Why would He want to Save(tm) you though? Surely if you've spent a lifetime rejecting Him, He's not going to have much of a liking for you.

Joe, you disappoint me. You spoke of being intelligent and such in your first post, and now this. You are letting me (and Jesus) down immensely. I fear for your soul.

[Joe the Atheist]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

I simply don't believe that this God of yours exists. The whole concept just doesn't make any sense to me. If this God of your is, in fact, real, then it should know what it would take to allow me to believe in it.

Since this hasn't happened, then if your God exists, it must not want me to believe in it. Then what we have here is more of a case of it rejecting me than me rejecting it.

This Hell of yours sounds like a pretty nasty place. If I thought there was a chance in Hell that it was real, I would do whatever I needed to do to stay out of it.

--Joe

[Sister Noddy]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

I simply don't believe that this God of yours exists. The whole concept just doesn't make any sense to me. If this God of your is, in fact, real, then it should know what it would take to allow me to believe in it.

Since this hasn't happened, then if your God exists, it must not want me to believe in it. Then what we have here is more of a case of it rejecting me than me rejecting it.

This Hell of yours sounds like a pretty nasty place. If I thought there was a chance in Hell that it was real, I would do whatever I needed to do to stay out of it.

--Joe

There is no such place as hell, it's a myth. Christianity was built on symbolism and the magnificent literature of ancient holy men.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

even forced to spit with the worldwide Anglican Communion as a whole.

The worldwide Anglican Community spit as a whole? I don't even want to think about what's going on there.

I would simply ask God to forgive me and save me.

This God of yours is supposed to be merciful, so if my cries for forgiveness and salvation were heartfelt and sincere, it would save me if it could.

Have you READ the Book of Job? Did that seem merciful to you? What about when he hardened Pharoah's heart, just so He'd have an excuse to show off His awesome baby-killin' skills? Rest assured, the sufferings of Job will be as nothing compared to the sufferings of Joe if you don't knock this sinful 'atheology' nonsense on the head quick-sharp!

Christianity was built on symbolism and the magnificent literature of ancient holy men.

And I ask you again: the Resurrection of Christ - symbolic or real? The Virgin Birth - Divine Truth or 2000-year-old shaggy dog story?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

I would simply ask God to forgive me and save me.

This God of yours is supposed to be merciful, so if my cries for forgiveness and salvation were heartfelt and sincere, it would save me if it could.

This God of yours is supposed to be all-powerful, so rescuing a person from Hell shouldn't be any more difficult for it than snapping its divine fingers.

--Joe

Friend,

It is an interesting idea friend but the problem is you say you are an atheist. Now as an atheist you only believe in things you can see. God is not Hell friend so you still wouldn’t believe in Him so you couldn’t ask for His help.

You see God has closed these little loop holes in His Plan® along time ago.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

I see all macroevolution from the beginning of the universe as a progression according to His divine plan, leading to biological life on this planet, and ultimately human beings, and the human soul.

I don't follow you on this. Souls by definition are supernatural since they exist were God is. Nobody has been ever able to detect them (Dr Ville almost had poof but he thinks his experiment failed because he was using Mexicans as test subjects) For a soul to exist it has to have a presence of some kind in this world. Since we all know we have souls the rest of it with demons and angles running around has to be true.

I mean without demons how do you explain Hillary Clinton?

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

I would simply ask God to forgive me and save me.

This God of yours is supposed to be merciful, so if my cries for forgiveness and salvation were heartfelt and sincere, it would save me if it could.

This God of yours is supposed to be all-powerful, so rescuing a person from Hell shouldn't be any more difficult for it than snapping its divine fingers.

--Joe

Hello again Joe. I have prayed to Jesus every day that He would use His omnipotent powers to make you accept Him as your personal Saviour and let Him into your heart.

Hurry up now, Joe, and accept Jesus. Sooner or later, Jesus will have to kill you, and if you die in your sins (John 8:24) Jesus will be forced to torture you for ever and ever.

[Joe the Atheist]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

Hello again Joe. I have prayed to Jesus every day that He would use His omnipotent powers to make you accept Him as your personal Saviour and let Him into your heart.

By all means, keep it up! If this God of yours is real, that ought eventually to do the trick.

However, he doesn't need to force me to accept him -- a bona fide miracle will suffice. How about praying that the soldiers coming home from Iraq with amputated limbs all regrow whatever they lost overnight. That should be a simple task for an somebody with omnipotent powers.

If your God does that, I (and probably every other atheist in the world) will convert tomorrow.

--Joe

[Seeker]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

By all means, keep it up! If this God of yours is real, that ought eventually to do the trick.

However, he doesn't need to force me to accept him -- a bona fide miracle will suffice. How about praying that the soldiers coming home from Iraq with amputated limbs all regrow whatever they lost overnight. That should be a simple task for an somebody with omnipotent powers.

If your God does that, I (and probably every other atheist in the world) will convert tomorrow.

--Joe

Are you just a freakin idiot atheist or what??? Don't you know that God is for war? Don't you know that all them men that served, lost their lost, families, and limbs, God uses it for his glory! Amen that is right! That means they can seek and ask, but only whom he wishes to save he will because he is God. God gets the last say not some athiest ramblin.

If you even took the time to read your bible you might not be here saying ignorant stuff. But welcome anyway. We love the unsaved!

[Joe the Atheist]

Re: How will the unsaved react to being tossed into the Lake of F

That means they can seek and ask, but only whom he wishes to save he will because he is God.

How about just one, then? People only seem to pray for things that have a good chance of happening on their own without divine intervention, like getting a new job or cancer going into remission. Nobody ever expects God to answer a prayer to regrow limbs or bring a dead person back to life.

I suppose I was being greedy and selfish by wanting all of the soldiers to be healed.

--Joe