[ramakandra2]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Go back to the brimfire from which you were banished to, Enemy of God.

who gave you gods job? he can judge, but not you, remember? its in the bible! like it or not though, but i live on the same earth you though and im not going anywhere near hell, considering it (like god) belongs to the realm of fantasy!

@immolation (or w/e) so far christians are the only group of humans who claim foresight over the centuries (but always for some strange reason) in hindsight. no need to argue, because i know from experience that atheists try to achieve as much as they can for this life, their children and their friends (yea yea i know, the whole world hates atheists, blahdiblahdiblah).

im my personnal opnion atheists also do a better job at helping the world and people around us. as atheists (again, seriously how long does it take for a point to sink in with you guys??) make no distinctions except between characters. ergo, if someoene kills, steals, or is arrogant, judgemental, etc. we will want to punish them accordingly.

christians however feel the need to punish when someone believes something christians do not, or because they like a drink, or when theyre gay, or... i could go on and on (you know as well as me that i could).

[BelieverInGod]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

who gave you gods job? he can judge, but not you, remember? its in the bible! like it or not though, but i live on the same earth you though and im not going anywhere near hell, considering it (like god) belongs to the realm of fantasy!

You know, I was going to post Bible verses that show that we are commanded to Judge others, but did you just complain that we're not allowed to judge because it's God's job, then say God doesn't exist? Which one is it sunshine? You can't have it both ways.

@immolation (or w/e) so far christians are the only group of humans who claim foresight over the centuries (but always for some strange reason) in hindsight. no need to argue, because i know from experience that atheists try to achieve as much as they can for this life, their children and their friends (yea yea i know, the whole world hates atheists, blahdiblahdiblah).

What? blahdiblahdiblah is right, that made absolutely no sense whatsoever.

im my personnal opnion atheists also do a better job at helping the world and people around us. as atheists (again, seriously how long does it take for a point to sink in with you guys??) make no distinctions except between characters. ergo, if someoene kills, steals, or is arrogant, judgemental, etc. we will want to punish them accordingly.

By joining Christian sites and harassing them? Oh and aren't you being rather arrogant and judgmental? What punishment do you feel you deserve?

christians however feel the need to punish when someone believes something christians do not, or because they like a drink, or when theyre gay, or... i could go on and on (you know as well as me that i could).

Just who barged into who's website and started doling out the garbage about how superior she is to everyone here? Did we bust into your "my little pony" fantasy site? No you came onto a Christian site and got upset because **shock** THERE'S CHRISTIANS HERE! Who would have thunk it!

[wait_what]

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i have no reason to lie about this. the way you put your arguements forward shows you clearly havent had an objective eduction. as such i wont even go near that quagmire!

An objective education is not one controlled by liberal atheists. So, tell me what would you define as objective? Forcing gay history on students? Making 10 year olds watch pornography in "health" class? This is your objective education. Sad to see that they did not teach you grammar rules at your "objective" school.

the lord is imaginary, otherwise he would have sent a clear sign he is reall, simply to be done with all the disbelievers. but it seems however that god rather wants humans to go against his suposed will. as such he cant be reall.

There is a clear sign. Look to the North in the night sky. It has been there for about 2011 years ever since he put it there. He sent His Son. And if you would shut off your pride and listen, the Spirit will testify of Him to you.

i cant help but notice you forgot number 3, the reason i wont dignify it is because i know how thick skulled christians like yourself are and no matter how hard i tried to tell you how it works, you would never accept it. your doing it even now im not going into it.

Number 3 is there. Again, shut off that ignorant pride of yours and listen.

its not the direct word of god, it did not fall from heaven. it was written over the decades by people and clearly shows their own perspective. any human not seeing this must surely be blind. furthermore, every empire constructed so far crumbled, so far Rome is still the longest lasting empire, boeasting a history at least 10 times longer then any christian gocernment. so your points are pretty moot, sad and weak.

What are you saying here exactly? Has Sister Mary Juana been teaching you to spell? Empires do not exist anymore bright guy. America is a sovereign nation, and we have been against all odds throughout our history. Rome had advantages through its time. We had God on our side to overthrow every would be conqueror and oppressor. Go read some more history little guy.

i can and do know what love is, far better then any theist ever could, because again; i do not make distinction between colour, creed, location, origin, etc. i know for a fact christian are hate mongerers against everyone who isnt EXACTLY like them.

So, since you love everybody and make no distinction, how can you know what love is? You have no frame of reference. Without hate there cannot be love. Much like without cold, there is no reference for hot, you cannot know love without Christ and being able to feel the whole range of emotions.

it never ceases to amaze me that christians can claim to hold a higher love for humanity, when you guys so clearly do not!

Do you have scripture or any real reference to back this slanderous claim up, or is this just diarrhea of the keyboard?

civilizations come and go, thats the way of the world dear, learn to deal with it or dont. but do not make ridiculous statements, i can only laugh at the point you made here.

I suggest you take your own advice. I have yet to see a post of yours that is NOT a ridiculous statement. America is God's chosen land. That's all there is to it.

you wouldnt understand if i explained the physics behind the big bang anyway, so why should i take the effort? especially knowing youll just throw biblical verses at it anyway.

This is simple, God brought everything together, clapped His hands, and Bang! Here we are having this intellectual discussion that you are losing.

my very DNA doesnt allow me to lie.

DNA? Have you seen it with your own eyes, or is this an atheist lie that you accept on faith? Colorful hand drawn pictures do not count either. You have to have first hand account, otherwise I will hold you in contempt for practicing faith which you claim not to have any of. Your statement is a paradoxical lie.

all theists claim their religion is the true faith, yet they are blind to the similarities with other religions. at any rate, i do not need a book or imaginary friend to tell me what is right and what is wrong. i have brains enough to figure that out on my own thank you very much.

I think you might want to reconsider whether or not you have enough brains. I would not step out into the cold mean world on my own if I were you. You have shown your ineptness in this forum to a degree of any other spasticated downs syndrome child would. Man your parents must have been incredibly sinful.

by all means though, dont let me stop you from becoming a better person through god though. i'd rather have you in church then the mental hospital or jail where you belong!

So, you are saying that due to your atheist morals, you would have criminally insane people run about in public? Thank goodness we are not criminally insane. I would have you locked up in a heartbeat. If nothing else you are a danger to yourself, and most likely to those around you.

its your loss you cant take this seriously, not mine.

No, it is your loss that you cannot accept Christ as your savior. We will inherit the kingdom eternal. You on the other hand will wallow through this life with no comfort and end up in eternal suffering as the direct consequence of your choices.

[awesomesauceSeth]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

#9 Any religion younger than Christianity is just a copy of Christianity.[/b]
Since Christianity is the Gold standard of morality all other religions just copy Christian doctrine like Islam. Atheism is younger than Christianity therefor Atheism is a mockery of Christianity.

#10 Only Christianity has ever had the idea of an eternal, infinite creator God.
No one, not the Egyptians, the Meso-Americans or even the Sumerians has a infinite God. Even Atheism doesn't have an infinite creator God.
[/INDENT]
I await your rebuttals to my points Atheists.

As for point nine, what your telling me is that Christianity is just a copy of the Jewish/Hebrew religion. Seeing how the Hebrews are G-D's chosen people clearly stated in the bible many times.

So in fact point ten is wrongly stated, saying that Christianity is the only believers of one infinite creator. It is the second religion to begin believing this theory.


So therefore Christianity is just a mockery of Jewish religion.

[TouchingLittleBoys]

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As for point nine, what your telling me is that Christianity is just a copy of the Jewish/Hebrew religion. Seeing how the Hebrews are G-D's chosen people clearly stated in the bible many times.

So in fact point ten is wrongly stated, saying that Christianity is the only believers of one infinite creator. It is the second religion to begin believing this theory.


So therefore Christianity is just a mockery of Jewish religion.

+rep? :carling: Damn!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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As for point nine, what your telling me is that Christianity is just a copy of the Jewish/Hebrew religion. Seeing how the Hebrews are G-D's chosen people clearly stated in the bible many times.

Jesus was always there.John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” So Christianity was always there. The Joos chose to ignore Jesus (and He's not happy!)

So in fact point ten is wrongly stated, saying that Christianity is the only believers of one infinite creator. It is the second religion to begin believing this theory.

Joos don't have a religion. They cannot accept that there is one God - God The Father, God the Son and God The Holy Spirit - see! Just one God.

So therefore Christianity is just a mockery of Jewish religion.

How many times must I say it? The Jews don't have a religion; they have a racist social grouping that performs weird rituals and fails to seek Salvation through Christ Jesus.

[awesomesauceSeth]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Jesus was always there.John 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” So Christianity was always there. The Joos chose to ignore Jesus (and He's not happy!)Joos don't have a religion. They cannot accept that there is one God - God The Father, God the Son and God The Holy Spirit - see! Just one God.How many times must I say it? The Jews don't have a religion; they have a racist social grouping that performs weird rituals and fails to seek Salvation through Christ Jesus.

from reading everything that you have written and in the racial slurring form you have written it, i see that you really aren't Christian. It is unbecoming of a Christian to be so hateful. now if you really were about Christianity you would love your fellow men for which ever reason.

It is spelled Jew, not joos, you should get a spell checker.

as for what Jesus said unto john. Jesus was born Jewish. In many texts about the history of Christianity, say that His father was the Hebrew's g-d.

On any Jewish forum i have never seen this much hate towards anyone else. It is ridiculous, to hate is a sin. "he who judges be judged"- you probably won't have anything to look forward to when you go see the big man up stairs. By claiming that all the other religions are just cults it makes you look more of a fool than all the others.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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from reading everything that you have written and in the racial slurring form you have written it, i see that you really aren't Christian. It is unbecoming of a Christian to be so hateful. now if you really were about Christianity you would love your fellow men for which ever reason.

Chapter and verse please. Scripture or it didn't happen

as for what Jesus said unto john. Jesus was born Jewish. In many texts about the history of Christianity, say that His father was the Hebrew's g-d.

At some point Jesus became scared of death at the hands of the Joos, because as John tells us:

John 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

On any Jewish forum i have never seen this much hate towards anyone else.

Then, why not convert to Jewry and see how they treat you compared to those born into it?

It is ridiculous, to hate is a sin.

We don't hate anyone. We are merely attempting to save souls here. It is God who hates.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Proverbs 15:8-9,26 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.
The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.

Proverbs 16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Deuteronomy 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth.

Revelation 2:6; 15 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

"he who judges be judged"-

That's only if the judgment is done hypocritically. Seriously, try reading past Matthew 7:1 and John 3:16.

[Two-Dollar Bill]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

from reading everything that you have written and in the racial slurring form you have written it, i see that you really aren't Christian. It is unbecoming of a Christian to be so hateful. now if you really were about Christianity you would love your fellow men for which ever reason.

It is spelled Jew, not joos, you should get a spell checker.

as for what Jesus said unto john. Jesus was born Jewish. In many texts about the history of Christianity, say that His father was the Hebrew's g-d.

On any Jewish forum i have never seen this much hate towards anyone else. It is ridiculous, to hate is a sin. "he who judges be judged"- you probably won't have anything to look forward to when you go see the big man up stairs. By claiming that all the other religions are just cults it makes you look more of a fool than all the others.

Son, it must be nice to be so falsely serene in your assurance of a nice fluffy bunny God that only believes in love and happiness. Unfortunately, if you've actually read the Bible, it is pretty obvious that this is not so. He is a vengeful and jealous God. Sinners are smote and non-believers punished.

I don't think any of us True Christians™ will appear trembling or wavering in front of the Lord when the time comes. We follow the Bible to the word, the good stuff and the bad stuff, we don't just pick and choose the parts that make us feel better about ourselves.

The irony here is that you've more or less come here to spread your hate upon us. To ridicule and to point fingers. Maybe you should take a long look at yourself before casting your negativity upon the good people of this forum.

[awesomesauceSeth]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

Chapter and verse please. Scripture or it didn't happen



At some point Jesus became scared of death at the hands of the Joos, because as John tells us:

John 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.



Then, why not convert to Jewry and see how they treat you compared to those born into it?


We don't hate anyone. We are merely attempting to save souls here. It is God who hates.

Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Proverbs 15:8-9,26 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright is his delight.
The way of the wicked is an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness.
The thoughts of the wicked are an abomination to the LORD: but the words of the pure are pleasant words.

Proverbs 16:5 Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.

Isaiah 1:13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

Amos 5:21 I hate, I despise your feast days, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies.

Deuteronomy 16:22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth.

Revelation 2:6; 15 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.


That's only if the judgment is done hypocritically. Seriously, try reading past Matthew 7:1 and John 3:16.

I am Jewish, a convert and I have never been treated without equality. I never read after the old testament because i do not believe in the lies of men. I listened to my rabbi when told that Jesus is the false messiah, a man that was born Jewish and died a Nazarite.

Son, it must be nice to be so falsely serene in your assurance of a nice fluffy bunny God that only believes in love and happiness. Unfortunately, if you've actually read the Bible, it is pretty obvious that this is not so. He is a vengeful and jealous God. Sinners are smote and non-believers punished.

I don't think any of us True Christians™ will appear trembling or wavering in front of the Lord when the time comes. We follow the Bible to the word, the good stuff and the bad stuff, we don't just pick and choose the parts that make us feel better about ourselves.

The irony here is that you've more or less come here to spread your hate upon us. To ridicule and to point fingers. Maybe you should take a long look at yourself before casting your negativity upon the good people of this forum.

There is no fluffy bunny g-d. If there was alot of things would be different now wouldn't there? I shouldn't have to state the obviousness of how powerful and merciful G-d is, especially to someone who thinks of themself as such a scholar of all religions (seeing how thats what every user here thinks of themselves).

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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I am Jewish, a convert and I have never been treated without equality.

A convert who happens to be named Seth. Not likely. You were likely born into it.

I never read after the old testament because i do not believe in the lies of men. I listened to my rabbi when told that Jesus is the false messiah, a man that was born Jewish and died a Nazarite.

Did he tell you the Talmudic view that Jesus is boiling in semen for all eternity?

[awesomesauceSeth]

Re: Ten points that CRUSH Atheism

A convert who happens to be named Seth. Not likely. You were likely born into it.



Did he tell you the Talmudic view that Jesus is boiling in semen for all eternity?

I am defiantly a convert. No, I was not told about that, I was just told that he was a liar.

And as to what you said about jesus being scared of the Jews, maybe he shouldn't have broke the sabbath:
John5:16 "and therefore the Jews did persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day"

i dug around my library and found a copy of my wifes king james bible. Just to look about in it. I can't be ignorant to not do so.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

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And as to what you said about jesus being scared of the Jews, maybe he shouldn't have broke the sabbath:
John5:16 "and therefore the Jews did persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day"

Jesus broke the Sabbath many times and broke Jewish traditions to make a point.

Here Jesus points out how David broke the sabbath as well.

Mark 2:23-28 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Here Jesus mocks the Pharisees for not following their own laws about stoning rebellious children.

Matthew 15:2-6 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Here Jesus heals a man on the sabbath and basically dares the Pharisees to do anything about it.

Mark 3:1-6 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand. And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.

i dug around my library and found a copy of my wifes king james bible. Just to look about in it. I can't be ignorant to not do so.

That's the spirit.

[wait_what]

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I am defiantly a convert. No, I was not told about that, I was just told that he was a liar.

And as to what you said about jesus being scared of the Jews, maybe he shouldn't have broke the sabbath:
John5:16 "and therefore the Jews did persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day"

i dug around my library and found a copy of my wifes king james bible. Just to look about in it. I can't be ignorant to not do so.

How does one defiantly convert? What happened to a broken heart and a contrite spirit?

Psalms 34:18

18The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and asaveth such as be bof a contrite spirit.



Isaiah 57:15

15For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth aeternity, whose name is bHoly; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a ccontrite and dhumble spirit, to erevive the spirit of the fhumble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.


"I can't be ignorant to not do so." - wait, what?

[awesomesauceSeth]

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How does one defiantly convert? What happened to a broken heart and a contrite spirit?

Psalms 34:18

18The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and asaveth such as be bof a contrite spirit.



Isaiah 57:15

15For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth aeternity, whose name is bHoly; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a ccontrite and dhumble spirit, to erevive the spirit of the fhumble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.


"I can't be ignorant to not do so." - wait, what?

if I were to stand by anything i say i might as read up on what i'm trying to denounce shouldn't I? ignorance may be bliss, but it is also a sin to be ignorant. Your ideologies fall upon deafened ears, you have proven nothing to me that you are capable of only typo's.

I do not have to explain what i have chosen and the way that i see things, is most likely something totally incapable of you to do.

like me talking about sin, or yourself, If you truly believe all that jesus had done, there is no longer such thing as a sin. There is nothing you can do wrong. I don't have to provide scripture because if you think about it long and hard enough you might come to this realization also.

After being nailed to a cross, taking all the blame for all the sins to have been committed and that will be committed. Jesus made it so we were actually and truly spiritually free.

Sort of a hypocritical system then right? Because people still say you can sin, but how could you if Jesus with through all that hard shit?

In the end I know I've made the right choice and i'm grateful to be learning about the Nazareth way of things. My final choice of religion, because in the end Jesus was no longer Jewish and stopped being a Christian, to die a Nazarite.

Sounds like a great idea to me =D